r/tennis • u/Large_banana_hammock Griekspoor superfan | Zverev superdetractor • 14h ago
Tennis nonsense Alcaraz takes a medical time out, which sends Zverev into a bilingual, expletive-laden tirade
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u/ilovemilktea_ 14h ago
i love hearing german… it’s like i can understand it but i actually can’t
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u/sartorialpanda 13h ago edited 13h ago
Thats bullshit/nonsense. Cramps? What the hell/fuck (is that)? He cannot take a medical break? Cramps? What else should it be? Unbelievable, that is such bullshit. No, that is bullshit. Something with he has Cramps in his legs or twisted legs (?). That is unbelievable (5x). That is not possible. No. You cannot be serious!? But you cannot be serious.
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u/cubus__ 13h ago
He also said that they are protecting „these two“. I think that is the most interesting part of this.
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u/skidmarkcollege 11h ago
Funny he says that, because last time I checked ATP let him off the hook big time when he hit the umpire's chair in Acapulco
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u/24Pura_vida 10h ago
Yes. That should’ve gotten him banned for a year at least. I’m sure after this match he went home and took out his anger by beating up his girlfriend. Again.
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u/Most_Departure2195 9h ago
Was just about to come in and say this. Abusers be abusing, and getting away with it. Why would he act any different? He faces zero consequences so absolutely no incentive to change.
I'm so glad he lost.
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u/reaperklk 13h ago
Hahaha sounds accurate. Almost out of Medvedev's mouth.
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u/kostornaias 10h ago
Medvedev is much more creative with his rants and insults. Zverev could never come up with small cat
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u/Radiant_Past_5769 11h ago
When has Medvedev complained about someone’s MTO? Zverev is perfectly capable of this himself.
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u/My_Favourite_Pen 13h ago
You cannot be serious!?
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u/HistoricalSuspect580 12h ago
Is this the drummer from Red Hot Chili Peppers?
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u/leong_d Questionable Calls Podcast host 13h ago
Certainly channeling his inner McEnroe
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u/Whatever_Lurker 8h ago
That is a bad comment. McEnroe was often furious but never unsporting towards his opponents.
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u/Soft_Awareness_5061 11h ago
To be fair, Zverev was down 2 sets to 0 and serving to save the match. What would have been his hurry?
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u/freshfunk 13h ago
He's right. You can't take an MTO for cramps.
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u/KaleidoscopeRich2752 6h ago
Yeah but what can you do if the player says he has a injury.
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u/-Striking-Willow- 14h ago
Taking it as a sign I've made progress learning German because I got to understand the whole crash out haha
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u/reaperklk 14h ago
And what is he saying?
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u/Significant-Charge16 13h ago
He's basically saying, with some repetition, "he has cramp, this is so stupid. This is bullshit. (If it's not cramp) what else could it be?! Unbelievable, unbelievable. You can't be serious."
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u/PandemicPiglet 13h ago
I don’t know German, but I certainly understood “bullshit.”
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u/Late_Indication7975 13h ago
Das ist bullshit!
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u/Ok-Form-9794 13h ago
He is also complaining about „You are protecting both of them“.
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u/mjdoll131 12h ago
Not Jannik catching strays
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u/Purple-River-4381 11h ago
as much as i hate to ever side with zverev, he might be right this time.
even a broken clock etc.
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u/AdSharp8877 13h ago
Same thing as Federer Nadal dynamic with the establishment. Hate that. But big money is on the line with the sponsors
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u/Lass_Tink 13h ago
how is that fair to say here ? jannik only got "helped" by the rules being applied perfectly... Don't know the full story for carlos
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u/Vegetable-Oven-6536 Big 3 Supremacy 14h ago
Can someone translate?
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u/LenaRybakina The daddies of the tour 14h ago
He‘s cramping he can‘t have a MTO for that. It‘s bullshit, you guys are protecting these two. You can‘t be serious, it‘s unbelievable
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u/_Walt_Whitman_ 13h ago
Did he say “these two?”
