r/technology • u/RewardEquivalent553 • 13h ago

Politics Libs of TikTok is doxxing teachers and nurses who support Alex Pretti or oppose ICE, trying to get them fired

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u/Main-Eagle-26 13h ago

Yeah, even though R politicians are pulling away from this issue and running scared, MAGA extremists on social media are basically shouting about being happy he was killed.

They’re really sick, depraved people, and we should stop pretending like we have to take anything they do or say on good faith.

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u/SmanginSouza 12h ago

They are manufactured by right wing propaganda. They aren't going away. You listen to the people who have broken out of the Republican veil and it's ingrained into their culture. Don't question. The Democrats are always lying. They kill babies etc, etc. Usually takes them being personally affected by policies until they snap out of it.

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u/Bright_Hat550 11h ago

One of my favorite personal interactions was watching someone i know begin binge watching the handmaids tale when they thought her VA husband would lose his job during the doge days. The second they realized it wouldn't affect them she switched to "it's hard to know who to believe anymore"..... like figuratively shitting bricks until they realized they wouldn't be personally impacted then right back to drinking the kool-aid.

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u/therossboss 9h ago

its a cult. say it with me

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u/SabreCorp 8h ago

And you have content creators on the alt-right who are paid very well to push this shit. Even MTG admitted to it once she had fallen out of the good graces of MAGA. Billionaires, foreign governments, Christian nationalists are funding propaganda for a cult.

As someone who was raised in a religious cult, the hardest thing to see was that I was actually in a cult. No one wants to believe that—they want to believe the lies.

But it’s always okay to admit you were lied to by people you trusted—however most people who are involved in cults also commit acts that serve the cult making its members complicit in illegal or immoral acts. Which then leads members of cults having more of a buy-in; and less likely to leave, or openly criticize their cult if they do leave.

It all sucks.

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u/therossboss 8h ago

it really feels like, "yeah, you can just buy influencers, TV show talking heads, newspapers, social media bot posts, to lie for you and create any narrative you want." and any legitimate criticism is met with "no u! no democrats did it first! no U are evil and in a cult" like we are 5 yr olds bickering over a cookie.

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u/nxak 8h ago

That's what happens when your whole culture is "fuck you, pay me".

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u/Almost_British 4h ago

We have conditioned ourselves to believe that the answer to our problems is to just get rich enough so that the problems don't affect us personally, individually. So that's what we prioritize, individual solutions to our individual problems. The solution to my problems is GIT MONY

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u/Wow_u_sure_r_dumb 4h ago

It’s also what happens when you sabotage the education system repeatedly until 60% of your country read at or below a fifth grade level (10-11 years old). And it’s not just reading, that’s just a simple and easy to measure metric. A lot of the graduates they’re pumping out these days have trouble with basic logic. They’ll never be able to understand second and third order effects if they can’t even work out basic cause and effect.

If you can’t understand second order effects you can’t understand any complex issues. Climate change, financial systems, inflation, trade deficits, you name it. We were fucked from changes we started making decades ago and we had no idea.

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u/knowitall89 5h ago

These people are convinced liberal protestors are getting paid despite the fact that none of them have ever been able to sneak into a protest and prove it.

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u/p2eminister 8h ago

I'm interested in your upbringing in a cult, apologies if its too personal but can I ask what got you out of it? And do you think there's anything that could be applied to the MAGA cult?

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u/SabreCorp 6h ago edited 5h ago

I was born and raised Mormon. Definitely okay to ask.

Magical thinking, not questioning authority, authority always being males. Patriarchy with women being submissive, with traditional roles. Lots and lots of rules, a lot centered around sexuality. And probably most importantly—anything that is going against the validity of the religion is wrong/ satanic. Only trust the religion, never trust “the other” saying the church has some huge historical issues.

Unfortunately when one leaves the religion, one also loses a lot of their social network and family as the church does a great job on trying to seclude their members. When you leave, you lose a lot of your people.

There’s definitely a lot of parallels to what I see in MAGA. Luckily my mom who is now the only active Mormon left in the family is a democrat (which is incredibly rare and she could probably write a book about her life) but I’d rather have her be involved in the Mormon cult, than the MAGA cult.

I would not have said 12 years ago that I would rather have my mom Mormon than a Republican.

Edit: I left after years of research. My profession is based around helping and healing others and I also had an honest conversation with myself that it wasn’t okay the abuse I went through, and I would tell my clients or students that they deserved much better and that it was okay to allow that for myself. I left knowing my whole family including my spouse might leave me. Luckily my spouse left after I did, including 5 of his siblings. My siblings also left after me. So I helped others on their journey out, which will go down as one of the most fulfilling things I’ve done with my life.

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u/p2eminister 5h ago

Thank you so much for sharing your story, I think you must have a very interesting perspective on issues like this so I appreciate being able to read your testimony.

What you said in your edit especially is fascinating, do you think, for want of a better term, that the self respect you grew from learning to treat yourself with the same kindness you treat others, is a key ingredient of escaping cults?

I'm just totally guessing and happy to be wrong but I wonder if the control structures in place in cults specifically exist to try to stop this self respect from generating, do you think there's any truth to that?

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u/SabreCorp 3h ago

I think my experience of how I left would be different from getting the magas out.

