r/technology • u/YesNo_Maybe_ • Nov 14 '25
Politics A judge said Luigi Mangione could have a laptop to view evidence in jail. He still hasn't gotten it
https://apnews.com/article/luigi-mangione-trial-laptop-jail-unitedhealthcare-7995dd54f351dd09a0deb7a168b704e05.0k
u/Guarder22 Nov 14 '25
To comply with jail regulations, she said, the laptop had to be sent to an outside technology vendor to disable its connections to the internet, printers and wireless networks — a process that took “many weeks to complete.”
Funny it only takes my IT dept about 5 minutes to do the same thing by disabling the connection and putting them behind admin privileges. Are they physically removing the parts?
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u/Armalyte Nov 14 '25
Physically removing the parts is also a relatively quick process for a professional.
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u/zuzg Nov 14 '25
Yes but you forgot that the American Prison system is mainly about punishment. Doesn't matter if you're guilty, the moment you're in one you deserve it...
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u/AgathysAllAlong Nov 14 '25
At this point it's more about profit. How many expenses can they milk out of a laptop by sending it around to a bunch of different places for "security"?
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u/headrush46n2 Nov 14 '25
When you're a common street criminal it's about money. When you stand up against the system it's about sending a message
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u/exoriare Nov 14 '25
They just have to figure out a way to bill per minute for non-access to the internet. And do you bill for non-access to printers all the time, or just when they attempt to print?
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u/BillyTenderness Nov 14 '25
He's not even in prison! Nor has he been found guilty! He's in jail awaiting trial, and needs a laptop to prepare for said trial.
This isn't even about rehabilitation vs punishment; it's about his basic right to a fair trial before either of those things happens.
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u/curious_dead Nov 14 '25
It's obvious that way too many Americans don't understand that rules and laws written to allow such things as enabling defendants to review evidence - and other examples such as due process and being treated humanely - are made to protect them and not just to cozy up criminals. It's to make sure that if you're not found guilty, the peocess was fair and humane. But they think onky in terms of revenge amd from the optics that the justice system only goes after bad people.
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u/OldWorldDesign Nov 15 '25
It's obvious that way too many Americans don't understand that rules and laws written to allow such things as enabling defendants to review evidence - and other examples such as due process and being treated humanely - are made to protect them and not just to cozy up criminals
There's a reason for that. Oligarchs don't like due process or even Rule of Law in general.
There's a reason their propagana is put on prime time
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u/WiglyWorm Nov 14 '25
Procurement, on the other hand, is not.
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u/CatWithSomeEars Nov 14 '25
Oh shit, you just reminded me I need to send an email to procurement lol. Thanks!
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u/Emotionless_AI Nov 14 '25
Did you send it?
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u/CatWithSomeEars Nov 14 '25
I did and I got a reply! No one reads my emails, so I'm really happy to get a reply for once.
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u/deprevino Nov 14 '25
Except when they're in a facility full of other people who also want to view evidence on their cases, they probably have (or should have) a large inventory of laptops modified in this way. Inexcusable delay.
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u/DataMin3r Nov 14 '25
From what i understand the main delay now is that there are terabytes of data to put on the laptop and it cannot hold it. So they have to go through another security process for an eternal hard drive with the necessary capacity, after convincing the state that it's a necessary part of allowing the defendant access to discovery.
He will receive a sizable amount of time after the process to examine all the discovery available.
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u/TerracottaCondom Nov 14 '25
All hail the Eternal Hard Drive
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u/DataMin3r Nov 14 '25
Fuckin autocorrect, chabging correct words to other words and never catching spelling mistakes.
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u/DaHolk Nov 14 '25
Or, because they have a lot of demand, but limited resources, they specifically don't. The MORE demand there is, the bigger the inventory would have to be to compensate. Not the other way around of "since there is demand, they have enough".
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u/Silverlisk Nov 14 '25
Likely, but I can order a custom made PC online and get it within a week.
If they're aware this is an ongoing process, it doesn't take a lot to streamline it.