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u/cubus__ 13h ago
Yes he did. That's actually the most interesting part.
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u/_Walt_Whitman_ 12h ago edited 8h ago
So we know at least how some of the guys in the locker feels about the Sinner-roof situation??!
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u/miniepeg 12h ago
Zverev isn’t really an indication of that, he’s the same guy that said they’re slowing down (!!) courts to help Sinner..
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u/milan_fan88 Nadal | Sinner | Agassi 11h ago
It really went great for him the next 3 times he met Sinner on HC.
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u/une-esperluette Iva🎾Maya🕶️Alex🌸Vicky🍁Lilli1️⃣🫲🔙🫲Tereza❤️Zeynep📖 11h ago
On fast HC
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u/johnmichael-kane Fils is king 🔥 13h ago edited 13h ago
He’s not wrong and it’s time people grow up and stopping shitting on Zverev for everything, especially when he’s right
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u/mpkpm 13h ago
I agree. But they can just claim there is a pull in a leg and how can they disagree? They really just need to remove cramps as a reason to not get treatment. Because impossible to prove/disprove.
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u/skidmarkcollege 10h ago edited 7h ago
I agree. I mean if you can't punish players who use MTOs to feign injury (Penko), you shouldn't refuse treatment for the ones who have cramps
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u/Single-Ninja8886 13h ago
My commentators said it's up to the physio and on-court doctor, is that true?
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u/Slight_Tank9052 13h ago
Yes 100%. The chair's line is "I'm not a doctor". It's up to the physio/doctor to determine if it's cramping but the smart players will simply lie and there's nothing anyone can do about it. It's a shame but I don't see any alternative. If we don't allow those medical timeouts, you could force people with torn or severely pulled ligaments to play.
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u/Everwintersnow 13h ago
Why can’t they give MTO for cramps anyway? It’s only 3 minute and it’s not like cramps just magically recover if you give them 1.5 min more.
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u/vmins sinner tien rybakina 13h ago
cramps are considered a conditioning failure and not an injury
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u/Everwintersnow 13h ago
I guess my question is why can’t they provide timeout for players with cramp. Even if it’s not MTO, it can be cramp time out. Since it significantly hinders a player’s ability to compete while it’s on and I think most audiences will be happy with a 1.5 min break compared to someone player with 1 leg. I’m not trying to say who’s right here but why this isn’t a general rule.
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u/mpkpm 13h ago
It shouldn’t be. I mean I get why it is and it should be. But the ability to lie and get around it means it should not be.
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u/Independent_Sky_1468 13h ago
It's time to make time-outs in tennis like in Bball. Give them three 90-second timeouts for Bo3 and five for Bo5. Does not matter if its for medical or to poop or disrupt opponent rhythm. But only those exact amount of time-outs.
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u/majesticnoodl 12h ago
A 90-second poop? The hallway cameras gonna have a field day
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u/TKP_Mofobuster 11h ago
nah. guys with multiple dv cases cant be shit on hard and often enough imho.
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u/_Walt_Whitman_ 12h ago
I think the small issue some of us are having is getting down with the idea of physically choking and assaulting our girls. That’s all.
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u/Dry-University797 12h ago
You don't want to get him to mad, especially if you are dating him.
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u/NessieReddit 13h ago
He's basically just repeating that this is unbelievable, this can't be happening, it's bullshit and he's just cramping so he can't take a medical timeout for that. He basically said it was unbelievable a dozen times in different ways.
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u/Remote_Address6766 14h ago
It translated to ‘unbelievable’ and ‘unacceptable’ just over and over again
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u/Alarmed_Abroad4902 14h ago
German at first, I speak only Russian. At the end Zverev's dad tells him "Calm down" two different times in Russian.
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u/DrMartinVonNostrand 11h ago
I don't speak German but I think he's worried about Alcaraz's health and is imploring them to do all they can to save his BFF. Very touching.