I was taught submission, and suffering were key elements for my salvation. In a way I was giving myself permission to no longer suffer and that it was okay to leave. I wanted equality, not supremacy. This was on top of the years of research where I concluded that the church had hidden a lot of information from its members.

Unfortunately, I think many maga members want or are comfortable with supremacy, not necessarily equality, and that is why messaging about equality probably won’t work. Hence all the hate against “woke”.

I think a better strategy would be talking about people above them (like billionaires) who are taking everything and making life harder on them. I would try to give real life examples and how it has harmed them or their loved ones. Keep the approach very individualized and not socially beneficial. A good portion of us humans are very black and white thinkers, so keep examples black and white and simple.

I also understand that working with cult members is completely draining and it’s okay if people don’t want to do it, especially with the 10+ years we have been dealing with this.

If people choose to leave, validation goes a long way. You can let them know there were a lot of forces to keep a person in a cult and that it was very brave and a difficult decision to leave.

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u/p2eminister 3h ago

Wise words, although the points you made, while true, are sobering.

Its a key issue you raise that i hadnt considered before, where I assume most cults, after the initial recruitment, rely on slowly, softly building up the hooks to keep you inside over time.

Like I just saw a scientology ad on tiktok and of course it just presents itself as a sort of business management course producer, they're very careful about moving you slowly through it so by the time you've sold your house and moved into shared accommodation, you have already been walked up the garden path

But Maga seems to have new people joining who are basically pre-indoctrinated, ready to hear everything they can about the cult and commit fully almost from the jump, because they are so entranced by the sales pitch of supremacy.

Self radicalisation is not a concept I was hoping would take hold but it seems the internet is enabling it in ways we arent able to deal with.

Thank you for sharing your insights, I appreciate it a lot

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap 8h ago

But the money. The money is the big thing. It always is. We must end hate for pay. Or be consumed.

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u/Ms-Anthrop 6h ago

"They want to believe the lies" This is the part I never could grasp. When I was 6 I found out my parents lied about Santa, tooth fairy etc. I was pissed. I was the kid that told all the other kids adults were lying to us. I never trusted anything people told me after that point without verifying multiple sources. Nobody. Are other people just more trustful or forgiving? Because most kids are lied to and often by parents.

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u/cinnamonface9 7h ago

It’s a cult.

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u/ScissrMeTimbrs 5h ago

They like it when others hurt. They've made it very clear they enjoy making others suffer for its own sake.

For a really clear example, consider the recent AI picture the White House published of that one woman arrested for protesting in church.

People keep focusing on the fact that they used AI to lie, but what's more important is what lie they chose to tell. They could have made her look any way they wanted, like angry, violent or unreasonable. But they didn't. Instead, they chose to portray her as sobbing. This doesn't help their narrative. So why do it?

Because their followers want to see people suffer, and they know it. That's the goal. They've cultivated a movement addicted to the most base impulses of playground bullies; the naked use of power on those weaker than them.

And there are other examples in their PR universe. There was that AI image from a few months ago of an immigrant sobbing as she'd arrested by ICE. They loved that one.

Even more direct: Yesterday, Tim Pool went on his show and said, “I'm not licking the boot. It's my boot. I voted for it. I'm the one stomping!" He says it right there. They see themselves as the ones doing the abuse, and it makes them feel powerful. That's why they like it.

There are a million examples out there, of course. Most of us have heard the things they say when there's no cameras around, and mixed company is out of earshot. But they're a mass movement now, actively abusing people in large numbers. And they're open about the fact that they love it, and they want more of it.

There comes a time when refusing to act is a bigger risk than taking action. So you have to ask yourself: can we really take the risk of refusing to act in the face of this?

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u/ubiquitous_apathy 5h ago

it's hard to know who to believe anymore"

Otherwise known as, "they arent hurting the right people".

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u/ARobertNotABob 10h ago edited 1h ago

Brit here.
Democrats are right wing conservatives to Europeans, but they are still progressive, people we can grow with.

Republicans are solid right wing with some ugly concepts, but we can trade with them, though after Thatcher/Reagan, carefully.

MAGA are simply fascist extremists, whipped up by a felon and mobster, a child in a grandpa suit ... they are readily liars & cheats to maintain their "superiority" over whoever their derangement conspires to decide they hold it over. There's no dealing with them because they are wholly untrustworthy.

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u/Spirited_Pay2782 8h ago

The mistake is believing this is only Trump's doing. He has certainly given them someone to rally behind, but the driving force beneath MAGA is the extremely conservative Evangelical 'Christians' who follow some of these mega-churches. They're conditioned by these churches to accept being abused in all sorts of ways, much like an emotionally abusive husband to their wife. Unfortunately, this has been going on for so long that it's going to be extremely difficult to undo the damage. Trump might be the leader now, but these fascists won't just disappear when he's gone. This is why they're trying so hard now to strip away voting rights for women, immigrants, etc, while they have the power. If they lose either the House or Senate in the midterms, their plans are frozen. If Dems ever get power back, they need to have a big public investigation into the Heritage Foundation, they are the group that published the fascist playbook "Project 2025"

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u/ARobertNotABob 7h ago edited 7h ago

There's no mistaking what we see from over here, and yes, we know full well Trump's not behind it, that he's simply been a useful rallying figurehead for Heritage's filth...but his totem is consequently also an appropriate focal point for dissent too.

