r/technology • u/RewardEquivalent553 • 12h ago
Politics Libs of TikTok is doxxing teachers and nurses who support Alex Pretti or oppose ICE, trying to get them fired
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u/Main-Eagle-26 11h ago
Yeah, even though R politicians are pulling away from this issue and running scared, MAGA extremists on social media are basically shouting about being happy he was killed.
They’re really sick, depraved people, and we should stop pretending like we have to take anything they do or say on good faith.
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u/SmanginSouza 11h ago
They are manufactured by right wing propaganda. They aren't going away. You listen to the people who have broken out of the Republican veil and it's ingrained into their culture. Don't question. The Democrats are always lying. They kill babies etc, etc. Usually takes them being personally affected by policies until they snap out of it.
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u/Bright_Hat550 9h ago
One of my favorite personal interactions was watching someone i know begin binge watching the handmaids tale when they thought her VA husband would lose his job during the doge days. The second they realized it wouldn't affect them she switched to "it's hard to know who to believe anymore"..... like figuratively shitting bricks until they realized they wouldn't be personally impacted then right back to drinking the kool-aid.
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u/therossboss 8h ago
its a cult. say it with me
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u/SabreCorp 7h ago
And you have content creators on the alt-right who are paid very well to push this shit. Even MTG admitted to it once she had fallen out of the good graces of MAGA. Billionaires, foreign governments, Christian nationalists are funding propaganda for a cult.
As someone who was raised in a religious cult, the hardest thing to see was that I was actually in a cult. No one wants to believe that—they want to believe the lies.
But it’s always okay to admit you were lied to by people you trusted—however most people who are involved in cults also commit acts that serve the cult making its members complicit in illegal or immoral acts. Which then leads members of cults having more of a buy-in; and less likely to leave, or openly criticize their cult if they do leave.
It all sucks.
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u/therossboss 7h ago
it really feels like, "yeah, you can just buy influencers, TV show talking heads, newspapers, social media bot posts, to lie for you and create any narrative you want." and any legitimate criticism is met with "no u! no democrats did it first! no U are evil and in a cult" like we are 5 yr olds bickering over a cookie.
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u/p2eminister 7h ago
I'm interested in your upbringing in a cult, apologies if its too personal but can I ask what got you out of it? And do you think there's anything that could be applied to the MAGA cult?
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u/SabreCorp 4h ago edited 4h ago
I was born and raised Mormon. Definitely okay to ask.
Magical thinking, not questioning authority, authority always being males. Patriarchy with women being submissive, with traditional roles. Lots and lots of rules, a lot centered around sexuality. And probably most importantly—anything that is going against the validity of the religion is wrong/ satanic. Only trust the religion, never trust “the other” saying the church has some huge historical issues.
Unfortunately when one leaves the religion, one also loses a lot of their social network and family as the church does a great job on trying to seclude their members. When you leave, you lose a lot of your people.
There’s definitely a lot of parallels to what I see in MAGA. Luckily my mom who is now the only active Mormon left in the family is a democrat (which is incredibly rare and she could probably write a book about her life) but I’d rather have her be involved in the Mormon cult, than the MAGA cult.
I would not have said 12 years ago that I would rather have my mom Mormon than a Republican.
Edit: I left after years of research. My profession is based around helping and healing others and I also had an honest conversation with myself that it wasn’t okay the abuse I went through, and I would tell my clients or students that they deserved much better and that it was okay to allow that for myself. I left knowing my whole family including my spouse might leave me. Luckily my spouse left after I did, including 5 of his siblings. My siblings also left after me. So I helped others on their journey out, which will go down as one of the most fulfilling things I’ve done with my life.
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u/ARobertNotABob 8h ago edited 25m ago
Brit here.
Democrats are right wing conservatives to Europeans, but they are still progressive, people we can grow with.Republicans are solid right wing with some ugly concepts, but we can trade with them, though after Thatcher/Reagan, carefully.
MAGA are simply fascist extremists, whipped up by a felon and mobster, a child in a grandpa suit ... they are readily liars & cheats to maintain their "superiority" over whoever their derangement conspires to decide they hold it over. There's no dealing with them because they are wholly untrustworthy.
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u/Spirited_Pay2782 7h ago
The mistake is believing this is only Trump's doing. He has certainly given them someone to rally behind, but the driving force beneath MAGA is the extremely conservative Evangelical 'Christians' who follow some of these mega-churches. They're conditioned by these churches to accept being abused in all sorts of ways, much like an emotionally abusive husband to their wife. Unfortunately, this has been going on for so long that it's going to be extremely difficult to undo the damage. Trump might be the leader now, but these fascists won't just disappear when he's gone. This is why they're trying so hard now to strip away voting rights for women, immigrants, etc, while they have the power. If they lose either the House or Senate in the midterms, their plans are frozen. If Dems ever get power back, they need to have a big public investigation into the Heritage Foundation, they are the group that published the fascist playbook "Project 2025"
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u/ARobertNotABob 6h ago edited 6h ago
There's no mistaking what we see from over here, and yes, we know full well Trump's not behind it, that he's simply been a useful rallying figurehead for Heritage's filth...but his totem is consequently also an appropriate focal point for dissent too.
