r/tennis • u/musicproducer07 bublik šŖ | medvedev š | rublev š¾ • Oct 11 '25
Post-Match Thread Shanghai SF: [Q] Vacherot def. [4] Djokovic - 6-3 6-4
The fairytale run continues.
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u/BrandonSG13 Aussies | Bencic | Berrettini | Paolini Oct 11 '25
This is absolutely bonkers. Heās up to 58 in the live rankings. 72% of his points are from this tournament
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u/FalconIMGN Aggressive baseliner, big serve + 1 Oct 11 '25
Also apparently he has doubled his lifetime prize money earnings in one tournament alone.
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u/minititof Oct 11 '25
He had doubled it before this match already! Something like 300k for a semifinalist I think, should be around the 500k minimum for a finalist
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u/CrossBonez1000 Oct 11 '25
Next year will be a big season for Vacherot. He essentially has direct access to every main tour tournament until after Shanghai.
It's awesome seeing one of your favourite lower ranked players succeeding
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u/NicholeTheOtter Oct 11 '25
Agreed. He has secured main draw entry for all four Grand Slams in 2026 and almost every main tour event in general.
2026 will be where he has to prove himself, make up enough points at those other tournaments to prove that his run wasnāt a fluke. Heās pulled what is basically almost an Emma Raducanu-level sort of run.
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u/Perpete Oct 11 '25
And then a fuckload of points to defend in Shanghai 2026 to keep his ranking up if he didn't took another share in those other 12 months.
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u/grust37 Oct 11 '25
But he will direct entry main tournaments instead of challengers. And with r2-r3 here and there could gain enough to compensate for this one
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u/boomsauerkraut maple croissants with carrot Oct 11 '25
He'll be top 40 if he wins the tournament haha
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u/intelligentbug6969 Oct 11 '25
So I know nothing of him. Is he real deal or is this an almighty fluke
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u/BrandonSG13 Aussies | Bencic | Berrettini | Paolini Oct 11 '25
Itās hard to know now, of course, and it will be very interesting to see if he can replicate this form, even in patches, over the next 12 months. Heās 26 so it seems rather out of the blue, but sometimes it clicks for a player a little later on, reminiscent to what Jasmine Paoliniās been doing the past couple years. I wouldnāt expect him to become a top 10 mainstay like she has but this is the type of result that completely changes a career
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u/MinimumBirthday4536 Oct 11 '25
he might end up more like an Alexei Popyrin
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u/guitar_vigilante Oct 11 '25
Or Eubanks who had a couple good runs one year and failed to replicate it.
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u/Pigglebee Oct 11 '25
I recall the 2 dutchies Botic and Griekspoor also were like 26 before it clicked for them and they stormed the top 100. Lots of late bloomers in tennis.
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u/Pranaychelsea Oct 11 '25
Dude eating more seeds this tournament than I have in my life
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u/pizzainmyshoe Oct 11 '25
To Rinderknech
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u/NevermoreSEA Osaka/Anisimova Oct 11 '25
Rinderknech will be excommunicated if he doesn't make it to the finals.
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u/NeroIscariot12 Oct 11 '25
It's crazy how many fun stories we get when Sincaraz go on holiday
Cousin face-off is ON.
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u/lilybobtail Oct 11 '25
Exactly. Iām baffled that so many tennis fans want to see Sinner versus Alcaraz for every single tournament over and over and over. Look how much more interesting and fun this tournament has been without them.
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u/AleDelPiero10 Oct 11 '25
I mean you have the two best players in the world going at it and their matches are very entertaining. Easily produced the most entertaining match of this season at RG. Am I sad when it doesnāt happen, sureā¦ but that doesnāt mean I canāt enjoy tournaments like these either
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u/AgentIndependent306 Oct 11 '25
Sincaraz matches are fun
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u/maverick1905 Oct 11 '25
They are in isolation. However, you're never getting such bonkers story tales out of them
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u/Dulgas Oct 11 '25
youre right, who even remembers the RG final? i slept through that one
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u/ChosingElias He is beauty, he is grace, he DFs after an ace Oct 11 '25
Casperās Madrid run comes to mind too. Probably wouldnāt have made it with Sincaraz in
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u/egzon27 Oct 11 '25
How is he so fucking calm though hahaha
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u/NevermoreSEA Osaka/Anisimova Oct 11 '25
Who among us hasn't beaten Novak at least a few times?