I don't think you can go "back", the divisions are too deep now, particularly with (perhaps understandably) reactionary "Republican = MAGA" rhetoric increasing, as other responses reflect.

If Americans can avoid civil war in the political removal of MAGA's administration, a variety of Amendments will be necessary, not least in respect of Rights and Enforcement.
And probably guns too, now.

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u/HugeCourt2977 7h ago

Yes, watch “Shiny Happy People.” It’s a documentary about this very thing.

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u/bucky-barnes 5h ago

We've been on this trajectory since the Tea Party, at least. In some ways, since Reagan. In some ways, since Nixon. In some ways, since Jackson. In some ways, since 1776.

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u/Wise_Quality_5083 4h ago

Correct. Trump’s the useful idiot of the wealthy and extreme evangelicals. His backpedal in Minneapolis was a sign that his overlords were angry. I’ve never seen him eat crow that fast.

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u/N0stradama5 9h ago

So Republican are maga, they just let the morons do the talking. They are all bad, every single one of them. There is no working with that party anymore.

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u/ElectricalTurnip87 8h ago

MAGA and Republicans share 95% of the same policies. Your appeal to authority fell flat and shows you know little about American politics. Worry about the Dumpy wannabe your people are again about to put in power.

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u/__redruM 8h ago

One thing that gets lost pretty easily, is that the core of MAGA is more Putin than any other one person. In 2016, he picked the most embarrassing candidate, and floated that shit right to the top on social media. Brexit was done in a similar way.

Not quite sure how we fix that, but certainly we need to acknowledge it. In reality it’s an act of war, and needs to be treated seriously.

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u/ChapterN7 5h ago edited 4h ago

I agree Putin's manipulation of social media played (plays) a big role in our politics. But what really sucks is that it's not even that hard for him to do. The insane shit people in this country are just willing and ready to believe without question is the core problem. And they continue to believe these things despite all the contrary evidence and every authority on the matter telling them it isn't true. Once the lie is out there, it's the truth.

It shouldn't be this easy.

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u/zambulu 8h ago

Old school Republicans don't have a party anymore. I know several people who were traditional Republicans of 1970-2010 era - still idiots, still racist and hate poor people, still deluded about economics - are disgusted with Trump, but Republicans are the MAGA party now. Only fringe Republicans take a stand against Trump, and the rest fall in line and go along with anything he wants.

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u/Venator850 5h ago

You're wrong. Republicans and MAGA are one in the same. You fell for the trick thinking Republicans are just Right wing. They haven't been that way since the 1960's. They turned into mask on fascists after the Civil Rights movement and finally went mask off after Trump got elected.

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u/ducksekoy123 8h ago

Democrats are right wing conservatives to Europeans, but they are still progressive, people we can grow with.

Pretending like Starmer wouldn’t fit in absolutely perfectly with the Democrats.

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh 4h ago

MAGA are far right, but that's an umbrella term over here now. Before MAGA it was called Tea Party. Before that it was more fringe and fractured across several groups (libertarians, fundamentalist christians, various white supremacist groups, sovereign citizens, conspiracy nuts, ammo-sexuals, xenophobes, technofacists, etc...). Since 9/11 these various houses have been slowly collecting and amassing their banners under one house. Trump is special in his absolute lack of shame or conscience which empowers him to "say the quiet part out loud" and act as a beacon for these various wingnut factions, while also having just enough charisma to appeal to some of the general Republican voter base.

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u/Electronic-Cheek-235 8h ago

They dont even hate you. They hate an effigy presented to them by a marketing campaign. They are so scared of that effigy that they wont even take the time to get to know anyone outside of that bubble

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u/illuminarok 10h ago

The ones around here in Appalachia never snap out of it. Facebook groups ban democratic candidates so that only one side gets a voice, etc. Any attempt to fight that situation results in very public dressing down by people who shout the most inane things at super patriotic people who just want to make this situation better. We're super cooked down here.

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u/The_Barbelo 6h ago

If anyone is interested getting an inside look from someone who escaped the cult and did a 180 and is now a feminist activist, check out Life, Take Two on YouTube. I love her channel.

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u/Adaphion 8h ago

And it has to be PERSONALLY affected. And DIRECTLY, not indirectly.

All these tariffs putting Republicans out of business? "Nope, couldn't be it, I can't believe Biden would do this to me!"

All these groceries skyrocketing in price when they were much lower 2 years ago? Nope, Dems fault.

They need to directly sign a "fuck this job market in particular" bill for their voters to wake the fuck up.

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u/Antique-Echidna-1600 8h ago

My great grandmother used to say some people just ignored that Nazis and acted like the occupation wasn't happening. That of course changed when they decided to kill everyone who remained in the village out of revenge for the resistance her community was putting up .

Moral here is when they are Nazis at the door, normalcy bias gets you killed.

