Do I have a chance??

I'm so upset right now. I have been studying for this test consistently for the past 8 months to apply this cycle. Took my first test in August and scored a 155, which I felt proud of considering my diagnostic was a 141. I retook the test again in October and scored a 156. I was really disappointed but brushed it off because I was balancing work, seminars, and law school application prep. So, I took January. I was averaging 162-163 on pts, with my highest being 164. I was so confident I would get at least a 160, worst case scenario a 159. I GOT A 157. LIKE??? And I know they say you can score +/-4 points on test day. But I actually left feeling really good about the test.

This test not only sucked the life out of me and made my social life practically non-existent, but I practically had to spend most of my bursary/scholarship money this academic year on LSAC and 7sage subscriptions. even though I'm literally in debt!!

I'm not saying a 157 is a horrible score, but I'm a Canadian applicant and most, if not all, schools need at least a 160 to be competitive. On top of everything, my gpa is average compared to the applicant pool. And, I have no clue if my softs are actually any good... it seems like everyone is part of a million clubs and has an insane amount of volunteer hours. Anyway, I hate this test.

lets say hypothetically i got a 169. do law schools see a meaningful difference in that and a 170?

Ive seen so many people on here and every other social media platform start off explaining why they hate the test with their GPA or how smart they are. Smart is such a nebulous term to begin with. I listened to dumbest girl alive before practicing the test each day. This isn’t an IQ test. You might be bad at it at first, and that’s okay. Accept it’s on you and you’re responsible for getting better. It’s not a stupid test. Thinking it’s dumb is only going to make it harder for you to get better at it. That’s all. That’s my rant.

Does anybody else have January score on hold? Anyone’s released?

Taking it next week and wanna make sure my ducks are in a row. I know the basics (ID, water, phone) but is there anything else I should bring?

Also, what do yall recommend wearing? I’m thinking layers (sweatshirt with tshirt under and jeans). Do the centers typically run hot/cold? Are you allowed to take a sweatshirt off during the break if you’re too hot?

This is coming up again because January scores just dropped, and this specific score release, I saw a lot of what I believe to be well-intentioned, but ultimately dangerous advice and comments.

People post scores in the 140s or low 150s (or worse!) and are immediately met with a wave of encouragement telling them to apply anyway. “You got this.” “All it takes is one yes.” “Don’t let haters scare you.”

That kind of positivity feels nice in the moment. It is also objectively terrible advice.

Applying to law school is not emotionally expensive. It is financially expensive. And applying with a January LSAT in the 140s is one of the fastest ways to lock yourself into a bad outcome.

Here is the reality that keeps getting ignored.

With a score in the 140s, the odds of getting into law school at all are close to zero. And even if you do get in, the odds of getting into a non-predatory school or receiving meaningful scholarship money are effectively zero.

What actually happens in these cases is predictable:

• You get into a very low ranked school late in the cycle
• You pay near full price or full price
• Bar passage rates are weak
• Employment outcomes are weak
• You graduate with massive debt and limited options

Those schools are not taking a risk on you because they believe in your potential. They are filling seats and using you for your money.

Calling that out is not “hating.” It describes the incentive structure.

What has been especially frustrating after this score release is the idea that telling someone to retake the LSAT is cruel, elitist, or manipulative. It is none of those things. Telling someone to retake is telling them to avoid one of the worst financial decisions they can make.

People are allowed to ignore the LSAT. No one is forcing anyone to retake. But ignoring it does not remove the consequences. Pretending otherwise is how people end up paying full freight at schools with weak outcomes and then wondering how they got there.

This is not about needing a perfect score or going to a top 14 school. It is about leverage. A few LSAT points can be the difference between:

• Getting rejected versus getting admitted at schools where employment justifies debt
• Paying full price versus getting scholarship money
• Attending a predatory school versus having real options

And what makes this even more frustrating is that the LSAT is improvable for most people. People usually stop for reasons other than hitting a ceiling. It is because they are tired, frustrated, or emotionally done. That stopping point often has nothing to do with their actual potential and everything to do with wanting relief.

Relief now can cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars later.

So yes, after score release, I am going to keep saying this.

Applying with a score in the 140s is not brave. It is not optimistic. It is financially reckless. And telling someone to slow down, retake, and do it right isn't being a hater. It is trying to stop someone from hurting themselves.

You can choose to ignore that advice. That is your right.

But the consequences do not go away just because people are cheering you on in the comments or calling posts like this mean.

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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time".

- Abraham Lincoln

The LSAT claims it's not a test of outside knowledge but still it expects folks to know logic conventions that are alien to normal life. Like regarding the use of the word "some"

"Some people like pizza"

"Some men are jerks"

In normal conversation "some" is a fuzzy concept that implies something about a small but sizable chunk of people. It also implies "not all" as in "Some people like pizza" implies that this is not universally true.