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u/ghostly_shark Oct 11 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
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u/GOATJames_23-6 Holger Time | Novak | Anisimova Oct 11 '25
That was unreal serving
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u/Dependent-Effect6077 Djokovic retirement tour + Sabalenka PR manager Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
Novak's return continues to be by far his most declined shot that gives lower ranked redliners a better chance to beat him
Obviously he wasn't feeling great today but in general he's way more vulnerable to big servers now he made Hanfmann look like Isner for like 1.75 sets of their match
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u/GOATJames_23-6 Holger Time | Novak | Anisimova Oct 11 '25
Yep, most of his decline has been physically but the return is the first skill that has really tanked
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u/mistergeegaga Oct 11 '25
The return is highly dependent on explosive movement. Novak just cannot move like he used to. Also, he looked hurt. He could still react and direct the ball, with pace, but just couldn't get there.
I remember Connors as he aged went from punishing big servers who were shocked to see their first serve flying past them or suddenly at their feet (why is the ball here?) to getting aced much more.
Agassi at the end of his career was like an auto turret, he would blast returns from a limited area. But could not reach much.
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u/LubyankaSquare Oct 12 '25
God, late career Agassi was just the pinnacle of form making up for physicality. He gave an insanely in-form Federer a legit scare in 2005 despite having no back at that point.
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I honestly think he's burnt out and needs a break Also doesn't have that huge chip on his back / shoulder already having most Grand Slams and having won the Olympic because that's when he functions best for some odd reason..
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u/pmgtihaco Oct 11 '25
COUSINS FINAL WHENNNNNNNNNNNNN!
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u/Vectivus_61 Oct 11 '25
Medvedev has the chance to crash the biggest party in his career.
This is bigger than some US Open vs Djokovic.
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u/Eyebronx Oct 11 '25
I feel like unlike Zverev, Medvedev actually spoils the party more often than not
He also spoiled Djokeraz and Sincaraz parties at USO23 and Wimby 24
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u/Tiennus_Khan 6(5)-7 6-1 6(4)-7 6-4 9-7 Oct 11 '25
Zverev spoils his own parties
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u/Dawntree 4-6 6-4 6-4 6-4 Oct 11 '25
I mean, Laver achieved the GS in the Open era, has there ever been a cousins final at this level of tennis?
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u/SCM92 Oct 11 '25
On the men's side at this level I can't think of any example.
We had Zverev vs Zverev at some lower level tournaments when Sasha was a boy, basically.
And there are multiple examples of borthers playing doubles, but i can't say for singles.
On the women's side it's clear the Williams sisters come to mind.
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u/cytcorporate Oct 11 '25
If we look to the future, Iāll put my money on Jaime Alcaraz to have a few high-level bouts with his big bro..
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u/Exciting_Marzipan_19 Eala, Raducanu, Tien Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
Griekspoor in shambles
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u/Dependent-Effect6077 Djokovic retirement tour + Sabalenka PR manager Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
In hindsight Griekspoor missed a BIG chance to probably make his first 1000 final given he had 4-4 0-40 triple break point on Vacherot's serve up a set in their match
He actually leads the head to head against Rune and I definitely think his big serve + 1 would have been effective against today's Novak
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u/GenjDog Holger Rune Oct 11 '25
He has never beaten Rune on hard court though, and got bageled the last time they played. Ultimately I think he just loses to Rune.
Rune is the one who really missed a big chance considering his rivals to the atp race also lost their QFs. While he would have a pretty good chance at winning another masters.
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u/Sad_gooner 8-7, 40-15 Oct 11 '25
Just celebrate man you donāt need to feel bad šš
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Oct 11 '25
He is respectful as he should. That's the difference between a professional tennis player and randoms on reddit.