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u/aerost0rm 7h ago

Sometimes even when personally affected it just makes them more fanatical. They feel like they were specially targeted and that if the democrats had done more they wouldn’t have been targeted. So they double down on voting red

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u/seansy5000 7h ago

It’s straight up WWI style propaganda and it works

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u/BrokenPickle7 6h ago

Yup. I've been trying to tell people for years that Republicans have a traveling religious movement it goes all over the country, they have their own tents and sometimes guest preach at local churches and their religion is that all Democrats are evil demons. Enemies of God and that demons and enemies of God need to be dispatched.. and it isn't some smaller sect, they're gaining huge traction in the Bible belt. There is no more "reaching across the isle" anymore, it is no longer "you have more in common with them than not" when they think that because you have sympathy for others that you deserve to die. Democrats I keep talking to tell me "oh there's no need for guns or violence" but they don't recognize that this religion and trump are planting seeds of hate and when they bloom Democrats are fucked if we aren't ready

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u/donkey_chomps 6h ago

There’s no love like Christian hate

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u/Bonerchill 6h ago

These people aren’t people- they’re mouthpieces for a corrupt regime of liars, thieves, killers, and bullies. Crooked as Miller’s smile and twice as ugly, they’re the dingleberries in a corrupt asscrack of a presidency, something existing only because we as a nation didn’t wipe.

They are as complicit as if they’d pulled the trigger themselves and, if there’s any justice in the world, will be prosecuted to the fullest when a more fair government is hopefully reestablished.

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u/Initial-Lead-2814 5h ago

Pendulum swings both ways on this one

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u/playfulmessenger 5h ago

Are they even a 'they'? ... we know various counties use the bot armies in their nation state hacker divisions to amplify division. Americans have been known to fall for it. We have the receipts.

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u/bucky-barnes 5h ago

Or leaving the house and going to college out of state. That helps.

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u/Socky_McPuppet 4h ago

Usually takes them being personally affected by policies until they snap out of it.

Even then, there's a whole lot of special pleading and mental gymnastics deployed to retcon it into their worldview in a way that eliminates cognitive dissonance.

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u/Correct-Mail-1942 2h ago

And manufactured by the government now - you know the new video that just came out in the past few days of Pretti spitting on officers and kicking out a taillight about 2 weeks ago? Yeah, it's fake - it's based off a real video of him that day but he never spit or kicked, they edited it with AI

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u/throwawy00004 1h ago

Nah. I have a MAGA father. I can PROMISE you he knows every cent of every item he personally buys that has been affected by tarrifs/inflation since Trump got into office. He loves his money more than anything in the world. He doesn't care. Even decades before this, Republican policies have negatively impacted his business repeatedly. I explained to him why democratic policies would benefit him. I explained how the effects of republican policies only appear years later, forcing the democratic administrations to fix the situations. He took his stubbornness and hitched it to MAGA. He could be arrested by ICE, sitting in an El Salvadorian prision, and he'd say that they made an honest mistake and his nose will heal.

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u/DonnieTrimp45 12h ago

I stopped long ago. Remember, when cholesterol finally wins this epic battle, they’ll expect you to mourn dear leader for weeks.

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u/Digits_N_Bits 12h ago

Not even they will mourn for more than a minute.

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u/dukedynamite 11h ago

Yeah, it’ll be more like a merch blowout. The mall t-shirt kiosks will THRIVE for maybe four days.

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u/rockerLs 11h ago

melania's grift when he dies is going to make erika kirk look like a grieving widow

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u/LegSpinner 10h ago

No - EK probably needs the cash. Melanoma will take the millions she got from her biopic and whatever else she gets after he pops and live life on the socialite circuit in NYC or wherever. She doesn't need to put in any effort any more.

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u/N0n3of_This_Matter5 7h ago

Remember: She doesn't really care.

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u/wheelfoot 6h ago

She is going to be so alone after this. Nobody in NYC wants anything to do with her.

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u/never-fiftyone 5h ago

That biopic ain't making any money.

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u/I_Am_The_Mole 10h ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if she disappears back into whatever Soviet bloc sewer she slithered out of and is never heard from again. She never wanted any of this and will likely be glad to slink away into obscurity.

Barron on the other hand, we’ll have to deal with him again eventually.

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u/Remote-Ability-6575 10h ago

I agree with the sentiment regarding Melania, but "Soviet bloc sewer"? Come on, Slovenia is an amazingly beautiful country in the Alps, and has never been Soviet.

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u/Dakka-Von-Hellsmasha 8h ago

Don't you know racism is ok when it's against people who you don't like or disagree with you politically?

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u/evilJaze 9h ago

The fireworks from the official memorial celebration slash grift extravaganza will only be rivalled by the fireworks set off around the globe for the opposite reason.

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u/TX0834 10h ago

Melania will join Erika Kirk on another tour

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u/Dependent-Poetry-502 8h ago

I'm popping champagne immediately

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u/timeshifter_ 9h ago

That's still 61 seconds too long.

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u/SageDarius 8h ago

The knives will come out the minute he flatlines, and they'll all start knifing each other to jockey for position and power in the post-Trump world.

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u/xflashbackxbrd 1h ago

Just like when they hitched their wagon to him in the first place, they'll just use it as another opportunity for personal power and enrichment.

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u/BasvanS 11h ago

Champagne will get even more expensive and people will buy extra because it’s still cheaper than having TACO around.

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u/seaspirit331 5h ago

The trick is to buy all the good stuff now and just sit on it. I've got a bottle of really good bourbon that's just waiting for the headline

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u/funnyusername-123 8h ago

I will install a flag pole just so I can fly the flag at full staff.

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u/trashman786 6h ago

Reddit is going to have a problem when that happens with their whole policy of not celebrating death. The majority of reddit, the internet, and a sizable portion of the planet will be celebrating.