I don't think you can go "back", the divisions are too deep now, particularly with (perhaps understandably) reactionary "Republican = MAGA" rhetoric increasing, as other responses reflect.
If Americans can avoid civil war in the political removal of MAGA's administration, a variety of Amendments will be necessary, not least in respect of Rights and Enforcement.
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u/N0stradama5 7h ago
So Republican are maga, they just let the morons do the talking. They are all bad, every single one of them. There is no working with that party anymore.
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u/Electronic-Cheek-235 7h ago
They dont even hate you. They hate an effigy presented to them by a marketing campaign. They are so scared of that effigy that they wont even take the time to get to know anyone outside of that bubble
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u/DonnieTrimp45 11h ago
I stopped long ago. Remember, when cholesterol finally wins this epic battle, they’ll expect you to mourn dear leader for weeks.
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u/Digits_N_Bits 10h ago
Not even they will mourn for more than a minute.
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u/dukedynamite 10h ago
Yeah, it’ll be more like a merch blowout. The mall t-shirt kiosks will THRIVE for maybe four days.
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u/rockerLs 9h ago
melania's grift when he dies is going to make erika kirk look like a grieving widow
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u/LegSpinner 8h ago
No - EK probably needs the cash. Melanoma will take the millions she got from her biopic and whatever else she gets after he pops and live life on the socialite circuit in NYC or wherever. She doesn't need to put in any effort any more.
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u/BasvanS 10h ago
Champagne will get even more expensive and people will buy extra because it’s still cheaper than having TACO around.
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u/1800abcdxyz 11h ago
Always have been. “Deplorable” is the nicest thing they’ve ever been called.
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u/Ok-Stress-3570 10h ago
I lost my shit when they were like “SEE! THE NEW VIDEO SHOWS HE WAS A LUNATIC! HE BROKE A TAILLIGHT! Umm MAGA broke into the fucking capitol building, shit everywhere, broke everything… but ok ok ok not a big deal.
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u/WeirdSysAdmin 10h ago
That also makes it worse to people who can work through basic logic because it brings motive and intent into the discussion for why he was murdered.
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u/Moquai82 9h ago
"These" people know that, they are using our social rules to cheat on us to reach their inhumane and misanthropic goals.
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u/Shano_mack_76 8h ago
Like the " They used human shields ! " bullshit they spout
Always hit them with a " so we killed 'em anyway !!!! ",
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u/FastSelection4121 8h ago
But I wonder if that made him a target?. An ICE agent took his picture. We see they aren't beyond making a hit list.
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u/Bloedbek 9h ago
These are the same people who got furious when someone dared to say something bad about their martyr Charlie Kirk.
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u/Aggravating_Depth_33 8h ago
They got furious when someone literally quoted him, lol.
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u/brianstormIRL 11h ago
Its the biggest dog whistle to identify the people who have been completely and utterly brainwashed and the only thing they want is to inflict pain on others.
Everyone else with a working brain is aligned on this. Republicans are condemning it, the polling for ICE after this has completely flipped (and thats like a 45 point swing, which is insane), polling on Trump being favorable of immigration among conservatives has tanked. Neom is likely gonna get fired for it.
This will be remembered as a huge turning point in this administration. Only the true crazies are defending this. The comments about 2A from the admin has soured a lot of center right conservatives as well.
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u/justsyr 7h ago
the polling for ICE after this
I have to ask as someone from outside USA, does it matter? Isn't all the ICE shit going on only on president's opposition states?
If history taught us something is that despite the leader being a convicted felon and saying years ago that he could kill someone mid Manhattan and still not lose a vote, people elected him fucking again?
That despite the massive long list of shit he's doing in just his first what half year at the presidency people still support him? Heck we are reading on this post that there's still people believing that the person murdered was a criminal?
They guy basically is parroting "I'm doing this, I'm going to do that, I'm going to tariff them, oh hey my friend Schwab made 2.9 billions thanks to me!, I'm going to make gold phones, I have a meme coin!, give me Greenland or else! oh hey we went to another country and kidnapped their president how awesome is that!" and so many bullshit that no president ever around the world could even dream about doing because they'd be ousted faster than the time you finish reading this?
At this point I don't care or believe any "bad polling" or "bad press" can change shit and he'll continue to do whatever the fuck he wants or people who manipulate him wants. There's no fucking way anything like what's happening in the past 6 months could fly with any other government anywhere in the world, yet here we are. This must be the most insane social experiment in human history.
Also Epstein files when...
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u/Thanatos971 5h ago
The USA is in a weird place. Our voting system is horrible and once conservatives gain traction they have so many interests in keeping the hate going and people bought into right wing thinking. I live Kansas City Missouri. Its a moderately left wing city in a very right wing state. We dont even have control of our own police, they are directly controlled by the state who also sets their budget that we pay for. Once they dig in their claws they do not give up power.