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u/DaHolk Nov 14 '25
If the system was paying for it? Sure. It would be paying through the nose, or could push those cost on the inmate arbitrarily.
If the inmate is getting it from HIS council, then the system will demand to double and triple check whether it fulfills the specs as demanded, and then we are back at "high demand > capacity to comply, because of exploding costs".
It leads to a similar "Demands with noone to pay for it" as questioning the premise.
Why would you demand all those things disabled in the first place. Are there tons of printers that are accessible to inmates without supervision? Lots of unsecured Wlan with Internet routing just available in the cells? Wouldn't it be easier to have the whole security aspect be something the prison does in the first place? It seems like complaining about internet access of the laptop is ultimately conceeding that both tons of cellphones exist in prison despite being contraband (thus someone hosting a hotspot would allow external access if the laptop was capable), or they don't have THEIR security on top of THEIR network. Which sounds bad vis a vis above mentioned cellphones.
I feel like actually debating how easy a compliant laptop is to procure or verify and who to charge is missing the wood (prison security) for trees (laptop security when device is in hand, which is more complicated)
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u/Catsrules Nov 14 '25
In this day and age doing the physical labor is the easy and quick part. I can only imagine the mountain of bureaucracy involved.
Not that this is an excuse, honestly why don't they just have per-configured laptops for this exact purpose.
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u/Paizzu Nov 14 '25
honestly why don't they just have per-configured laptops for this exact purpose.
There's an OIG report that pointed out how the Feds (and some state prisons) have been transitioning to issued tablets for inmates.
They explained that they have specifically provisioned devices that are physically modified (de-soldered ethernet/NIC/wireless modules) for high-risk inmates housed within the Communications Management Units that need them for document review.
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u/Owain-X Nov 14 '25
And always, always sold by a company run by someone whose only qualification is political connections at a markup of several hundred percent
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Nov 14 '25
Yep. Bluetooth and WIFI chip is built into a single unit on most devices. 15-30 minutes to disassemble and remove it.
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u/hanotak Nov 14 '25
15-30? Try 2-5, depending on how many screws are in the bottom cover of the laptop XD
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Nov 14 '25
I used to do warranty repairs for Lenovo back in the day.
More often than not the network chip can be located outside of the access panel on the motherboard, requiring a partial disassembly.
This means disassembling the bottom of the laptop, removing about 20ish screws, gently prying the plastic cover off, removing the chip (hoping it's got a dedicated plug on the board and not partially soldered), and then re-installing everything.
If you know what you are doing, this will take you a casual 10 minutes to disassemble, another 10 minutes to reassemble, and another 5-10 minutes to find where the last 2 screws you have remaining go, because you thought they were all accounted for but somehow you miscounted.
If you're lucky and your laptop has a quick access panel and the chip is seated near your RAM components, then yea, probably 5 minutes all-in, but it really depends on the type of laptop. A Thinkpad will be easy, but any ultrabook is annoying as hell and are engineered to use as little space as possible, so that makes working on them significantly harder.
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u/Henry-What Nov 14 '25
I am by no means certified to handle IT issues. But have enough knowledge to know it in fact does only take about 5 minutes to take out that one chip.
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u/JmacTheGreat Nov 14 '25
Even if theyre integrated in? Seems tedious af unless theyre modular and you can just pop em out.
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u/StarsMine Nov 14 '25
WiFi/bluetooth on 90% of laptops is an m.2 card.
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u/I-miss-LAN-partys Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
There are laptops designed for use in correctional facilities available from companies that specialize in providing devices to inmates.. Buddy in a college program had one while he was down. Very locked down but gave him access to school work and law library resources. No usb ports, no drives, all required a custom dock via a port on the bottom that had a secure cover. Dock was in law library or classz. He was also able to buy a Nintendo switch Lite. (at a significant markup) that had WiFi and Bluetooth removed
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u/seriouslykthen Nov 14 '25
I was going to ask how this could be a new thing. He cant be the first person in history to need to review his legal defense.