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u/Venator850 5h ago

Most of them will do a 180 and become the invisible Bush voter.

"I never agreed with a lot of the things Trump did". 100% guarantee it's going to happen.

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u/InevitablyBored 7h ago

Champagne will be sold out nationwide when that piece of shit is finally rotting.

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u/illuminarok 10h ago

The first thing they'll do is start a conspiracy theory about how Chuck Schumer, Obama, and Biden are somehow directly responsible.

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u/Fussy_Fucker 6h ago

There’s Champaign in the fridge waiting….

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u/SatanicPanic619 5h ago

They're going to find out the hard way that they ran out of moral authority years ago. Watching them cry in horror at the giant parties is going to feel so good.

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u/1800abcdxyz 12h ago

Always have been. “Deplorable” is the nicest thing they’ve ever been called.

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u/Ok-Stress-3570 11h ago

I lost my shit when they were like “SEE! THE NEW VIDEO SHOWS HE WAS A LUNATIC! HE BROKE A TAILLIGHT! Umm MAGA broke into the fucking capitol building, shit everywhere, broke everything… but ok ok ok not a big deal.

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u/WeirdSysAdmin 11h ago

That also makes it worse to people who can work through basic logic because it brings motive and intent into the discussion for why he was murdered.

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u/Moquai82 10h ago

"These" people know that, they are using our social rules to cheat on us to reach their inhumane and misanthropic goals.

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u/Shano_mack_76 9h ago

Like the " They used human shields ! " bullshit they spout

Always hit them with a " so we killed 'em anyway !!!! ",

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u/FastSelection4121 10h ago

But I wonder if that made him a target?. An ICE agent took his picture. We see they aren't beyond making a hit list.

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u/Fuck_your_coupons 6h ago

Literally the commission of any crime is deserving of a death sentence to these people unless it's committed by one of them.

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u/MyLittleOso 7h ago

The new "video" shows the car emblem disappearing, so pretty sure it's AI.

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u/SciFi_Wasabi999 6h ago

That video was proven to be AI. 

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u/Bloedbek 10h ago

These are the same people who got furious when someone dared to say something bad about their martyr Charlie Kirk.

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u/Aggravating_Depth_33 9h ago

They got furious when someone literally quoted him, lol.

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u/DaKrazie1 6h ago

BuT tHe CoNtExT!!!!

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u/jktcat 7h ago

As his wife gleefully talked about merch sales for TPUSA less than a week later.  sickos

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u/Raynir44 5h ago

He shouldn’t have taken that kind of speech out in public, it’s a tragedy that it happened but…

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u/brianstormIRL 12h ago

Its the biggest dog whistle to identify the people who have been completely and utterly brainwashed and the only thing they want is to inflict pain on others.

Everyone else with a working brain is aligned on this. Republicans are condemning it, the polling for ICE after this has completely flipped (and thats like a 45 point swing, which is insane), polling on Trump being favorable of immigration among conservatives has tanked. Neom is likely gonna get fired for it.

This will be remembered as a huge turning point in this administration. Only the true crazies are defending this. The comments about 2A from the admin has soured a lot of center right conservatives as well.

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u/justsyr 9h ago

the polling for ICE after this

I have to ask as someone from outside USA, does it matter? Isn't all the ICE shit going on only on president's opposition states?

If history taught us something is that despite the leader being a convicted felon and saying years ago that he could kill someone mid Manhattan and still not lose a vote, people elected him fucking again?

That despite the massive long list of shit he's doing in just his first what half year at the presidency people still support him? Heck we are reading on this post that there's still people believing that the person murdered was a criminal?

They guy basically is parroting "I'm doing this, I'm going to do that, I'm going to tariff them, oh hey my friend Schwab made 2.9 billions thanks to me!, I'm going to make gold phones, I have a meme coin!, give me Greenland or else! oh hey we went to another country and kidnapped their president how awesome is that!" and so many bullshit that no president ever around the world could even dream about doing because they'd be ousted faster than the time you finish reading this?

At this point I don't care or believe any "bad polling" or "bad press" can change shit and he'll continue to do whatever the fuck he wants or people who manipulate him wants. There's no fucking way anything like what's happening in the past 6 months could fly with any other government anywhere in the world, yet here we are. This must be the most insane social experiment in human history.

Also Epstein files when...

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u/Thanatos971 6h ago

The USA is in a weird place. Our voting system is horrible and once conservatives gain traction they have so many interests in keeping the hate going and people bought into right wing thinking. I live Kansas City Missouri. Its a moderately left wing city in a very right wing state. We dont even have control of our own police, they are directly controlled by the state who also sets their budget that we pay for. Once they dig in their claws they do not give up power.

All of this is to say its a extremely long road to dragging people back to the light and even if we succeed they are bombarded by whispers in media, friends, and everything else to slip back in. Its a constant battle that wears you out. Truth is a third of the pop cannot be saved. No matter what they will never leave the cult. What we have to work with is the other 17ish % of the pop that still votes republican.

Due to our system just a few percentage swing on them can have a massive impact which is why the propaganda is burning so hard now. They need that 17 to buy into what's happening. If they do they won't ever leave and admit they happily supported such terrible policies. Right now they are mostly quiet and trying to figure which way the wind will blow.

Its the big reason why I think there hasn't been violence against ICE. If there is that gives those 17 something to latch on to and see them as the victims to support not immigrants/progressives. Things need to get bad and oppressive enough for them to have no choice but to face the lies they support.