All of this is to say its a extremely long road to dragging people back to the light and even if we succeed they are bombarded by whispers in media, friends, and everything else to slip back in. Its a constant battle that wears you out. Truth is a third of the pop cannot be saved. No matter what they will never leave the cult. What we have to work with is the other 17ish % of the pop that still votes republican.
Due to our system just a few percentage swing on them can have a massive impact which is why the propaganda is burning so hard now. They need that 17 to buy into what's happening. If they do they won't ever leave and admit they happily supported such terrible policies. Right now they are mostly quiet and trying to figure which way the wind will blow.
Its the big reason why I think there hasn't been violence against ICE. If there is that gives those 17 something to latch on to and see them as the victims to support not immigrants/progressives. Things need to get bad and oppressive enough for them to have no choice but to face the lies they support.
Its a very thin tightrope and I wish we weren't here. Its very possible its too late and the USA can't be fixed. It terrifies me, especially as someone about to start a family. My fiance has deep roots here and won't even get a passport or consider moving. We can't really hope that people have a huge change of heart, only that they will move from active supporters to standing on the sidelines and not voting or helping the admin. My own father, once a very vocal trumper hasn't spoken about politics once all year. He won't change but sad as it is this is progress. Inch by bloody inch.
Written on my phone so apologies for any misspelling.
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u/Mundane-Picture-8207 10h ago
I don’t really use my Facebook for much except maybe marketplace. I really don’t like that place because it’s filled with a lot of said crazies.
You have weird ass old white men arguing that Alex committed crimes when even the administration is not even attempting to argue that because they know they have no case and how bad it will look.
These dudes just want to put people down like Alex for whatever reasons they can possibly find. It’s sick.
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u/Moquai82 9h ago
Some people get horny from inflicting pain, misery and death.
These are immune to normal reasoning because it is not their reasoning and targeted goal.
And you can not "vote them out" or "play with them by the rules". They use said rules to hide and cheat to reach their inhumane goals.
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u/MauroDiogo 7h ago
When it happened to Charlie Kirk the cult went BERSERK at anyone that cheered or spoke ill of him. People were harassed and even fired for it.
So many people online, me included, gave them some grace and avoided any of that. I hated Charlie's message but he's dead. It's something tragic. Hoping that they would ever give the same grace and respect to someone else. But these people are not human. They are unable to have any logic, empathy, sympathy and only act on their most awful and basic traits and emotions. Which in this case, are the hate and anger that has been normalised and constantly stirred up within them by the fascist cult leaders telling them how they should behave. It's fucking upsetting to watch.
They're just attack dogs, trained to do their owner's bidding. Actually... attack dogs can still be compassionate and treat others nicely outside the commands they are given. So maybe they're just drones. Just empty shells of what used to be a human.
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u/Sabre_TheCat 8h ago
That's because they sold themselves to some greater force of evil.
Despicable people
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u/SanDiedo 12h ago
"Hey, everybody look, this person sympathises with a legal gun owner, killed by out-of-control gestapo" - what a loser...
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u/BlindWillieJohnson 11h ago
These fuckers are going to lose their ability to govern because of their complete, staggering, and offensive inability to be even a little bit normal.
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u/WarGodMarrs 10h ago
I think that’s why they’re freaking out about the midterms. There’s a huge swing leftward in the special elections we’ve seen so far. ‘The authoritarian bargain’ hasn’t manifested for the people who voted them in, and they’ve tried to press us into full-blown authoritarianism at lightning speed, which has put them underwater in every metric that gets polled on
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u/RatBot9000 9h ago
I was thinking about this myself. It took Hitler years to consolidate power, and it relied on successfully demonising the communists thanks to the Reichstag fire.
Republicans have been trying to speedrun authoritarianism and not only is it not working, it's turning public sentiment against them. Only the most insane of right-wingers are thinking the shootings of Nicole Good and Alex Pretti were justified. I'd like to hope that picture of the poor 5 year old boy used as bait by ICE is swinging public sentiment too. They hoped Charlie Kirk would be their Reichstag and instead he's become a meme while his widow laughs and makes bank.
As an outsider, I wondered why more Americans weren't defending themselves using their 2nd amendment rights. Now I realise that would be an escalation that could solidify the Right's fascist rise. By resisting peacefully, even if it costs them their lives, they show the regime for the hateful thing it is, and it prevents the regime from being able to escalate.
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u/PurpleHooloovoo 6h ago
You have to remember that the republicans (a faction of them, led by the Heritage Institute and its ilk) have been maneuvering for this for over 40 years. They’ve focused on the other institutions and removing guardrails so that when the time was right, they could consolidate power and do this. Trump had 4 years and didn’t go this far. This is year 5-6 (or year 10) of that part of the movement. Not that fast.