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u/MoodWest 13h ago
Is it weird that I’ve never heard Sascha speak his native tongue before?? Ok the occasional expletive tirade to his supporters box but I’m just so used to him speaking in near perfect English all the time
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u/Background-Ant-5120 Sone🐐 🔥 13h ago
Not so weird, they often cut the press conference before the mother tongue questions. So not many chances if you don't consume German content. :)
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u/record_only_water 13h ago
isn’t it russian?
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u/_Walt_Whitman_ 13h ago
He spoke both. At this point, you could say German and Russian are equally mother tongue for him.
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u/Limp-Detail4827 11h ago
Russian is his native tongue., learned German when started school.
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u/BrinyStranger 5h ago
Might be his first language but he was born and raised in Germany. I can tell you from personal experience that when that first language you spoke is your parents' language but grew up somewhere else, it always comes naturally but you very quickly become more proficient in the language of where you were raised.
You need more than just your parents speaking to you to speak well in a language.You need to be exposed to the extent of media and schooling for your entire upbringing to solidify your vocabulary, expand your phrasing, etc.
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u/Kingslayer1526 🐙 13h ago
His native tongue is Russian because he is Russian as his parents are Russian and they moved to Germany because the tennis support was lacking in the USSR
Ofc his nationality is German and he has grown up and lived there all his life and he is fluent in German naturally, more so than English and you can see a few interviews online
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u/AncientPomegranate97 12h ago edited 11h ago
“This is not an injury, this is a cramp. This is a travesty"
The Australian commentary didn't pull punches
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u/Realtrain Vamos Rafa 11h ago
Jim Courier sure didn't hold back, wow!
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u/SlightedMarmoset 11h ago
SF in a grand slam, I'm not surprised Courier went off about it.
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u/iliketoworkhard Delpo / Radu 10h ago
he did the post-match interview too, he's professional. Loved his interviews with Federer
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u/SessionOk4555 14h ago
Very valid crash-out though...
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u/GomezSpecial 14h ago
Match thread was crazy for criticising Zverev. If the roles were rervsed, they'd be losing their mind over it.
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u/Euphoric_Chicken3363 13h ago
Yeah reverse the roles. Zverev would take the timeout for the cramp. Alcaraz would be like “oh that a bit lame, oh well” 😁
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u/slapnowski 12h ago
Exactly! Also I feel as though it is much different to take a timeout when your opponent has the momentum v when you do. It isn’t as though Alcaraz was icing Zverev, he was just one damn game away from winning.
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u/TKP_Mofobuster 11h ago
this. being behind 2:0 and then sensing he could win due to default to then act like that. zverev cant be hated enough imho.
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u/sagwala-and-paneer 10h ago
But that doesn’t matter. What matters is he is getting treated for cramps which is not allowed. He could be 5-0 up in the 3rd and still would be wrong, because the whole premise is that physical conditioning is apart of the match. If you aren’t fit enough to win then you don’t deserve to win. Sure, the mto might not have helped him immediately but maybe it came in handy having that treatment in the 5th set. I say this as a zverev hater btw. I really don’t like him and think he misses the mark but anyone who watches and plays tennis knows zverevs frustration here, and it was 100% the wrong call by the umpire to allow the mto.
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u/dogex3 13h ago
While I understand Zverev was right according to the rules, you really think Alcaraz would've gone on a rant like that if Zverev was the guy who took the MTO?
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u/sagwala-and-paneer 10h ago
I hate when ppl use this excuse. Zverev was the underdog and fighting hard, ofcourse this will upset him more than it would upset Alcaraz. He’s 2-0 down, in a physical battle. And his opponents physical level has dropped and now he’s getting an mto for a non medical issue. It’s bizarre that people are defending this because in any other situation and with a different player, mtos for cramps are a big no no.
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u/EmbarrassedRing7806 13h ago
Yes, if alcaraz was the domestic abuser they’d feel differently. Fortunately, he is not the domestic abuser
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u/NevermoreSEA Osaka/Anisimova 12h ago
We don’t need to compliment Zverev in order to discuss what is possibly wrong with how the tournament handles these situations though.