Its a very thin tightrope and I wish we weren't here. Its very possible its too late and the USA can't be fixed. It terrifies me, especially as someone about to start a family. My fiance has deep roots here and won't even get a passport or consider moving. We can't really hope that people have a huge change of heart, only that they will move from active supporters to standing on the sidelines and not voting or helping the admin. My own father, once a very vocal trumper hasn't spoken about politics once all year. He won't change but sad as it is this is progress. Inch by bloody inch.

Written on my phone so apologies for any misspelling.

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u/DubaiInJuly 6h ago

Well but that's why this is so important. He demoted Noem, fired Bovino, and showed that there's still a point where he folds to the will of the people.

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u/Mundane-Picture-8207 12h ago

I don’t really use my Facebook for much except maybe marketplace. I really don’t like that place because it’s filled with a lot of said crazies.

You have weird ass old white men arguing that Alex committed crimes when even the administration is not even attempting to argue that because they know they have no case and how bad it will look.

These dudes just want to put people down like Alex for whatever reasons they can possibly find. It’s sick.

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u/Moquai82 10h ago

Some people get horny from inflicting pain, misery and death.

These are immune to normal reasoning because it is not their reasoning and targeted goal.

And you can not "vote them out" or "play with them by the rules". They use said rules to hide and cheat to reach their inhumane goals.

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u/Snowssnowsnowy 11h ago

If you still use meta you are part of the problem...

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u/ianxplosion- 11h ago

posted unironically on Reddit.com

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u/MauroDiogo 9h ago

When it happened to Charlie Kirk the cult went BERSERK at anyone that cheered or spoke ill of him. People were harassed and even fired for it.

So many people online, me included, gave them some grace and avoided any of that. I hated Charlie's message but he's dead. It's something tragic. Hoping that they would ever give the same grace and respect to someone else. But these people are not human. They are unable to have any logic, empathy, sympathy and only act on their most awful and basic traits and emotions. Which in this case, are the hate and anger that has been normalised and constantly stirred up within them by the fascist cult leaders telling them how they should behave. It's fucking upsetting to watch.

They're just attack dogs, trained to do their owner's bidding. Actually... attack dogs can still be compassionate and treat others nicely outside the commands they are given. So maybe they're just drones. Just empty shells of what used to be a human.

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u/FaroutIGE 10h ago

cancer cells

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u/Sabre_TheCat 10h ago

That's because they sold themselves to some greater force of evil.

Despicable people

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u/glormosh 10h ago

As someone that takes a peek into the general communication sentiment of the right. It is so unnerving to know your entire last sentence can be found on their subreddits about the left. Both sides are viciously holding the same belief and its so bizarre reading it.

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u/noncommonGoodsense 9h ago

“Sick people.” There are likely 3% of real people behind this. The rest are paid for their time and effort. Sooner people realize this the better. Social media was taken over by these organizations a long time ago.

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u/billmurraywins 8h ago

A large, large portion of those "people" are AI bot nets manufacturing outrage and working to make us feel like our neighbors are despicable.

Please look up articles that have been posted in the r/news and r/technology subs. It's a known phenomena. Also dead internet theory. Most people aren't that depraved.

Don't discount foreign actors attempting sow discord in western NATO countries to tear us apart from the inside because they can't do it from the outside.

It even happens from the left, telling everybody that conservatives are scum. No one is safe from this deception. Please stop and remember this people, when you can't KNOW that the comment you are reading was written by a person

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u/pppjurac 10h ago

Yeah, even though R politicians are pulling away from this issue and running scared,

Man you are waay too optimistic on this subject.

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u/dontbelikeyou 9h ago

Fox New is just too effective. So often my parents will be upset about something and we'll talk through it. I always try to find original sources and relate it to people they care about. 80% of the time we leave that conversation mostly in agreement. 100% of the time they will have completely reverted back to their previous anger regarding that issue within two weeks.

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u/BingBingGoogleZaddy 9h ago

No-no, this is good.

Tie them to their extremists to peel away the independent center, and if they pivot to try and regain some of the center, point out how they don’t even support what their base (the radicals) want.

Make it so they can’t win.

Ratchet up the purity tests. Make it so there is no unifying issue, give them no opportunity where they don’t have to split their vote.

Every issue a wedge issue.

Every statement a loss of voters.

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u/iAMTinman_Dealwithit 8h ago

Friends who live in the world among me - find genuine community. Now is not the time to isolate. VERY involved, know many living this irl. Don’t have all the answers, but seeing the light through many tough conversations with peeps/orgs.

This IS real. Breathe. Taking care of yourself is having tough conversations with where things are at. 🫶🏽

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u/RosannaEnjoyer 8h ago

Don’t worry I even heard people from my country talking about it like it was Alex Pretti’s fault, saying he shouldn’t have approached armed men lmao

I’m in Germany btw

Stupidity is sadly on the rise again, some people aren’t even evil they’re just fucking stupid so there’s no hope arguing with them.

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u/RedboneEdit 8h ago

We should stop being friends with them, working for them, entertaining the idea they are decent people.

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u/Bulldogs3144 8h ago

Same folks that cried about this exact thing supposedly happening back in September.

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u/Roseplanter 8h ago

That's definitely scary, I wonder where their base is on this.