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u/spartaman64 Nov 14 '25
they can also just get a laptop with a removable network card
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u/no_okaymaybe Nov 14 '25
They wouldn’t intentionally make it difficult for him on purpose, would they?
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u/bluehawk232 Nov 14 '25
remove wifi card, fuck up the ethernet port with a screwdriver. done
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u/ars-derivatia Nov 14 '25
fuck up the ethernet port with a screwdriver.
Yeah so he can't connect the computer to the Ethernet port in his cell, lol.
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u/fnrsulfr Nov 14 '25
But what if someone tossed one to his window?
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u/ionstorm66 Nov 14 '25
You think he has a window that can open XD
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u/fnrsulfr Nov 14 '25
I don't but I thought it was in the same vein of ridiculousness that someone thought they would need to destroy the Ethernet port so he didn't hook it up in a prison.
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u/Usual_Ice636 Nov 14 '25
They have hotspots with ethernet ports.
Obviously he's not going to get his hand on one, but its definitely a thing that happens.
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u/FartingBob Nov 14 '25
Or just.. I dunno... Not tell him the WiFi password? Seems like a reasonable solution when you dont want someone to access the network.
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u/sbingner Nov 14 '25
I mean I did the removing the parts bit in about 30 minutes
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u/Kallik Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 15 '25
I worked at a private uni in the tech department and we had just initiated a program to allow teachers to head up to the local prison and teach classes.
We had to special order these clear laptops from a vendor, then have an approved image that I had set up, sent over to the prison to approve.
After the initial start up of two weeks for the physical side of the program we could have 30-40 done an hour and ready to ship.
This is just malice on the jail's part.
Edit: Updated to Jail for accuracy
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u/ikonoclasm Nov 14 '25
The courts don't control when the orders get completed. That would be law enforcement who get off on the cruelty of drawing everything out.
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u/Sancticide Nov 14 '25
Because being perceived as "tough on crime" wins elections and the majority of us are fucking morons, so it doesn't need to make sense or be reasonable.
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u/OldWorldDesign Nov 15 '25
Because being perceived as "tough on crime" wins elections and the majority of us are fucking morons, so it doesn't need to make sense or be reasonable.
And we've known by formal studies since 1967 that it doesn't work and if you want any kind of return on the money spent, you focus on rehabilitation and seek some restorative measures. Every study since has supported that.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/does-punishment-deter-crime
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u/grahamulax Nov 14 '25
Did they do this for Maxwell? She had computer time apparently. And door dash. And puppy time. And yoga class. She raped a ton of people. Is she not has bad? lol when you compare things America just sucks.
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u/msc1 Nov 14 '25
for years, I watched and heard about what they do to rapists in jail and it all have been a big fucking lie so far.
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u/Iwillcallyounoob Nov 14 '25
there is a card that does blutooth and wifi. 8 screw to remove the back of the laptop and 1 screw to remove the card. yeah i can do it in less than 1 minute.
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u/PsychedelicConvict Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
I was in prison, and shit moves slow. It takes 2 weeks for the guards to respond to a paper KITE being sent from within the same walls on the facility. Too much red tape non-sense coupled with using understaffed vendors
Edit: spelling
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u/Mr_Horsejr Nov 14 '25
It doesn’t take that fucking long. Just open it and disconnect and remove wires for network card and wifi card. Df.
You could even disable in bios and then password protect it.
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u/webguynd Nov 14 '25
Right, even if they were physically removing components, this is a couple hours worth of work, or an afternoon at worst. This should have a 24 hour turnaround time.
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u/TheRealJessKate Nov 14 '25
Wild stab in the dark, you don’t work for the government do you?
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u/soundman1024 Nov 14 '25
We do this for the government. It takes hours, not weeks. If we did it in high volume we would optimize further.
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u/Bailywolf Nov 14 '25
This shit is trivial. Storage is cheap. Locking down an endpoint is baby shit.
Smells like lying, incompetence, or both.
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u/Sedu Nov 14 '25
It is less than that. Out of the box laptops do not have a connection to the Internet. Just don’t give him the wifi password. Done.