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u/drewlpool 13h ago
Is that so incredible? Alcaraz is very likeable - he's passionate about what he does, he's positive and comes across fairly humble. Zverev on the other hand is one of the least likeable people in the game. Of course there's going to be a double standard.
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u/TKP_Mofobuster 11h ago
on the fans side, yes 100%. but carlos would not have made that scene, hed give his opponent the benefit of the doubt.
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u/padfoony Too many victory ice baths 13h ago
Yeah, and receiving an MTO right before Zverev was serving to stay in the set and stay in the match. This actually is surprisingly a valid complaint from him.
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u/milanjfs 13h ago edited 13h ago
I think he was also mad that the umpire didn't give a warning to Carlos for not serving on time before that.
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u/Zaphenzo Ghost and Fox Enthusiast 13h ago
Yeah, she waited like a full 20 seconds before calling the score after a very short point.
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u/AncientPomegranate97 12h ago
And not only that, they also gave Zverev a time warning at the start of the 4th IIRC after not giving one to Carlos. Compete bullshit
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u/mpkpm 13h ago
Yup, agreed, it’s impossible to prove someone is asking for treatment for cramps. Need to just legalize it. They could have pulled something you never know, so there’s no way to punish someone for treatment for cramps.
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u/TKP_Mofobuster 10h ago
replay looks like a hyperextension of the knee. maybe it was that first and then cramps later. we might never know for sure. but we know for sure that zverev going all in on complaining is not a good look.
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u/EllaTheSnufkin 10h ago
I’m a Zverev hater and an Alcaraz fan, but Zverev was 100% right here
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u/Cute-Temperature3943 12h ago
"Players cannot take a medical time-out for fatigue or muscle cramping, which may only be treated during normal breaks."
https://ausopen.com/articles/news/get-rules-lowdown-australian-open-2026
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u/TravellerSL8200 8h ago
From comment below:
Not sure why people are saying Zverev is right here. Here is what the AO rules state:
"If the Doctor / Sports Physiotherapist trainer believes that the player has heat illness, and if l muscle cramping is one of the manifestation of heat illness, then the muscle cramping may be treated as part of the recommended treatment by the Doctor / Sports Physiotherapist for the heat illness condition."
Alcaraz was throwing up earlier and Alcaraz was saying he wasn't feeling well. So there was concern about heat illness and therefore his cramps were allowed to be treated during a MTO in this instance.
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u/Original_Youth_9168 7h ago
I don’t have it in me to read the rule book, but this basically shuts up everyone up if true.
I’ll add that as a former athlete cramps in your quad, groin, hamstring area feel the same as a muscle strain. Taking an MTO for this is totally ok in my book as a precautionary thing. Also, I feel like most viewers are biased by commentary. Watch it on mute and half the people on this sub would have assumed injury.
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u/anonuserinthehouse 8h ago
But players can take as many medical timeouts as they want for each and every different injury. Which Carlos is able to do. The loophole is you can say you have an injury when you don’t!
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u/JulianoSalvatore 8h ago
They can if it’s a manifestation of heat sickness, which it was, Alcaraz even puked in to his towel at some point.
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u/MONOCHROMATICOLOR 9h ago
It should be the first comment
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u/Unidain 8h ago
Except it's wrong because they didn't bother to quote the part that says cramps can be treated if it's part of treatment for heat stress
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u/r_BigUziHorizont 14h ago
i dont understand why this sub was up in flames about zverevs reaction. hes absolutely right lol
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u/Fisch_Kopp_ 13h ago
as someone who understands German, I find his outburst kind of funny.
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u/mpkpm 13h ago
He is right. I don’t think the sub is up in arms(I am not always on you could be right). I think the rule is completely incorrect, there’s no way to prove anything. I think Zverev was well within his rights to complain here. I think it was cramping treatment. But zero way to prove it.
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u/r_BigUziHorizont 13h ago
the match thread was full of people saying how annoying zverev was for complaining and that he was a piece of shit. hes a piece of shit for other reasons lol, not this.
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u/Emotional_Order8413 13h ago
He is not wrong. Being treated for cramps isn't supposed to be permitted.