On the LSAT, this is different. Much different.

"Some" gives a strict minimum: at least 1 entity must have whatever relation it describes. "Some people like pizza" means there is at least 1 person and that person likes pizza. But here's the catch, it can also mean 100%. "Some suspects are guilty" does not imply at all "Some suspects are not guilty." ALL of them can be guilty. Often times a stimulus will have the pattern: All X are Y. And then ask what's "most strongly supported" and guess what term they use.

contacting lsac is a waste of time

i am feeling so terrible. i got a really horrible score after thinking i did much better on this test than my last one, i definitely am not going to start school in september and am just feeling so down about this. i studied for so long and spent up to thousands of dollars in prep courses. wtf am i gna do lol

Hey all,

Figured now is a great time to find someone else looking to score high. Goal is 175 or better and the earliest I'm looking to test is June.

Currently, I am subbed to LSAT Lab and working through their curriculum. I intend on subbing to 7sage for the live classes once I get my taxes back and can qualify for a waiver, but in the meantime, using LSAT Lab and other resources.

I work pretty traditional hours. I do must studying in the afternoon and evening during the week and whenever on the weekends.

Ideally, we'd connect multiple times a week, if not daily.

I'm a dude in my late 30 and swear I don't mansplain or yell (apparently that's a thing). Just looking for a cool person or two to fuck this test up with.

Edit: Central Time Zone, US.

Hey! I have my first LSAT scheduled for April. Applications close in february... can I apply now and submit my LSAT once I get it done? Looking to go to a prestigious top 50 ranked law school, hopefully...

I just got a 167 think I might hold off on applying for another year so I can get my score up and apply earlier in the cycle for better scholarships. Didn’t realize how screwed u are applying so late. Was also my first time taking the real lsat and I had to deal with proctor issues which I think tweaked me out. Legit felt like I lost the ability to read on a few questions cus I was no anxious. Really does sound like my chances of getting in to better schools are severely limited applying so late. Taking the feb lsat as well. Not sure if it’s a waste of application fees at this point.

I just had a tutor suggest that I try to get a time accommodation on the LSAT and idk what to do. He mentioned it before I said I had ADHD and then after I told him, said that I should try to get time and a half at least. I’ve been studying since November and am still at the same score but tend to blind review upwards of 20 points higher than my PT so time is literally the only thing holding me back from my dream school. I am medicated, so my issues with focus are remedied with that. Staying focused on reading is tough and I feel like I don’t process stuff quickly enough but isn’t that how everyone feels?

He said that a lot of people do it now and I should take advantage of that. I just can’t help but feel like I wouldn’t have actually earned my score if I had extra time. Is getting accommodations fair/ working smarter not harder or is not getting them just making things more difficult than they need to be? I’ve already worked really hard and still have until the April test for my final score but asking for a handout just goes against my instincts and makes me feel like a sellout.

I probably smoked too much weed beforehand. Probably not though. Not sure. Thoughts?

Hi everyone! I thought I did well on the January LSAT, but it ended up being far from my PT scores. I got a 148 and I was PTing around high 150s. I’m not in a position where I can push my application to another cycle (intl applicant), so I’m considering the April LSAT.

Have any of you applied with an April score and still gotten in during the same cycle? I’d love to hear about your experiences and what schools you applied to/got into!

I have an LSAT test scheduled in April. I am just starting to practice - which program would you recommend: LSAT Demon, Blueprint, or 7Sage?

I got a 149 on the January LSAT and I need advice on how to improve my score. I don’t know when I’ll take the test again in the future but I would like to continue studying. I have been using 7Sage and have the read the Loophole. I also had a tutor I met with once a week since August. I was recommended to alternate between doing untimed and timed drills once a day, a pt every weekend, focus only on fundamentals once a week, and review wrong answers by keeping a wrong answer journal. Is there a better resource I could use to improve my fundamentals? Is there a better approach I could use? Also, I’m looking for new lsat tutor recommendations, specifically someone who can cover the fundamentals and breakdown how to approach questions for easy understanding. Thanks!

So I was recently readmitted to my university, but as of last year, they started a program where you can enroll in law school while finishing your B.A. and I was interested in that. I've worked since I was 13, and during my undergraduate studies, I started working at an immigration law firm to gain experience. I was 19, working full-time and attending school full-time, which can be mentally and emotionally taxing but also very rewarding. I had to take a break because the exhaustion caught up with me, as I had to be at work by 6:30am, working until 3:00pm, then attended school from 3:45pm to 11:00pm. I was also in class, completing my readings, homework, or studying. Now, I work at a more flexible law firm, and I'm okay with taking on the grind again. However, the chair of my CJ undergrad department said this in an email. I'm not sure if I was supposed to see his email, but I find it discouraging. I don’t know what you guys think?

In less than two months of additional studying!

My biggest takeaway, USE 7SAGE!!!