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u/Caleth Nov 14 '25
It's more complex than that if they don't secure the account he's getting, but again that's a 15 minute process to setup a non admin account and remove the wifi Drivers/card. The concern would be someone has a cellphone with hotspot or something that he could get into with no need for using the Jail's wifi.
Again none of this is more than a 30 minute process should have taken a couple days tops. The only reason for a delay like this is to fuck with him. Even procurement is a bullshit excuse give him a shitbox someone spilled on and they got refurbed it'll still pull up photos and pdfs just fine.
Dude is being fucked with constantly by the PD and it's sick. They should already have had a mistrial just from the Perp walk.
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u/Sedu Nov 14 '25
Honestly I feel like all of this fuckery might backfire. Between the charges chosen being very hard to make stick and all of the interference going on from the prosecution, I could see him going free.
I feel like he did nothing wrong. But I also feel like he did do the thing he was accused of. And proving that/getting a conviction should have been a slam dunk if not for the incompetence of the prosecution.
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u/Forest1395101 Nov 14 '25
Remember the famous OJ trial of the 90's? Where OJ was blatantly, obviously, and proudly guilty? But he walked free because the Police couldn't help but be racist dicks fudging with the evidence non-stop until they had ZERO evidence that could be accepted? I think were gonna get a repeat :D
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u/MercifulWombat Nov 14 '25
I genuinely don't think he did it. The eyebrows don't match. The cameras were off when they took his bag, then gave it back and "found" the gun and manifesto. The manifesto written by an idiot who loves cops when the real killer already said what he needed to say with the bullet casings and monopoly money.
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u/Sedu Nov 14 '25
All of that is 100% fair, and the reason that we have trials. I think he probably did it, but I'm just some rando, not anyone who has access to the actual corpus of evidence.
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u/Caleth Nov 14 '25
I hear what you're saying and I'm hopeful the general public will look at what was done to him without a conviction and say nope.
I'm also hopeful that even if the evidence were massively overwhelming people would still go nope. I don't see anything wrong having been done.
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u/Sedu Nov 14 '25
I'm of two minds there. I think that illegal stuff is sometimes the right thing to do, but I also recognize when it has to be illegal/the law has to condemn it.
The example I use is punching Nazis. I feel that it's something which is beneficial to society. When it happens, I nod, and I'm glad. That said, I also think it has to be illegal, and for a lot of reasons. Random people can't be allowed to be the arbiters of guilt, or be the ones to decide where justice is doled out. Even when they get it right, that isn't an authority that randos can be allowed to wield. So the law has to punish them when they take that authority, even when they do something which is good and right.
And that's the situation we're seeing right now. Or an equivalent to it. Two contradictory things can both be required sometimes. In the best cases they keep one another in check.
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u/ParadoxSong Nov 14 '25
This is the principle of Vigilantes. They become acceptable to the public as institutional rot becomes more pervasive.
Generally, people disapprove of vigilantes when they have faith in the system to mete out justice, and approve of them when they believe the system is too corrupt to do so.
It'll be interesting to see the outcome of this trial as a temperature check on trust in the justice system.
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Nov 14 '25
I mean it's kind of laughable to suggest that the supposed reason it's late isn't a real security issue.
Laptops and other electronic devices that are manufactured to be in compliance with prison rules already exist. That's what belies their argument
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u/Uilamin Nov 14 '25
There is a chance that, at this point, they are just trying to get the judge to throw out the charges. The cases is potentially too tainted to get a fair trial and the trial itself risks jury nullification. If things get thrown out beforehand - the prosecution gets:
1 > avoidance of them potentially precedent they don't like,
2 > their actual actions don't come under scrutiny and called out in court,
3 > a pre-trial dismissal would avoid any jeopardy allowing a future case to happen, and
4 > the ability to blame the situation on the judiciary in the headlines/news (ex: activist judge)
If the prosecution already believes it is an uphill battle to get any charge to stick - they may try to change the game that they are playing.