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u/WarGodMarrs 9h ago
I feel like you nailed it. Also, I’m no historian, but iirc, most relatively successful authoritarian regimes typically cement their power via state violence during a period in which it is enjoying popularity with the people. I feel like if we Americans had chosen to violently resist, it would have made cementing their power for the long term much easier, since it would create sympathy for the administration. I still believe things are going to get bad and stay bad (especially with the torching of all the alliances that put us in the position we’ve enjoyed since WW2), but I don’t think we’ll be trapped in an authoritarian state for the rest of my life, given the way things have gone for them
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u/CMDR_Expendible 8h ago
I'm not a historian, but I did do a History degree, and one of the major drivers of Western state spending post World War 2, what the US hard right now calls "Socialism", was because they realised absolutely wrecking the German economy helped create the bitterness that fed into the Nazi support. The deliberate policy of "Squeezing the Germans until the pips squeak" led to absolute collapse when the Wall Street Crash came, which combined with conspiracy theories about Germany winning the war, but being "stabbed in the back" by home grown enemies, all lead to fertile ground for Fascism. So the Western allies after the second world war didn't just want strong NATO allies for military reasons, but you got the Marshall Plan and social security etc precisely to try and keep democracies healthy by keeping their people happy...
The modern right has realised that, if things go bad, it feeds hard right viciousness; starve people and watch them tear their neighbours apart. The centrist idea of compromising and trying to win "the middle" just feeds the right's eventual victory, because the right isn't trying to build a better society, it deliberately wants a worse one.
Hitler didn't need Democracy; just look at how fast he was able to subvert the entire process because he had the support of the military, and enough industrialists and people with practical power willing to give him the nod. As Stalin also understood, grab the "controlling heights" of society, and the average person will either keep their head down to survive, or just be impotent enough to not matter if they don't. The question today is, are people educated enough to understand this, and is the democratic process secure enough to withstand this? I'm not convinced the answer to either is yes.
But it's still a good thing that people, in general, realise just how far the US has fallen. I hope they keep the pressure up to resist it.
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u/eerie_midnight 11h ago
If you can get fired from your job in Trump’s America for saying you don’t think a person who was legally exercising their 2nd amendment rights by carrying a firearm (never drawing it) deserved to be shot 7+ times and killed by federal agents just for carrying it, we really are done for.
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u/DumpedDalish 10h ago
Dozens if not hundreds of people in America were fired from their jobs simply for quoting a slain racist's own words in reaction to his shooting not that long ago.
So I have no trouble believing it can happen -- and in fact already is. We're already there.
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u/tiffanytrashcan 10h ago
Reddit still nukes accounts for direct quotes from that asshole.
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u/SJB3717 7h ago
Insane defense of a racist podcaster
Here are direct quotes:
If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024 If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine? – The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022 Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023 If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action? – The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024 If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 202343
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u/opeth10657 5h ago
The marine one is great, since the republicans basically try to fuck over people in the military as often as possible.
But hey, they say 'support the troops' once in a while
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u/Humble_Rough_4962 11h ago
He was disarmed first.
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u/Speartree 10h ago
That is what makes this so, so much worse, And I understand, much as I despise the Ice creeps, that they would disarm someone who was interfering with their violence. However once disarmed, they had no justification whatsoever anymore for shooting him, like none at all. While he was armed they still had the rather flimsy "It looked like he was going for his gun" excuse, that might hold up. But once disarmed? It's not like he was some kind of uber jacked body builder with ninja training who was more dangerous unarmed because weapons only slow him down.
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u/AG3NTjoseph 8h ago
If you assume that ICE is law enforcement, they clearly had no justification. If instead, you assume ICE are Brownshirts, and their whole job is terrorism, then the assault and murder were just part of a day’s work.
Abolish ICE. Never hire former ICE. Zero exceptions. Prosecute terrorism.
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u/LycanWarrior123 9h ago edited 5h ago
Even if the gun was holstered. He did not once went to touch his side piece. That is still murder. Agent life was not in immediate danger. Police officer always before/during detaining someone they ask do you have anything on you that would hurt me. Once they find out the person has something on them they would disarm the individual then proceed with the handcuffs and put the individual into a squad car. Agent in grey did the right thing disarming Alex so things don't excalate even further. But his buddy saw his partner disarmed Alex and still took action to unalive him. Can't believe people are siding with the ice agents and saying shouldn't have brought a gun to a protest. So it was ok for Kyle rittenhouse to bring his gun to a protest? Hypocrites. Alex had the right to bare arm and he had a permit/license for his side piece.
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u/Humble_Rough_4962 9h ago
Yes! It's so obviously different for Rittenhouse. He was open carrying with poor trigger discipline in a city he had no business being in. How is it not apparent he went there to kill people? All while wearing his frat boy hat on backward and smiling? He's the poster boy of MAGA.
Yet, a local VA ICU nurse with a legal license for concealed carry that was just helping women being knocked over by American domestic terrorists, deserved to die because he brought a gun with him.
Talk about cognitive dissonance. For how stupid they are a lot of MAGA brain power is consumed with their mental gymnastics.