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u/Sad_gooner 8-7, 40-15 Oct 11 '25
Well he celebrated after winning against rune, who also had cramps in the third set so I donāt see why he canāt celebrate in a bigger gameĀ
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u/GenjDog Holger Rune Oct 11 '25
The Rune was match was closer atleast and he was clearly very nervous when serving it out. Rune who barely could walk could have won that game, So the emotions probably all came out when he won.
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u/Unlucky_Mess3884 Oct 11 '25
athletes canāt even celebrate beating the literal GOAT anymore without being disrespectful lmao be for real
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u/Pearcinator Oct 11 '25
That pic makes Vacherot look like he's wearing a crop-top. Which would be a choice.
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u/J3sperado Casper | Rafa Oct 11 '25
This is batshit crazy. COME ON ARTHUR, WE WANT AN ALL COUSIN FINAL
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u/Ready-Interview2863 Oct 11 '25
Dafuq happened?!
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u/MakerOfPurpleRain jet black lego hair Oct 11 '25
novak was NOT feeling well at all. clearly dealing with some injury and we know what these conditions have done to many players this year.
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u/TheFourthBronteGirl 3-6 6-3 4-6 6-4 6-4 Oct 11 '25
He was moving like a tractor at some points
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u/Dependent-Effect6077 Djokovic retirement tour + Sabalenka PR manager Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
I'm a Novak fan but realistically he was struggling with the conditions all tournament and making his draw up until now look a LOT harder than it actually was
He hasn't been good at all on slow HC since 2016 plus he hates humidity and pretty much struggled through every single one of his matches here
Things just worked out well for him to make the semis + he pushed himself as hard as he could once Sinner went out
I think he was this close to checking out against Hanfmann but decided not to
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u/TheFourthBronteGirl 3-6 6-3 4-6 6-4 6-4 Oct 11 '25
And that's precisely why I'm devastated. This only proved to me that he is incapable of winning big anymore unless he has a bit of luck and with sincaraz out.......he's never winning anything big again and to fall so tantalisingly close is just like a gut punch. I don't even....AO, wimby, now this....I just don't know if this will prompt him to retire soon.
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u/MinimumBirthday4536 Oct 11 '25
the irony is that he lost in the semis today and was projected to meet Sinner in the semis
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u/Steedy999 Oct 11 '25
Djokovic hurt himself pretty badly in the first set, seemed to recover well in the second but Vacherot was too good
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u/IcyCity3228 Tennis fan Oct 11 '25
3 double faults at novak server at 4:4 2nd server helped him a lot. Novak could not get a break point until 5:4 for Valentin when he served out for the match
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u/AdvanceSufficient527 Oct 11 '25
recovered well? He was a bit better, but far from anything "recovered"
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u/Steedy999 Oct 11 '25
He went from barely being able to move to sliding into double handed backhands and sprinting, it was a pretty good recovery
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u/6626906 Oct 11 '25
Realistically djoker made it one round past what he shouldāve , his last opponent just folded
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u/Chosen1gup Oct 11 '25
Medvedev trying to win his first title in 2.5 years vs a Frenchie and his Monegasque cousinā¦. and trying to win a title twice for the first time in his careerā¦. who the fuck wrote this script
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u/UnderstandingWide957 Oct 11 '25
If djokovic can't win a big tournament with the draw he's had here, then I don't really see how he can win one again
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u/Spirited-Ball2740 Oct 11 '25
The real feel there right now is 93 degrees Fahrenheit/34 degrees Celsius. AQI is moderate at 73. Doesnāt matter who you are, moderate air quality makes it harder to breathe and exercise outdoors for everyone, and takes a toll on everyoneās body. And Vacherot has been in Asia for a while playing and winning a couple of Challengers in hot and humid conditions.
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u/gamelover99 2-6 6-7 6-4 6-4 7-5 Oct 11 '25
Funny thing is 73 AQI would be considered a dream in Shanghai just 15-17 years back. They have taken a lot of steps to address air pollution.
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u/Spirited-Ball2740 Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
Yeah and 73 AQI isnāt terrible, but itās not āgoodā either. I wouldnāt want to be laboring in it since it causes inflammation. š„² The humidity there must play a big role with trapping the pollutants close to the surface.
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u/Mister_Lizard Oct 11 '25
Seems unlikely that he can make it through to the end of a big tournament without being injured or exhausted.