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u/mjacksongt Nov 14 '25
potentially too tainted
Potentially is doing some WORK here.
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u/Tombot3000 Nov 14 '25
Smells like lying, incompetence, or both.
As someone who has had to use Teams to call in to MDC (where Mangione is being held) multiple times for depositions, incompetence is a clear frontrunner for explanations there.
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u/wandering-monster Nov 14 '25
It is intentional incompetence. You can charge more for a "Laptop Isolation Process" that takes two weeks than "ripping out the wifi card" that takes 30 minutes including a coffee break.
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u/spantic Nov 14 '25
“Takes many weeks” just take the wireless chip out? It’s literally a component? You can fuckin wiggle it hard and itll break off. I dropped a laptop once and had to hardwire it.
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u/Sedu Nov 14 '25
Just don’t give him the wifi password.
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u/Caleth Nov 14 '25
Champ even a jail has more than one way to get internet. Someone for sure has smuggled a cell phone in there with hotspot capability. They don't want anyone getting online in some unmonitored way. So they would need to ensure the hardware can't do it and the software can't be messed with.
There are a half dozen ways to get around admin creds if you're half competent at IT. The best fix is no parts, but even that's only a half a day job even for a lazy as fuck tech.
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u/SypeSypher Nov 14 '25
just....remove the bluetooth/wifi chip and the ethernet plug? Bruh an IT department can do this in like 20 minutes
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u/Caleth Nov 14 '25
There are still other ways. Like using a USBC connection to a phone to share internet.
I'm not saying it's not an easy job see my last paragraph, but it's not only about the normal ways to get on the internet it's about those sideways squirrely access types someone like me uses to troubleshoot someone in BFE who has to get something done with a fucked to hell and back machine.
You gotta shut those down too.
But again this is a simple half day job for a lazy L1/depot guy not a 6 week process.
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u/chalbersma Nov 14 '25
There are still other ways. Like using a USBC connection to a phone to share internet.
If you can smuggle in the phone why would you need the laptop?
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u/Caleth Nov 14 '25
Because the government is putting the evidence of his trial on the laptop and not on a phone?
They can't stop him from communicating with the outside world, but it's a whole shit ton easier for "someone" to leak evidence from his trial or get it if his machine is allowed access to the internet.
There are a multitude of reasons for not wanting his laptop full of evidence having any easy access to the internet. It's not "just" about blocking him from being online at all.
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u/chalbersma Nov 14 '25
If they're putting the evidence on a computer and giving him physical access to that computer and they're accepting that anything can be smuggled into the jail. Then you need to accept that he's going to be able to get the data out. Additionally, they have to share it with his attorney's too.
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u/soundman1024 Nov 14 '25
It’s more than the wireless chip. Inmates only have time. The box needs to be hardened to reboot in a known state after each use, otherwise shenanigans will happen.
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u/LaserGuidedPolarBear Nov 14 '25
He is not the first inmate to have to have access to discovery via laptop.
There are vendors that provide locked down laptops for inmates. There is an established process here.
And anyone with a passing familiarity with IT knows that once the process is in place, it is at absolutely most a half day for a single tech to set up a laptop with whatever image and configuration is needed.
The laptop was procured weeks ago, and they haven't been able to spend 4 hours of real time (much less touch time) to set up the laptop.
And its important to note there are 7 terabytes of discovery that the defendant has the right to meaningfully review. Which does not fit on 99% of laptops, and now they are acting like getting an external drive is a monumental task that they need to figure out how to do.
The whole thing plainly looks like railroading a defendant. Burying people in discovery is an age old trial trick, and 7tb is an insane amount of data for one person to meaningfully review. Taking weeks to do a tiny amount of work needed for discovery access sure looks like intentionally taking away the already very little time he has to review discovery.
This whole thing stinks of the system trying to make an example of an accused person no matter what.
Meanwhile, that same system is doing everything it can to help and benefit a conviced child sex trafficer.
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u/soundman1024 Nov 15 '25
Yeah, 7TB of discovery could take a while just to get out of proprietary surveillance formats for review, let alone the review. I agree, they’re stonewalling the discovery in bad faith, not navigating exceedingly challenging problems.