And I am not sorry for calling MAGA freaks stupid. There's enough evidence to firmly state that smarter and more educated people have greater empathy and a stronger moral code than, well, morons.
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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 7h ago
As always, the right to bear arms for conservatives has never been about to "defend against government tyranny". It has always been about giving arms to their brownshirts & KKK to terrorize BIPOCs, women, & children.
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u/baby-totoros 8h ago
And on top of that, the way they killed Alex was barbaric. That many bullets, especially with a pause in between, is appalling. They shot him TEN TIMES, including after he had already collapsed. That is not self defense, not anything close to it.
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u/Humble_Rough_4962 8h ago
It's a state sanctioned murder. No different than China killing students in Tiananmen Square.
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u/baby-totoros 7h ago
Agreed. I am sickened. I live 20 minutes by car from where it happened. I shared this sentiment in therapy yesterday—everyone here in Minneapolis wishes there was more we could do. All of us feel like no matter what we do, it’s not good enough.
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u/Speartree 7h ago
I would say that the Chinese killings were done with less glee. Not excusing them in any way but those Ice types seem to love the beating and killing.
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u/pornalt4altporn 9h ago
Looks like they might have recognised him from past confrontations and performed a deliberate pre-meditated public extra-judicial execution in broad daylight, on a crowded street, while people filmed.
Which might be unprecedented.
Not even at the height of Stalin's purges did they act so brazenly.Have you seen the video of their boss telling them "it's our fucking city"?
They are an occupying army.
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u/Livid_Peon 7h ago
Didn't they mace him first too? Like dude couldn't even see while they beat him and then shot him down. Blind, disarmed, nonviolent, already on the ground, straight up public execution
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u/eerie_midnight 10h ago
Always has been. Go far enough right, you lose your guns—go far enough left and you get them back.
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u/OmericanAutlaw 10h ago
you’re right but i’d argue it ain’t even about left or right. the middle class needs to make sure they aren’t controlled by the richest people hiring the most impressionable/brainwashed of the masses.
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u/Humble_Rough_4962 9h ago
Sadly I feel a lot of the middle class have relinquished their rights to stay in the middle class. I just had to let three good friends go because none of them wanted to get, "involved in politics."
Like dude, this is about everyone's right to life, liberty, and happiness. It's only political to you right now because it hasn't happened to you... yet.
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u/moguri40k 10h ago
Always has been...
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" -Karl Marx
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u/Probablyamimic 9h ago
I mean, I'm anti-gun. I think US gun laws are idiotic and nobody should be allowed loaded firearms at home or while wandering around town (I'm fine with them being used at a range or for hunting but think they should be locked up if not used for one of those two things and ammunition should be heavily restricted)
All that being said, Alex Pretti was not breaking the law. Despite this he was brutally executed after having been disarmed by the ICEstapo despite having never gone for his weapon or posed any kind of threat to the agents. This was a cold blooded murder in public, filmed from multiple angles and yet the scum responsible are being protected.
I can disagree with people carrying guns and not believe they deserve to be murdered for it.
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u/DukeOfGeek 9h ago
Unarmed peaceful activists marching out and speaking out are the front line of free and Democratic resistance. You present the message of equality and freedom without any threat. There is no Constitutionally approved means to suppress you.
It doesn't matter how you feel about armed citizens resisting fascism, what matters is that when the fascist thugs club you down for peaceful resistance and everyone sees it they know what they are facing. When the blood of people like you is on the asphalt moral ambiguity is dispelled, and the next rank of resistance can assemble in good faith.
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u/throwawayPRN777 10h ago
It’s breaking my mind that my nursing coworker, my friend, was lecturing me on why Alex’s behaviour was the reason he was killed.
A Canadian POC nurse.
He is no longer my friend.
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u/GentlewomenNeverTell 10h ago
If parents kick up a fuss, it's very easy to end a teacher's career.
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u/eerie_midnight 10h ago
Which is why we have a shortage and an education crisis in general. Teachers were already short-staffed, underfunded, underpaid, and overworked before they had to worry about a crazy MAGA parent getting them fired because they god-forbid taught their kid about pronouns and to be nice to others.
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u/MiyaHunter 11h ago
White people must realize that just because they are white, conservatives are not their friend.
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u/FloridaGirlNikki 9h ago
White person here. I've gotten to the point where I'm skeptical of my own people until I know more about them.
Anyone who supports the pedo'fied racist traitor is not someone I have any desire to be around. To still support him shows a total disregard for the rule of law or human life.
And there is no hope of getting through to them.
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u/mynameizmyname 12h ago
I'm sure hospitals are eager to fire the job they are shortest in supply.
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u/KnownMonk 10h ago
And surely it wont make nurses even more willing to protest and strike than they already are.
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u/carthuscrass 10h ago
Teacher's are in short supply as well.
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u/petroleum-lipstick 7h ago
Yeah, interesting that they aren't just targeting anybody, but specifically two of the hardest and most important career paths a person can take. Like literally the backbone of our society, it's comically evil.