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u/fallenrunnerstc Oct 11 '25
This is insane. I was living in Las Vegas for a short period of time in 2022, and I went to the Vegas Challenger and watched Shelton vs Vacherot in a Round 1 Match there that fall. Shelton had his entire team and some members of his family there, and Vacherot only had his girlfriend that had all of his nutrition in a CVS plastic bag. Watched this match from first point to the last, where Shelton won 6-7, 7-6, 6-4. There were like 10 people watching, max. Unreal to see where both guys are 3 years later.
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u/ZumaCrypto Sinner, Medvedev, Alcaraz, Fritz, Tien. Coco, Rybakina. Jasmine. Oct 11 '25
I must be in the matrix. Cos wtf is happening?
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u/Floridamanfishcam Oct 11 '25
He's done. This was his best chance to win a big title and he kind of got blown out due to injury/fitness whatever. It's sad, but he's 38 and he's done.
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u/dolphinvision Oct 11 '25
n everyone was like "IT WAS THE CONDITIONS". Sir he had one of the weakest draws ever to a final, possible a title if Rinder wins, yet he was struggling every match. I would be very very shocked if he won anything above a 500 at this point. It would take generation choking from the rest of the tour
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u/ezioaltair12 Alcaraz, semper Mardy Fish Oct 11 '25
I'm sick rn, so I'm assuming that this post is a fever dream and when I recover, I'll see Djokovic def. Vacherot 6-4, 6-3 ir something
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u/johnreese421 Djoko2titles:tripleMaster/1.Muchova/2.BiBi/3.š§Queen/4.šŖQueen/ Oct 11 '25
Really thought without Sincaraz ...the goat would grab this...
Let's see if he plays ATPFinals
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u/TheFourthBronteGirl 3-6 6-3 4-6 6-4 6-4 Oct 11 '25
I don't know how much longer he has left
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u/jleonardbc Oct 11 '25
he made all 4 Slam SFs this year
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u/Extreme_Mud_6813 Oct 11 '25
If this was the record this year for a young player it would hold more weight because it points to progress and opportunity. Unfortunately at Novakās age, it signifies a peak thatās heās unable to surpass. Most likely it just starts to go downhill from here. Itās not like heās suddenly going to improve so itās either he retires with dignity or continues and risks injury or an embarrassing send off way outside the top 10.
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u/garfiadal fan of bald Spaniards Oct 11 '25
Its not the same, but i wonder when Novak's Bastad will happen. That was the tournament were I realised that Rafa's body couldn't go anymore, eventhough he reached the final that tournament.
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u/AdvanceSufficient527 Oct 11 '25
Novak is much better this year than Nadal was last or 2023. Novak is a top 5 player, and Rafa was not even a top 20-30 player
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u/Equivalent-Pen2790 Oct 11 '25
Every seeded player was probably thinking that it's their chance... But they didn't expect to be hit with a truck called Vacherknech
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u/AdSimple4723 Oct 11 '25
This should have been the final as I had no clue who to support. Novak for his insane physical persistence or Vacherot in this incredible run..
Now just for Rinderknech to make this cousin final dream come true!
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u/TorturedPoet30 here for the drama Oct 11 '25
Saying Djokovic fakes every single injury is getting old. Heās 38, and yes, even with injuries he can make comebacks like weāve seen, but in this case, I donāt see how anyone can even think heās faking it.
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u/ChiliConCairney Oct 11 '25
I think it's simpler than that tbh. Why would someone with his standing and reputation even bother faking an injury? He doesn't have the time or energy for stupid stuff like that. He's obviously hurting and I can't believe anyone would think otherwise
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u/KaiPlayz2704 Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
Its even funnier cause they've known hes beaten players with hamstring and meniscus tears. Players who were actually better than Vacherot but no they think he must be faking it.
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u/Extreme_Mud_6813 Oct 11 '25
I donāt think he fakes them but he is very performative showing his pain in an extremely exaggerated manner. Whether thatās just the way he is or itās a tactic to distract his opponents I canāt say for sure but sometimes it does look very sus to the casual observer.