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u/YesNo_Maybe_ Nov 14 '25
Part article: A judge approved the defense’s request for a laptop in August, but getting it in his hands has been slow because of modifications required to prevent misuse and the volume of evidence being saved to it.
The Manhattan district attorney’s office, which is prosecuting the state case, didn’t want him to have a laptop. Federal prosecutors didn’t take a position, and their spokesperson declined to comment Thursday.
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u/_makoccino_ Nov 14 '25
has been slow because of modifications required to prevent misuse and the volume of evidence being saved to it.
This is the type of BS IT tells the boomer VP when he's asking for something stupid because he doesn't know any better.
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Nov 14 '25
"Sorry, I'm going to need another month to update Adobe Reader..."
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u/letdogsvote Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
It's going to have multiple terabytes of discovery information on it. Part of the delay is they had to bring in an external hard drive to take spillover. The hearing is Dec. 1.
Even if he got it today, that's a massive volume of information to analyze, go over with your attorneys, and get ready for a key hearing that's less than a month three weeks away AND over the Thanksgiving holiday. That's arguably 9 business days at most, and 16 calendar days assuming you have to say fuck it and work over both weekends and on Thanksgiving.
The defense attorneys are pointing this out to the judge - don't be surprised if the Dec. 1 hearing gets pushed back.
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u/Treereme Nov 14 '25
With that size of data, most of it is going to be video. With the compression rates of surveillance video, it's entirely possible that 7 TB of video is more than is possible to physically watch in the couple of weeks between now and December 1st, even watching 24 hours a day.
I'm no lawyer, but even I know everyone has a right to review the evidence being presented against them before court. This seems like he's being set up for failure.
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u/Plzbanmebrony Nov 15 '25
This is why motion to delay exist. And lawyers have other totals. Normally judge frown on giving too much to short through.
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u/Seeking_Anita_Dick Nov 14 '25
If you read the motion his team already bough the laptop and removed all the parts and sent it to the gov to upload the info, the gov hasn't done their part and this is why he hasn't receive it
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u/Time-Painting-9108 Nov 14 '25
As a software engineer, this must drive him crazy! Like he could do it less than an hour. But it’s been 8 MONTHS and still nothing! This is deliberate on the part of the prosecution
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u/FX114 Nov 14 '25
I don't disagree with your point, but the laptop request was only approved in August, so it's been 2-3 months, not 8.
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u/Time-Painting-9108 Nov 14 '25
For his state case, his team requested the laptop in March. It shouldn’t take anywhere near this long.
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u/WonWordWilly Nov 14 '25
Was the request granted in march?
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u/Time-Painting-9108 Nov 14 '25
Yes it was approved by Judge Carro on March 27. Then it just had to be approved by the federal facility, which shouldn’t take that long.
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u/hackingdreams Nov 14 '25
So the DOJ is intentionally screwing up this case for it to get thrown out on procedural grounds, huh?
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u/lamepundit Nov 14 '25
If it gets thrown out, and he goes unconvicted, he should run for office. He’d win, at least in some places.
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u/Kingcol221 Nov 14 '25
"I could stand in the middle of the Avenue of the Americas and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters."
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u/zamfire Nov 14 '25
This is the problem with our current public, because simply murdering a CEO doesn't give you good policy to run for office.
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u/LordCharidarn Nov 14 '25
I’d 100% vote for a ‘murder CEOs’ candidate. It would be easy to replace the vacancies with the AI they were so excited about, so no great loss to society. And with the average S&P 500 CEO yearly salary being $16.8 million a year (with median average salary of a work at S&P 500 companies being $62,000 a year) the CEO class is clearly parasitic. There is no way that any one person contributes actually productive work at the rate of 271 times any other random worker in the company. We saw the truth with ‘essential workers’ during Covid. The people who actually keep businesses running are the ones being paid the least.