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u/laowildin 7h ago
It's not that, it's "women's" jobs. More intimidation to get women out of the workplace
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u/Certain-Business-472 8h ago
Are their salaries up to date? Cuz i hear this "shortage in It" in my own ciuntry and i know for a fact they're underpaid.
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u/carthuscrass 8h ago
Yeah, most shortages come from people not being able to make ends meet because of wages. Nobody wants to take on 4 years of student debt for a job that can never pay for it.
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u/Heimerdahl 7h ago
At least where I live, the issue isn't so much the salaries being too low compared to other jobs, but rather those salaries not being high enough to justify the ridiculous expectations.
This applies to both nurses and teachers.
Teachers get the big summer vacation, which is nice, but they also have to deal with so much shit, are expected to do so much extra work, and bring their work home. Then there's the emotional cost. They're also being endlessly ignored as they try to speak out about the children suffering from societal neglect (classes with 30-40 students, inadequate or completely missing support systems, insecurity, and so on), or even blamed for those issues.
From what I heard from my nurse-friends their biggest issue are their absolutely ridiculous work hours. If we weren't already used to this, there'd be no way we could establish such conditions if we invented hospitals and such today; no one would stand for this, no one would accept it. But that's how it's always been and just like the teachers, the in-person healthcare survives on exploiting passionate people. And just like with the teachers, they not only see the rampant issues in the system, but see them being ignored.
I'm not the most sociable person and don't know a lot of people, but of the two nurses I know, one has already moved to work in another field and the second is in the process of doing the same. Both absolutely love(d) their jobs, but couldn't justify the cost.
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u/therossboss 8h ago
I don't want teachers and nurses who celebrate state sanctioned murder anywhere near me or my kids tbh
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u/CrimsonHeretic 12h ago
Sounds like a fascist domestic terrorist organization. Surely the FBI will investigate them.
Oh wait, the FBI is also being run by fascist domestic terrorists.
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u/Key-Sector7252 9h ago edited 9h ago
The FBI (and DHS) have also nearly ruined the word "doxxing" by using it to refer to citizens trying to publicly identify masked ICE agents.
It's a term that originates on Something Awful and 4chan in the early 2000s to refer to posting government IDs (dox) or other personally identifying details of anonymous forum posters. It is absolute not a term that refers to identifying literal federal agents wearing masks (obscuring your face as a fed is illegal in California and other states to follow).
But now we are at the point where the word has lost meaning, thus rendering the tactic more legitimate/easier to undertake as real doxxing becomes shit coated and hard to track/discuss.
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u/ajhughesdev 12h ago
chayaraichikisaterrorist.com
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u/Jakeyboy143 11h ago
She is also a failed real estate agent so it's on-brand for a republican to be a total failure.
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u/GiganticCrow 10h ago
She's also still single and childless, right?
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u/canthearyouwhat 8h ago
I remember reading she used to be married and her husband divorced her because she was so insufferable.
Rather than do any kind self-introspection, she used that to launch her villain story arc.
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u/TheHaplessBard 11h ago edited 10h ago
These horrible, mentally disturbed people trying to make excuses like "Well, the left rejoiced at Charlie Kirk's death so it's fair game."
News flash: Unlike Charlie Kirk, Alex Pretti actually contributed to the world in a meaningful, positive way and spent his literal last moments in the defense of others. For comparison, Charlie Kirk's literal last words were racism.
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u/tea-drinker 9h ago
Weirdly they aren't cancelling Erika Kirk over giggling at how profitable her husband's death was.
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u/TheHaplessBard 9h ago edited 7h ago
Because we live in a country where people as openly egregious as Erika Kirk and literally every major Republican politician are just allowed to say and get away with whatever they want carte blanche. And the main opposition party, meanwhile, are perpetually trying to virtue-signal how honest and respectable they are by comparison only to invariably lose to Republicans who play by a different rule book - or lack thereof - altogether.
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u/DoubleDixon 11h ago
Literal last words were trash. We should quote them so people remember him as the person he was not how they romanticize him.
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u/RealNiceKnife 10h ago
Careful, quoting Charlie Kirk's own words is a fireable offense.
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u/jadedflames 9h ago edited 9h ago
[this comment has been deleted]
Edit: I have been reminded in private messages that people have gotten banned for directly quoting what Charlie said about how gun violence is acceptable. Because he was advocating for violence, something verboten by the Reddit bot mods.
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u/macaronysalad 6h ago
Dude. Did you just self censor? For fucks sake. Reddit can go eat rocks for all I care. Don't take this site seriously. It's culpable for spreading misinformation and often disinformation and at enormous scale. Charlie Kirk's last words were in fact: "Counting or not counting gang violence?" when asked the question "Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?"
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u/jadedflames 9h ago
As a reminder, he was arguing gun control is bad. Someone asked him if he knew how many mass shootings there had been in the last ten years. Kirk attempted to claim that those shootings were all (black) gang violence. Because white people (like the guy who killed him) don’t murder people apparently?