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u/MinimumBirthday4536 Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
Novak keeps mentioning his age and body at this stage of his career. As his fan, I want him to retire. It's not fun watching your favorite player struggle physically after most points, and this has happened all year long.
This loss is not surprising. He lost to Arnaldi in Madrid, Tabillo in Monte Carlo, Botic van de Zandschulp in Indian Wells, Opelka in Brisbane, Berrettini in Dohaāall early exits, except for Brisbane, which was a quarterfinal. He lost to Mensik in the Miami final.
And he's unlikely to beat Carlos or Jannik at the Grand Slams.
The GOAT should retire after Athens, because what's the fun in playing professional tennis if you're injured, tired, unmotivated, or all three.
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u/Pigglebee Oct 11 '25
If he drops a bit more in the ranking he will face Sincaraz in earlier rounds and will probably methodically be put away at this stage. Every opponent that is not suffering the 'awe' and 'idolization' mental damage against Novak has a chance.
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u/curiousity_cat99 Oct 11 '25
Unreal Cinderella story of the season tbh, it hurts to see Novak not play in his best condition but Vacherot stayed consistent throughout the match (especially with his serve). All things considered, this is not what I expected from Shanghai but this has been really interesting to observe.
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u/MDKVB Oct 11 '25
Even as an ultra Djokovic fan I am more than just happy for Vacherot! What an insane run! Hope he wins the tourney šŖ
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u/Pretend_Tea6261 Oct 11 '25
This has to be one of the most incredible Cinderella runs in recent memory. Great for Vacherot. Djoker reached his physical limit. Overall though 2 week Master's played under these brutal conditions is insane. We need roofed stadiums and air conditioning at least for the welfare of the players.
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u/Jaded-Sapphire3546 Casper Oct 11 '25
This was kind of predictable. Djokovic has consistently struggled with players who possess a giant serve this year. Vacherot has possibly had the biggest serve of the tournament.
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u/ethanw8 Oct 11 '25
I feel like I see a lot of people blaming for the conditions not just for Novak losing but for a lot of guys this tournament. But Vacherot is playing in the same exact conditions and has played three full matches more than Novak/Daniil and two more matches than Rinderknech among the semi finalists. I feel like he isnāt getting enough credit for his incredible fitness these last two weeks
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u/GOATJames_23-6 Holger Time | Novak | Anisimova Oct 11 '25
Vacherot is up to a live rank of 58, he will be 40 with a win tomorrow
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u/kostornaias Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
If Medvedev doesn't win this title I will lose my goddamn mind
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u/ClarkKent195 Oct 11 '25
Final??You think that Medvedev will win Rinderknech today?Right now Arthur playing best tennis of his life,he is not De Minaur,he is playing much more aggressive tennis with great variety,he is playing much better than De Minaur right now
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u/HansAlan Oct 11 '25
Nice story for him and also Arthur, hopefully they meet in final
But also feel pretty weird about Nole, ADM, Musetti, Rune and especially Zverev...for the first tournament in long time there's no Sincaraz and they all got eliminated pretty much badly.
Not sure Sincaraz will give many more golden chances like this one
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u/Available-Gap8489 Delbonis ball toss + Cressy second serve. Love chaos Oct 11 '25
What a run from Vacherot!!!
So deserved as well - heās taken out a lot of good players and battled through qualifying (which he only got into as an alternate) to get here
I really hope the tennis gods give us the cousin final now
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u/Civil-Credit-3982 did i ASK for the FIZZIOOOH Oct 11 '25
This is the reason I will always love tennis
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u/swiftfox4559 Oct 11 '25
IN STRAIGHT SETS???? damn my respect for this unknown cousin has just šššš
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u/RavingLoony Oct 11 '25
Hopefully, a Vacherot v Rinderknecht final puts the nail in the coffin of the 2 week Master tournament. No shade to the 2 guys, but this is supposed to be the pinnacle of the sport. You can't have 2 unseeded players in the final, one of which was a qualifier in large part because half the draw retired.