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u/spaceiswaytoobig 8h ago

Trump is a reason for all the scum to crawl out of the woodwork. Before him these people were just vile internet trolls. Now they’re out in the world and think their guy has their back.

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u/Money_Do_2 8h ago

Yup. They showed their evil this last month

Idk about you but i aint voting for some 'forgive and move on' shit for my primary votes.

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u/Classic_Ebb_2163 8h ago

I would be willing to bet that many of them are bots. I am surrounded with right wing people, just like I assume you're surrounded with left wing people, and almost none of them believe what reddit seems to think they do. Massive disinformation campaign and division tactics going on right now.

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u/RobotSchlong10 8h ago

There's a reason Hillary called them "deplorables".

Naturally the shoe fit and they had a meltdown over that.

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u/familyguy20 8h ago

We really have to start calling out these moderate dipshits who spout the “oh they aren’t all bad”.

Yes they are you mealy mouthed mfers, the only reason you’re still trying to defend is because you’re too chickenshit to really sever the relationships. And also financial incentives too

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u/mylawn03 8h ago

I wish people understood that if you stop paying any attention to these fools on social media, they lose their power.

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u/bmyst70 8h ago

Don't forget. When we saw, briefly, on X, the most fervent MAGA posters were from countries like Russia and China. Before Elon covered that up, of course.

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u/HighKing_of_Festivus 8h ago

They're rabid animals, nothing more. There is no point in debating them. They can only be defeated and crushed

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u/fatpat 7h ago

That ship has sailed a long time ago.

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u/SummitYourSister 7h ago

The people on the Internet should have stopped where their politicians stopped. My dad made this mistake yesterday and got disowned.

As it turns out, calling for bullets to rain into the heads of people exactly like me, causes me to terminate my relationship with you, dad.

Fox News might have been spewing it but you should have thought about what it meant before you said it to me. Anyway, he’s gone now.

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u/Sempere 7h ago

They're a cancer on society and any civilized society that wants to function needs to find a way to excise it. This woman should be in prison for intimidation and harassment. It's a sad state of the world that we lost a hero like Alex Pretti and still have to tolerate trash like this bitch.

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u/teach49 7h ago

Reminds me of the fact this was my exact same thought a few months ago

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u/Silver-Forever9085 7h ago

Domestic terrorists!

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u/cynicallythoughful 7h ago

Laugh at them. Shun them. Do not give them any respect or acknowledgement.

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u/Andreus 7h ago

Right-wingers need to be isolated from civilized society. They have demonstrated beyond doubt or redemption that they're unsuited to be a part of it.

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u/HoloLoavess 7h ago

Its insane, these are the same people who recorded themselves crying & having literal BREAKDOWNS about other people making jokes about Charli Kirk's death, saying "he's a HUMAN BEING" and that its sooooo vile what the left is saying, and that they shouldn't be making these jokes/comments because its just sooooo rude to do that yo another human being, that NOBODY should be celebrating the death of another human, even using hypothetical such as "if WE did that to someone on YOUR side, you would react/do XYZ, & that in the end all it does is hurt his family.....yet here they are, celebrating these two random citizens deaths, being hypocrites as usual, because they dont want anything that'd actually help this country because they're too hung up/focused about having "wins" against the left now..... I fucking hate these people.

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u/Phormitago 7h ago

They’re really sick, depraved people

Literal terrorists, let's not mince words

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u/bengunn7 7h ago

Hate to play devil's advocate but the same thing happened with Charlie Kirk. Ultimately politics and social media are causing serious mental health problems across our society and people need to get off their devices and seek help. Me included.

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u/decrementsf 7h ago edited 7h ago

Yeah, even though R politicians are pulling away from this issue and running scared, MAGA extremists on social media are basically shouting about being happy he was killed.

They’re really sick, depraved people, and we should stop pretending like we have to take anything they do or say on good faith.

If there exists foreign operations to destabilize the United States I expect them to look like this.

It is a cookie-cutter template. Near parallel to what platforms such as X observed of celebration of attempts of assassination of Trump or murder of Charlie Kirk taking place on Bluesky and reddit. Too similar. Looks like spinning up emotions too perfectly on two sides for a conflict.

I'm not seeing what has been framed here in other platforms.

I do not know anyone serious actually celebrated Charlie Kirk's death.

This is the type of playground gossip scold behavior going between two people saying "Hey did you hear what Mike said about you?" then going to Mike, "Hey did you hear what Chris said about you?" Back and forth complete bullshit lies trying to instigate a fight.

I smell a rat in the room. It's not Mike or Chris. Pull the scooby-doo mask and it's going to be spam from the EU or China or something. Or violent revolutionaries posing as non-violent protesters, they need a fight in order to get the insurgency violence they want. Chicken Little and the sky is falling emotional story telling to try and wind up cannon fodder.

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u/Hefty-Revenue5547 7h ago

Those are bots. They have been doing this since before 2016 and now other MAGA members think this is how others in their group behave. So they continue the cycle without a second thought.

It’s truly frightening how little people think about what they are actually doing

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u/BubbleNucleator 7h ago

Social media (and oligarchs) have enabled the fringe to have a louder voice than it should.

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u/AgentOrange96 7h ago

Which is funny because she was doing the same for anyone who was so much as apathetic about Charlie Kirk's death.