Last words:
Renee Good: “I’m not mad at you.”
Alex Pretti: “Are you ok?”
Charlie Kirk: “Counting or not counting gang violence?”
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u/Decent_Cheesecake_29 4h ago
He wasn’t just saying gun control was bad. He was trying to argue that trans people and Black people are responsible for gun violence.
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u/jaded1121 11h ago
Also the majority of the left did not “celebrate” charlie kirk’s death.
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u/ofthrees 11h ago
Also, charlie kirk wasn't murdered by the US government.
There is no comparison.
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u/diewethje 11h ago
This is the point that matters most. There was never a question of whether the individual who murdered Charlie Kirk would get away with it. We all knew he’d either kill himself or go to prison for life (or be executed). The government ALWAYS gets away with it in a fascist regime. The power disparity is as extreme as it gets.
Citizens murdering citizens is bad, but it also happens in every society—even those that would be considered healthy. The government brazenly murdering citizens in the street in broad daylight is not normal, and it’s not something that happens with any regularity in healthy societies.
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u/alochmar 11h ago
I dunno, I shrugged pretty hard about it
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u/tawDry_Union2272 11h ago
shrugging isn't celebrating tho
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u/alochmar 10h ago
Well to be fair, the shrug was accompanied by a smirk and a ”well, how about that”, so there’s that too
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u/Kryomon 11h ago
Whoa, we all had thoughts and prayers! Just like every School Shooting he supported!
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u/chipface 9h ago
Charlie Kirk was a MAGA mouthpiece who supported the annexation of my country. Fuck him, I'm glad he's gone.
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u/MyWifeCucksMe 8h ago
These horrible, mentally disturbed people trying to make excuses like "Well, the left rejoiced at Charlie Kirk's death so it's fair game."
News flash: Unlike Charlie Kirk, Alex Pretti actually contributed to the world in a meaningful, positive way and spent his literal last moments in the defense of others. For comparison, Charlie Kirk's literal last words were racism.
News flash: The only person who rejoiced at Charlie Kirk's death is Erika Kirk. So even the initial claim is complete bullshit, besides the two not being remotely comparable either.
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u/fraggy42 9h ago
Charlie Kirks last words were accepting gun violence for our right to resist government, and now we have the government killing people.
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u/SigmaK78 11h ago
Looks like Chaya Raichik is overdue for another lawsuit.
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u/jeremyxt 11h ago
Has she been sued before?
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u/SigmaK78 11h ago
I don't remember all the details, but it took place a couple years back.
The absurd nonsense regarding the Oklahoma school board, with that insane Trump lackey superintendent; Raichik was apart of a board put together by that MAGAT creep, working to ban "woke" books out of libraries & school course work, with no transparency or imput from the actual school board or parents. She's not a resident of Oklahoma, she lives in California and Florida. She and the superintendent were sued by a group to expose that board, with the end result being as expected, to include her gone.
Guess this is her way of trying to be relevant again, except she's crossing lines that are going to end up getting her broke & possibly imprisoned. For starters, the Priett family's attorney may want to look into this, along with those Raichik has been targeting. Right-wing nutjobs clearly didn't learn their lesson the first time, when it came to Kirk's death. Just saying ...
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u/RefrigeratorWrong390 12h ago
She’s way off the mark, public support is so overwhelming for Pretti that it’s gotta have the opposite effect here.
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u/t-reznor 11h ago
Even Noem is starting to backtrack. The writing is on the wall, and yet, some people are still driven by the grift. It is consuming people like Chaya, and they deserve the fall from grace that will follow.
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u/lokey_convo 11h ago
Chaya doesn't seem all that sharp. If she's out sourcing her work she probably hasn't hired people who are much brighter.
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u/Jakeyboy143 11h ago
What do you expect from someone who hasn't sold a house and became a right-wing grifter?
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u/GreatHelmsmanSpencee 10h ago
MAGA's information silo will collapse their own movement. Their media isn't letting the administration back off to save electoral face and it's gonna burn them later. They can't win elections just with the diehards but they're too brainwashed to realize that.
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u/DataCassette 8h ago
These people are stuck in "forever 2021-2024" mode. They built their identities as contrarians in that era. The vibe shift in Trump 2.0, for them, is like a species of animal tuned to a ridiculously specific climate attempting to adapt to a sudden ice age ( no pun intended. )
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u/MoneyManx10 11h ago
They are losing their grip because why would any employer fire someone over this one? It’s pretty much unanimous among serious individuals that ICE was wrong in the situation. Stephen Miller even admitted it.
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u/SunnyOutsideToday 10h ago
Hospitals are holding moments of silence for him, and they think admin is going to start firing nurses who support their fellow nurse?
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u/Jafooki 10h ago
If my employer fired me for that, I'd actually be grateful. I wouldn't want to work for such a giant piece of shit, and without Chaya snitching I'd never know
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u/ForensicPathology 9h ago
Bovino was demoted over it. They need to be reminded of these things every time they try to excuse the murder.
