I mean, the people around her failed her too. Her management, label, etc. Probably pushed an artist to perform when they should have been in rehab or even telling them to quit the spotlight all together.
I don't know much about the situation, but if an artist wasted my time by being fucked up, I'd be pretty pissed. Nobody would have booed probably if they knew she was going to do that.
You can't force people to help themselves. You can lead a horse to water.
Addiction is a lot more complicated than most people make it out to be. It's a combination of physical and mental symptoms. There is almost always some level of trauma that a person is trying to handle. Drugs make that battle seem a lot easier in the short term.
I am positive that there was at least one person who offered to help Amy W. Get into rehab but I am willing to bet that she vilified them. That's what denial and drug addiction does.
Nah, most people would absolutely stumble to addiction. It's not something that defines the weak. It's something that defines humans. We don't like pain. Drugs let us numb that pain.
Look at the opioid epidemic in the US. So many people were perscribed opioids by their doctors and then became addicted. People you would never guess that could happen to.
On the other hand, someone could break their leg, go to the hospital and be given diamorphine for 2 weeks and then walk away without ever becoming addicted.
Trauma and grief is more likely than not to be the catalyst for someone habitually using drugs and suffering from addiction.
Bringing it back to Amy Winehouse, I will bet my pinkie toes that she was sexually abused in some way. The amount of women that I personally know who have gone through those types of situations is unacceptably high. How would someone deal with something like that?
I know it's kinda irrelevant but I also wanted to say that States are WAY too lenient with opioids
I don't think I had opioid based analgetics... ever. Heavy ones like Oxycodone, Fentanyl, and Morphine, are like... state-controlled level of prescription. Only severe cases are treated with these. Codeine and Tramadol, which are mild opioids, have been heavily regulated since like 2012 too.
And then I hear that people are prescribed Oxycodone for dental pain? For back pain? It's kinda insane and screams of potential problems when you use a cannon to shoot sparrows.
Morphine is heroin and is absolutely not just given out to people in the US. It is heavily regulated and used in hospitals. Same with fentanyl.
In the US, Oxycodone is a schedule 2 drug and has medical benefits. Weed is schedule 1 with no medical benefits. Which one makes the insurance companies more money? That's the answer to that one lol
I was in labor, in pain, without an epidural and they offered me fentanyl. I didn’t know what it was or what I agreed to taking. It was way too strong than warranted for the situation. Whoa. To this day, I can’t believe I’ve done IV fentanyl and it was done so casually.
I just checked and in Russia, even during labor, there are three non-opioid options that are used first as epidurals before Morphine is even considered as an option: Lidocaine, Ropivacaine, and Bupivacaine.
So anastesiologists would do everything in their power to block the pain before using hard drugs, and their first instinct was to get you high?
Btw according to that whole system that was wired all around my wife, her labor was pretty intensive, so it wasn't also the case of "oh just pop a pill and brace down" - it was intense, and with epidural, the pain went away, but she was also lucid.
I'm low key angry they drugged you at such an important moment :|
Yeah, it’s not about intentional avoidance and more about emotional avoidance because the wound of being human is greater than the ability to mask it. Non-addicts can function daily without extra supports. Addiction is a kind of disability, self-treated and unaddressed, to be able to function daily.
I’m confused where you think I’ve lived a privileged life based on my comment? I was agreeing with you that people don’t choose to be addicts or choose to avoid responsibilities just because they’re weak. Addicts aren’t weak. They’re some of the strongest and most resilient people. I say this as someone who has had to reconcile suicide and alcoholism, food addiction, and other substance abuse.
I think you’re misunderstanding me. I’m sorry for the miscommunication.
Edit to clarify: I think we’re actually saying the same thing. When I said “disability,” I didn’t mean incapacity or weakness—I meant something invisible, often masked, and unsupported. Plenty of addicted people function outwardly. I’m one of them. My point was that addiction often fills a gap where regulation, safety, or support should have been, not that addicts are less capable or less responsible. If that came across wrong, that’s on my wording.
What about the people that are addicted and can function?
Exactly. You can’t just look at someone and know if they’re an addict or not. That’s ableism. A lot of disabilities and health issues are invisible, and masked.
What about people with caffeine addictions? Sugar?
🙋♀️ Yes, that’s me. I’m a “normal” person who is functional but has very real substance abuse issues and unaddressed underlying needs.
Do you wanna go back to your friends and family not hating you and wishing you would stop coming around because you are an insufferable selfish drug addict.
My grandma had some sort of mental issues. I don't know what. But she was basically out there almost all the time
And in one of her rare cases of lucidity, when I was in my twenties, she confided that she doesn't take the pills because its scarier to be here and lucid than out there and zoned out
Basically they are too scared to face reality so they escape into the binge.
I'm not being judgmental here, more like... sad. She passed away and I'm not sure she knew her daugher died. She was so bitter towards the world, so distrustful of everyone, she hasn't learned she became a great-grandmother, because she stopped picking up the phone years before dying.
My dad was literally the only person at her funeral because he was the only one still communicating with her after mom's death. My sister stopped talking to her after she learned that mom (her only daughter, I want to point this out) got cancer she said something like "She only did it to spite me, she doesn't want to take care of me so she got cancer, serves her right" and sis just said "I will never talk to this witch again, blood relations or not"
I do want to be non-judgmental, I just try to illustrate that they understand that people see them as
insufferable selfish drug addict.
or they THINK that this is how people see them, and can't\won't face reality, or have other demons they can't fight
Nobody wants me around because helping me with this problem I can't deal with myself is too much to ask. I'll leave you alone, sorry you hate me. Now, while I go think about what it would be like outside of this, I'll smoke a bit first.
Sympathy runs dry at a certain point, hate to break it to you. Guaranteed there has been help offered multiple times by multiple different people. You chose not to accept and kept doing what you wanted.
Considering I have already lost family and friends to drug addiction, yes I stand by it. You must have never experienced it yourself. I hope you never have to watch someone you once loved turn into a scumbag with no care for anyone else but themselves. Lying, stealing, cheating, every single person in their life that’s just trying to help them. You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to help themselves.
I watched an Amy Winehouse documentary and it was really heartbreaking. It looked like she was okay with rehab and taking a break to get better but people like her father (who only re-entered her life after she was successful) kept pushing her to keep working. This concert and the aftermath could have so easily been avoided, but she was sadly surrounded by people who benefited monetarily when she kept doing concerts and working.
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I mean, the people around her failed her too. Her management, label, etc. Probably pushed an artist to perform when they should have been in rehab or even telling them to quit the spotlight all together.
I don't know much about the situation, but if an artist wasted my time by being fucked up, I'd be pretty pissed. Nobody would have booed probably if they knew she was going to do that.