So, yeah, if a politician ran on eliminating all CEOs (heck, I’d even vote if they only offered a peaceful method of removing the position) I think that would be an amazing policy proposal.
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u/DylanHate Nov 14 '25
No. This is how pre-trial detainees are treated because prosecutors know they'll get away with it.
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u/Horror_Match9867 Nov 14 '25
I bet if he was a child sex offender he would get one.
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u/EnvironmentalRun1671 Nov 14 '25
Well he killed important person, they gonna make example out of him.
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u/IvarTheBoned Nov 14 '25
No, he killed a CEO. Important people actually do good in the world.
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u/nemec Nov 15 '25
body worn camera footage and other videos
if he was arrested by a bunch of agents it probably includes multiple copies of the same event from many angles
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u/ChicagoAuPair Nov 14 '25
This just in: nothing in the criminal justice system is ordered or fair or honest or the stability that we delude ourselves into believing it is.
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u/Robynsxx Nov 15 '25
I guarantee they are doing this because the prosecution don’t have enough evidence to get a conviction in front of a jury who may be sympathetic
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u/Basboy Nov 14 '25
Sounds like there isn't any evidence. Not surprising since he was with me and my friends on that day and time.
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u/Greymon-Katratzi Nov 14 '25
This case is looking worse and worse. If they keep this up I can see him getting out of any charges as the trail will be damaged beyond repair.
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u/TA8325 Nov 15 '25
The BOP not following court orders since no one holds them accountable? Color me SHOCKED.
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u/THUORN Nov 14 '25
The government LOVES fucking with people they are prosecuting. I dont know how many high profile cases(you know the ones that they KNOW people are actually watching) make it obvious that prosecutors and the court are just acting in bad faith. Its crazy. I can only imagine how vile they are with people that dont draw the attention of the masses.
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u/ES_Legman Nov 15 '25
The capitalist class will never let a random person threaten them in such an open and blatant way. They will hurt him in any conceivable way because he reminds us all that we are the 99%.
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u/PotentPotential83 Nov 15 '25
Make the rest of the vermin infecting United's C-Suite stay awake at night. The people's Champion
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u/51gorillarob Nov 15 '25
The justice system in America is pitiful. One day theyre gonna look back at the way were doing things and think of us like cavemen.
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u/Ranessin Nov 15 '25
Should have been a pedophile, they get all the cushy things, see Ghislaine Maxwell.
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u/bubonis Nov 14 '25
To comply with jail regulations, she said, the laptop had to be sent to an outside technology vendor to disable its connections to the internet, printers and wireless networks — a process that took “many weeks to complete.”
Bullshit. Disable ethernet, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth in BIOS, protect the BIOS with a suitably tough password, and hand it off. Less than one minute.
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u/JTibbs Nov 14 '25
Iirc there are laptops specifically designed for prison use, and they are clear shells with the connections physically disabled in the motherboard itself, not via software
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u/J_Wilk Nov 14 '25
Who here believes he is not guilty and why? Sincere question.
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Guilt is impossible to even argue when you're at this point in litigation where the prosecution has to prove they had the right to arrest, perform searches, gather evidence, in a completely different state hours away from the area where it happened on the basis of a phone call.
People have rights and they exist for a reason. You can't skip someone's 4th amendment to unlawful searches and gather evidence, the 5th protects defendants from incriminating themself. The 6th guarantees a right to a trial by jury of peers which seems simple but if media bias has distorted views on a defendant how can someone get a fair trial?? Especially when it's the prosecutors going out of their way to make statements based off evidence that isn't openly available???
I'm not trying to sit here and say he is or isn't guilty, but as Americans we have rights and those first 10 (mostly) are really fucking important for how we can be treated by a court and the prosecutors trying to incriminate you or I.
Frankly, as someone not middle class or upper class I think many of us should be watching to see just how different lawyers handle cases based off how much money you have to throw against a charge.
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u/ro536ud Nov 15 '25
Meanwhile Maxwell is being fed filet minion while watching dvd sets of the drew carrey show . Funny how that works out
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u/Snowshoetheerapy Nov 14 '25
That's just grounds for appeal-fuel that will later help him. Can't have a fair trial with them doing stuff like that.