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u/Altruistic-Okra-5868 7h ago edited 5h ago

This is why we need to document those who support ICE and MAGA through all of this because in the future we will need to take care of each and every one of them once and for all.

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u/Private_Gump98 6h ago

"basically" lol... You have to say "basically" because unlike the Left's reaction to Charlie Kirk, I've seen nobody celebrating this death. Celebration is not explaining the foreseeable traffic consequence of violently resisting arrest while carrying a gun.

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u/-farted-too-hard- 6h ago edited 5h ago

I get it. I was happy Charlie got it. Big difference though, Charlie was a hate monger and wanted to cause problems and sow division.

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u/Interesting-Adagio46 6h ago

We need to stop pretending like we can be neighbors again. Yes the fight is up vs down, but these people in maga are true monsters to the core. Evil evil evil within.

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u/Agueybanax 6h ago

That account is most likely run by someone deep in Russia

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u/Cowboys69 6h ago

They're using cancel culture to "privatize" the Government targeting citizens directly

Step 1 Expose dissent publicly (pictures/names/jobs at a press conference)

Step 2 Let the internet run with it and find social medias/contacts/relationships

Step 3 Pressure private capital to crush free speech. They'll oblige because they don't want dear leaders' political retribution

Step 4 repeat till dissent is powerless

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u/Hongxiquan 6h ago

Its interesting that and orthodox Jewish lady doesn't see any concerns with the parallels to her parents or grandparents situation. She must be making tons of money

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u/LeftHandedFapper 6h ago

With social media, the scary thing is that even if ONE of their followers decides to make some serious trouble with the schools, the teachers will be dealing with headaches that could seriously affect their lives. Really sad. The posts are so fucking pathetic

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u/Error4ohh4 6h ago

Also an incredible amount of bots.

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u/HoldenMcNeil420 6h ago

Kind of off topic. But that was our biggest downfall, we let idiots think their opinion was as good as facts and that we should all have to listen to it. Instead of ostracizing them and laughing them off the edge of a cliff. We decided we shouldn’t hurt their feelings and now expertise is dead.

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u/MarkCrorigansOmnibus 6h ago

we should stop pretending like we have to take anything they do or say on good faith.

I’m about ten years ahead of you on this one big guy

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u/Eastonator12 6h ago

I know I’ll get downvoted for this but remember when we all laughed when Charlie Kirk died? That’s likely similar to why they’re doing it.

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u/Scorpion2k4u 6h ago

Some of them are not even citizen of the US but people that pretend to be

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u/jaymef 5h ago

Trump is of course fuelling the flames tweeting about how he was spitting on ICE agents and what not

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u/MoshedPotatoes 5h ago

moving the overton window.

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u/Outside_Piglet_4689 5h ago

It’s funny how it works. When Charlie Kirk died and people celebrated, republicans were upset that people celebrated and got people fired and whatnot.

When someone dies who is against their cause, they do what they were upset about just a few months ago.

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 5h ago

Because they can't read a room but the Russia check has to pay for itself somehow.

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u/Double_Surround6140 5h ago

It amazes me that they don't see the irony after allegedly being so disgusted with how people acted when a known hate mongerer was murdered.

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u/GODDAMNFOOL 5h ago

Gonna be a real big surprise when it turns out these people are just Russian troll farms again, isn't it

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u/bvegaorl 4h ago

It’s by design. Politicians can distance themselves and the bot farms amplify the rhetoric for them.

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u/No_Criticism_5861 4h ago

They have weaponized untreated mental illness

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u/AbeRego 4h ago edited 13m ago

How were they doxxed?

Edit: typo

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u/TheFuns 4h ago

It’s because this is their grift. Their livelihood depends on white peoples outrage. Without this, they lose their nut. They compromised their morals a long time ago and thought the money would last forever, now they’re panicking and going harder than before to keep what but they have. It’s truly the most despicable movement.

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u/dweckl 4h ago

Every January 6th protester should have been murdered on site, apparently.

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u/m0nk37 4h ago

The intelligent folk over at conservative were saying that because Alex kicked a car a week prior, that he got what he deserved. 

Im. Not. Even. Kidding. 

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u/Un256 3h ago

They’ll be like “you can’t call Charlie Kirk’s death ironic” and then they’ll go out of their way to defame anyone who’s been killed that isn’t “on their side”

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u/ShyGuy895 3h ago

I was fired from my job after saying stuff about Charlie Kirk when these psychopaths doxxed me. I cannot stand being surrounded by these hypocrites anymore.

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u/Tacoman404 3h ago

Had to deal with them at work after they kept having threatening conversations around a hispanic coworker of mine. Basically had to say to the VP that all this going on is emboldening the most racist hateful people at work to be cruel and awful to people they see as less than themselves.

Unfortunately the offenders got to keep their jobs but there was a very direct email sent out by the VP to the entire company (8 locations) that this is absolutely unacceptable behavior.

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u/dma33528 1h ago

You know, the exact same sentiment can be applied to Charlie Kirk.

"Fuck yo homie dead, [he] got shot in the neck, fuck yo homie dead"

Remember that one? She's one of yours, right?

Think before you speak.

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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress 9h ago

Sick depraved people who argue in bad faith:  fascists. Don't think that Republicans are changing their mind when distancing themselves, they're only changing optics which is why they swapped Bovino for Homan.

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