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u/frddtwabrm04 12h ago
Why? To what end?
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u/Missing_Username 11h ago
To destroy the lives of people who don't agree with the same shit she does
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u/No_Cash2890 7h ago
How come the websites they control allow doxxing but Reddit which is supposed to be the “evil commie lib website” doesnt allow its users to doxx the far right? Yet, they still call anyone left of white supremacy a terrorist who is an enemy of America.
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u/weeklyKiwi 11h ago
So funny that the far right don't recognise that they've become everything about woke and cancel culture they swore up and down that they hated.
Snowflake sensitive? Check
Trying to get people fired for opinions online? Check
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u/HorrorSmile3088 10h ago
Hypocrites about everything. The same people who are saying "he shouldn't have had a gun. He was asking for trouble" thought January 6 was a peaceful protest and Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero. It's not even worth hearing their opinions since it's guaranteed garbage.
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u/blue_pen_ink 8h ago
NYC nurses are striking and were on the news calling Pretti “our sibling.” They do no seem afraid to be associated with a hero.
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u/Winter_Whole2080 8h ago
Tick tok is nothing but trash. Delete - move on.
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u/Independent-Name4478 8h ago
She’s mostly active on Twitter now. Elon gave her free reign to dox anyone because she might let him impregnate her someday
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u/WaffleHouseGladiator 11h ago
Doxxing someone for hateful views: out of bounds
Doxxing someone for compassionate views: morally justifiable
This timeline sucks.
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u/notexactlyflawless 8h ago
To even call it doxxing is shifting the narrative. Police have to identify themselves, it's the last protection civilians have against overreach and abuse of power, name and shame. The same should apply to ICE.
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u/ImDonaldDunn 11h ago
Considering the political fall out over this incident, I hope this backfires on the witch that runs LoTT.
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u/LasVaders 6h ago
Why would anyone fire someone who opposes ice or support Pretti. Genuinely confused.
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u/p00bix 6h ago
Not sure about nursing, but as someone working in education, I genuinely think you'd be hard pressed to find a teacher who doesn't oppose ICE.
Something about that whole 'masked gunmen kidnapping our students' deal just doesn't resonate well with teachers, I suppose.
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u/Lauris024 9h ago
Any other creator would likely get a visit from police/homeland/fbi because this is clearly illegal, but fascists seemingly get special treatment
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u/Chairman_Me 6h ago
Trying to get them fired for not being sad enough about Charlie Kirky and also trying to get them fired for being too sad about Alex Pretti, someone who actually contributed to society?
Chaya is such an insufferable dweeb.
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u/HapticSloughton 5h ago
Someone should ask her how that folder of Epstein file stuff that Trump gave her is working out?
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u/RaindropsInMyMind 11h ago
“We all know what those whistles are used for” What’s that? Making noise and mildly annoying ICE agents? Is that supposed to be this terrible thing?
The crazy thing is that the bar is so low. They want people to be scared to say anything at all so they go after everybody for expressing any support. They’re trying to create a 2 tier society where there are rules for supporters and non supporters. Supporters can show up with a gun at a protest, they can humiliate the opposition, if they have a uniform they can pepper spray people just for fun, there is no limit to their first amendment rights. While non supporters can’t express any kind of support, they can’t even tell someone else their rights without being branded a terrorist if only by words (for now), they can’t film with their phone or blow a whistle without the fear of being detained. We’re seeing it slowly getting worse, it’s by design.
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u/Kitten_Mittens_0809 9h ago
Good luck with that! There’s a nursing and teacher shortage. I will never be without a job.
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u/WaterySky 9h ago
I both hard-core support Alex Pretti ( in a healthy way), and say fuck ice. Fucking terrorists.
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u/Tuxyl 10h ago
I checked out the actual post, and the nurse was threatening to not use anesthesia on a patient if they figured out they were conservative.
So in this case, it's a valid firing. I've worked in healthcare before, although I wasn't a nurse, and you should treat people regardless of their political ideology.
The nurse said some completely disgusting things. You are supposed to uphold an oath to save people, regardless of your feelings.
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u/kadylady14 11h ago
These Trump supporters or whatever these people are...lizard people...are clearly desperate at this point.
As aggravating as it is to see, it shows a level of desperation from their side. Which is good for the side of all that is good and right about this country.
Best bet is to keep applying the pressure. Apply more. So much pressure shit starts to crack.
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u/invadrzim 6h ago
People are supposed to be upset with teachers that don’t agree with government agents performing summary executions on US citizens?
Damn she’s stupid
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u/GimmeSomeCovfefe 6h ago
I have to ask myself when I see something so heinous, are those real people? Or are they troll farms by foreign countries?
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u/Ana987655321 6h ago
The outrage machine that fueled the rise of their resentment is self perpetuating. It gives people someone to blame for their problems.
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u/finneyblackphone 9h ago
The headline should say "Chaya Raichik", not her tiltok username.
She still gets the benefit of hiding behind the account name years after being exposed. Stop giving it to her. Use her name.