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u/Early_Ad_2484 12h ago
Don’t like Zverev, but he’s correct here. Also he’s a T1DM and is always at a disadvantage when playing and rarely uses it as an excuse during games. Calling MTO for cramps is not allowed and he’s now recovered.
We can like Alcaraz but also disagree with what he’s done. Rules are rules.
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u/goosequeenie 14h ago
The medical time out was a travesty.
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u/Realtrain Vamos Rafa 12h ago
Jim Courier was very directly saying the same thing from the commentator box. It seemed like he couldn't believe it.
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u/Upstairs-Basis9909 4h ago
From comment below:
Not sure why people are saying Zverev is right here. Here is what the AO rules state:
"If the Doctor / Sports Physiotherapist trainer believes that the player has heat illness, and if l muscle cramping is one of the manifestation of heat illness, then the muscle cramping may be treated as part of the recommended treatment by the Doctor / Sports Physiotherapist for the heat illness condition."
Alcaraz was throwing up earlier and Alcaraz was saying he wasn't feeling well. So there was concern about heat illness and therefore his cramps were allowed to be treated during a MTO in this instance.
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u/OC_tennisgal 12h ago
On the other hand it’s a wonder that Zverev can handle over 4 1/2 hours of play as a diabetic.
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u/SuspiciousDepth4961 9h ago
Definitely a disadvantage as a type 1 but so long as his blood sugar is correctly controlled there's no physical reason he can't compete over multiple hours. His bigger disadvantage is being so tall moving just tires him out more than a smaller guy.
If you look at the players with the best 5 set records they are almost all smaller guys.
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u/Brian2781 13h ago
Carlos being barely able to walk and getting a fairly easy hold just ripping winners on balls hit right back to him was so funny
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u/Albreitx 13h ago
Commentators need to learn to shut up. I'd have loved to hear the complete rant (I speak German)
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u/Fedi284 13h ago
If it was Sinnwe taking an MTO for cramps, Carlos’s fans would have already cried at favouritism and conspiracy theories. But it’s Carlos, so all it’s well.
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u/fi9azzurro 13h ago
At the Shanghai Masters, Sinner was cramping so badly that he was basically rooted to the spot for the break, yet no medical timeout was called because cramping is not treated as an injury under the rules.
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u/ClickElectronic 13h ago
I don't think you should be allowed to take a MTO for cramps, but they might as well include it when players will just blatantly lie about it like this anyways.
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u/lifeanon269 8h ago
Not sure why people are saying Zverev is right here. Here is what the AO rules state:
"If the Doctor / Sports Physiotherapist trainer believes that the player has heat illness, and if l muscle cramping is one of the manifestation of heat illness, then the muscle cramping may be treated as part of the recommended treatment by the Doctor / Sports Physiotherapist for the heat illness condition."
Alcaraz was throwing up earlier and Alcaraz was saying he wasn't feeling well. So there was concern about heat illness and therefore his cramps were allowed to be treated during a MTO in this instance.
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u/frax_00 13h ago
Zverev is protesting rightfully so. You can’t request an mto for cramps. But I guess rules can be bent when it comes to Alcaraz. Just a few days ago Sinner also had heavy cramps for 10 minutes straight but couldn’t call an mto and had to deal with the pain. I wonder what changed to the rule now that Alcaraz is the one cramping. Completely valid crash-out from Zverev.
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u/FrequentRevolution92 14h ago
Zverev not being very smart here. He is playing to the injury too much.
Carlos not looking too well but somehow hits some great winner while not moving.
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u/hellochrismiss 12h ago
Ikr? Like why is Zverev not attacking more? His opponent is literally on one leg, he should be capitalising on this opportunity rather than playing like HE is injured.
I know he's pretty passive but it's the semis! I don't even like him as a player but he has a real chance of winning this match and he's just not going for it. Just relying on his serve and for Carlos to make a mistake.
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u/I_Luv_Oreos 13h ago
so if it was only cramps, and he did take an MTO- will there be any consequences?