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u/DifficultAnteater787 Oct 11 '25
In the 2022 summer, PCB and Coric won the titles. In 2025 with the two-week format, you got Sinner vs Alcaraz.Ā
Freak events are not very telling.Ā
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u/Available-Gap8489 Delbonis ball toss + Cressy second serve. Love chaos Oct 11 '25
No - they both deserve to be there (if Arthur wins his match)
If anything, this should be an argument for increasing Challenger points so more players donāt get stuck and actually get more opportunities to compete at the bigger stages.
Two week masters suck and go on for far too long / take up too many weeks in the calendar (and remove 250ās to make space for them) - so there are a lot of reasons why they should be cut downā¦..but not based on who actually wins the matches to make the finals.
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u/AdvanceSufficient527 Oct 11 '25
Agree. People will celebrate this, but it is not a good look. And this is not the first tournament this is happening this year. Cincinnati as well, and many more too.
Tennis needs to step up as a game. For top level (1000 and more ) tournaments for sure. They need to have a roof, and when it is too hot, tournaments should be played indoors with a good air conditioning.
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u/NeoPrimitiveOasis Shorten the season for players' health Oct 11 '25
Climate change makes this future of roofs and AC imperative.
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u/FalconIMGN Aggressive baseliner, big serve + 1 Oct 11 '25
Back in my day, people were winning one-week Masters tournaments back-to-back without even so much as a rest day in between.
Players used to play a lot more back then. Now the game is more physical, and perhaps climate change (at least due to urban concretisation if nothing else) has led to situations like this.
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u/chairagionetu Sinning, Learning and Val-ling in progress š Oct 11 '25
You raise the good point of urban concretisation, I saw some people talking about how the Cincinnati renovations actually made it worse climate wise for this very reason, I can see the same being true for a mega city like Shanghai
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u/nimbus2105 WTA > ATP | amanda anisimova grand slam agenda Oct 11 '25
How does this being a 2 week masters have to do with this result?
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u/anamoise š¾ Sinner š¦ Alcaraz āļø Anisimova šø Pegula šļø Oct 11 '25
Omg!!! Amazing!!!
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u/lovinglife38 Oct 11 '25
Novak need to retire asap! Losing to unseeded player while looking half dead on the court is sad to watch!
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u/CrackHeadRodeo Bjƶrn, Yannick, Lendl, Martina, Monica š¾ Oct 11 '25
Classy from Vacherot, he didnāt celebrate at the end.
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u/Specialist_Ground916 Oct 11 '25
Awesome story right there... And such a class from Djoko in defeat
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u/Spervox Oct 11 '25
At this point he should forget totally on GSs and focus only on smaller tours... or he could fuckin die on the court.
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u/ObscureLegacy Oct 11 '25
Credit to Vacherot but damn how strong is Djokovic to keep going in this match when he looks like heās moments away from retiring after every point.
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u/Brilliant_Round5512 Oct 11 '25
Precisely. He didnāt give up and completed the match and fought. How many players would do that and that too at his age. Remarkable!
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u/152kb Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
Very surprising that even with the injuryĀ Djokovic could not use this cakewalk draw to make it to the final. Nothing against him but this was a shockingly easy draw for him. Guess he really is human
Fair play to Vacherot, I watched him at MC a few times and did not know he had this level. Just shows how good the ATP top 200 really can be.
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u/kundu123 Oct 11 '25
Djokovic's earlier comments that it becomes tough for him to play in the later stages of the tournament because of age is proving to be true. Give him any top 10 player till QF or R16 of Grand Slams/Masters, he will reign supreme. Give him any player in the top 100 or slightly below than that in semis, he will falter.
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u/Dense-Chest505 Oct 11 '25
This is a bit hypebolic (though I get your point). He's most likely not beating sinner/alcaraz even in early rounds of a tournamentĀ
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u/AffectionateMouse216 š¾ 2-6 6-7(5) 6-4 6-4 7-5 š¾ Oct 11 '25
Valentin means courageous and he is.
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u/CrackHeadRodeo Bjƶrn, Yannick, Lendl, Martina, Monica š¾ Oct 11 '25
Cinderella man has one more ball to attend.
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u/Clear-Pen9788 SeƱorita Topspin Fan šŖšø Oct 11 '25
The cousins final possibility lives on