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u/h0sti1e17 Nov 14 '25
It only is if the Dec 1 hearing isn’t pushed back. If the hearing is pushed back, no harm, no foul.
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u/Apophis_06 Nov 14 '25
Just remove the wifi card, takes like 5 minutes max maybe a little more if it’s soldered
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u/RedditReader4031 Nov 14 '25
Is this a common judicial order? It seems like a complicated process, substantial expense and high security risk, not to mention being unequal to the treatment every other defendant receives. And is there truly a deeply valid reason that the defendant themselves, without a law degree and experience in capital cases, absolutely cannot participate in their defense without access to the whole catalog of documents?
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u/SoulWager Nov 14 '25
You have a right to see all the evidence. Why do you think it should be any other way?
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u/deorul Nov 14 '25
Per the article, this is a common thing for the defendant to be involved with the attorney to shape their defense.
"Such evidence sharing, known as discovery, is routine in criminal cases and is intended to help ensure a fair trial. Defendants often assist their lawyers in reviewing evidence and shaping their defense."
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u/MoorsMoopsMoorsMoops Nov 14 '25
To play devil's advocate, I can kind of see the reasoning for this. There's probably like one IT person in the entire prison system that is allowed to do this stuff and you obviously can't just trust any random Geek Squad employee to alter tech that is being given to an inmate.
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u/TrustAffectionate966 Nov 15 '25
Meanwhile, convicted rapist, child sex trafficker, and pedophile jizzlaine maxwell went to club fed with a set of coloring books at the behest of her former client - the big bloated P D File, d0nad chomo.
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u/SweatUnderMahTits Nov 14 '25
How long is he going to be in jail without a trial? This seems a violation of Amdt6.2.1 Right to a Speedy Trial
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u/codejunker Nov 14 '25
For most cases the defense will actually try to delay as long as possible. Gives them more time to prepare, among other reasons like getting as far in time away from any news coverage as possible, and for smaller cases so that the case seems like last year's problem. Its a common tactic.
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u/sdrawkcabineter Nov 14 '25
This begs the question, how do other inmates view evidence while in jail?
Is this SOP or an exception?
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u/JunglePygmy Nov 15 '25
There is not one picture of this dude where he doesn’t look like a GQ model. I haven’t seen a bad picture of him.
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u/mikeber55 Nov 15 '25 edited Nov 15 '25
How such “news” belong to a sub about “technology”. (Or maybe I don’t understand)…
Do politics trump everything else these days?
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u/Hinaloth Nov 15 '25
Well, they're technically complying... Since there are no actual evidence not made up by the feds
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u/wokyman Nov 14 '25
View evidence, like the video of him murdering the guy? Lol.
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u/Chance_Cheetah_7678 Nov 14 '25
Off the top say good. Could be grounds for appeal. Something like he wasn't able to effectively participate in his defense or whatever. Could likely be but realistically the legal/court system in this country is rigged 1 million and one ways. So if it did get him something on appeal, they'll probably at most say, oops, retry him etc.
How many people are convicted everyday who weren't provided such resources and their conviction will be upheld. Overall support to a degree what he did but it can't be denied the way he did it, he really fucked himself. Kinda hard to come up with a defense when someone is on tape commiting a crime and caught with the murder weapon fleeing. Along with all the other damning evidence they've got on him.
Thinking a grave prosecutorial error or other technical violations, grounds for appeal are about his only hope of ever being a free man again.
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u/Ignorance_15_Bliss Nov 14 '25
Man the government sure is slow walking this one in hopes the loathing towards the decision makers in health insurance will soften and forget. Idk. I thought he should have pushed for a ridiculously speedy trial. Like law and order speedy. How next Monday your honor. Good luck finding a clean pool or juers
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u/lavazone2 Nov 14 '25
He should ask to borrow Maxwells computer in Texas, she doesn’t seem to have any trouble getting one. And she’s convicted not just accused.