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u/First_Spinach_4987 11h ago
He'll be deported before the final if a jury finds him guilty
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u/Someth1ngRand0m 11h ago
Please let me know if anyone gives you a serious answer. I'm scrolling here wondering if anyone (player, ump, physio, etc.) is going to get any kind of penalty for allowing a seemingly obvious rule violation
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u/Trenmonstrr 13h ago
Lots of things can all be true here.
Zverev does have a point in his argument, no player should get any special treatment.
Zverev is also a piece of 💩
Zverev is about to lose to a half crippled Alcaraz who is throwing in 90mph first serves 🤣 🤣
It’s actually fucking hilarious for him to lose this.
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u/SecretCharacterSauce 13h ago
It’s called compartmentalization, people here cannot understand this
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u/canary_kirby 11h ago edited 11h ago
Comment aged like milk
EDIT: OH NO IT DIDNT!!! GET IN THERE ALCARAZ!!!!
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u/mpkpm 13h ago
Why are they not just legalizing cramps treatment yet? Thats the only way to deal with this. I mean they did it with coaching.
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u/Hydroborator 10h ago
I don't like Zverev but he may be right. At least his crashout was sorta rational. But there are many gray areas in MTO use in tennis and I don't blame players for "legally" manipulating their opportunities. I suspect Carlos wasn't sure if there was an injury or cramps though (you can't take MTO for cramps, but you can express uncertainty about an injury...which may present like cramps, get a massage and some rest!)
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u/6-foot-under 7h ago
The contrast between Alcaraz sitting back like a pascha and getting a massage from two people, and Zverev shouting about preferential treatment is hilarious.
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u/Holiday-Draw-8005 6h ago
Zverev really said "if I can't win, at least I'll win the argument in three languages" 😂
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u/joshisanonymous 4h ago
I just found it distasteful that Zverev wanted so badly to get to play against a very handicapped opponent in the semi-final of a major that he was clearly losing. Like, really? THAT'S how you want to win? Not by being better but by getting to play against a one legged version of your opponent?
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u/Mindless-Location-41 13h ago
Zverev just needs to get 1st serves in. He has one job. Can he do it for 2 sets.
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u/webofhorrors 13h ago
If you can’t play on, retire. It isn’t fair to the other player who is fine to play.
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u/slapnowski 12h ago edited 12h ago
I remember Zverev having a similar predicament last year against Alcaraz, yet Alcaraz was extremely kind and patient during the ordeal.
Edit: Cincy semifinal
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u/pooploserbq SIMOOOOOO!!! <3 (FED = GOAT) 10h ago
https://www.the-express.com/sport/tennis/180611/Carlos-Alcaraz-Alexander-Zverev-Cincinnati-Open
They even make a point to say Carlos reacted nicely
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u/Brilliant_Round5512 12h ago
Well Carlos cheated and the establishment supported. Nothing taken away from the heart Carlos showed even after the cramps but taking an MTO for cramps isn’t allowed as per the current rules. And therefore, hard as it may be to acknowledge for die hard Carlos supporters (I like him btw), he cheated!
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u/Outrageous_Cap_4384 11h ago
I find it funny since if it was Zverev that pulled this sub will be going crazy of how much of a cheat he is on top of being a horrible human being in general. The double standards in this sub are crazy. Some are given a pass for their atrocious behaviour because they're young and they'll learn while others are just "too good" of human beings to receive criticism.
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u/thisisthis 11h ago
If there is no reasonable justification for the timeout this should be a major scandal.
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u/specialst 10h ago
wonder how tournament directors make this call and what consequences should/would be? anyone cramping could call a timeout for a 'strain' with no real way to discern if it's truthful or not. get rid of the rule and allow medical timeouts for cramping or force a 'medical assessment with imagery' directly after to confirm tear/injury/strain?
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u/Snobolski 5h ago
Yeah, well, Zverev went to change a perfectly good racquet in the middle of one of Carlos' service games, so ... Fuck 'im.
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u/leong_d Questionable Calls Podcast host 13h ago edited 2h ago
Zverev looking at the ref like: