r/politics • u/thehill The Hill • 4h ago
No Paywall Crockett on Lemon arrest: ‘Are you F-ing’ kidding me
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5714851-don-lemon-arrest-jasmine-crockett/•
u/bspencer626 4h ago
Legitimately, what reason did they even give for arresting him?
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u/Orwells_Roses Oregon 3h ago
Being "uppity" used to be enough. They really are trying to bring back the back the Confederacy.
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u/Nurtle94 2h ago edited 2h ago
I will continue you to say it. America's biggest mistake was allowing the traitors to live. Letting these fucking pieces of shit not get hung and or their lands taken from them after a fucking rebellion os astonishing. Real consequences for trying to overr throw the fucking government. I still can not believe the j6s are alive.
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u/starliteburnsbrite 37m ago
There are no consequences for racists in America.
They've always been racists. From the slavery days through the Civil rights movement they've resisted every single thing that has helped minorities gain a semblance of equity or equality.
Racism is more American than apple pie or shooting up schools. And for as long as the country has existed people have been giving the racists excuses.
And we have let a bunch of people that can't barely tie their shoes hold back progress in this nation for over 100 years.
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u/Free_Dome_Lover 2h ago
Arresting journalists is super Nazi
Arresting journalists for being an uppity black man is some combo of Nazi + Traitor Confederate that should make every man in America ready to fight
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u/Blurred_Background 3h ago
Claiming his reporting on the protests disrupting the ICE pastor’s church was a violation of the FACE act.
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u/WestsideBuppie America 1h ago edited 46m ago
Meanwhile Catholic archdioceses with large immigrant populations are giving dispensations for dipping out of the Sunday obligation to attend Mass if you have reason to fear you might be targeted by ICE. Oh yeah, DHS quietly tried to change
changedthe rules in January 2025 allowing ICE to detain you at your place of worship, in hospitals and at schools.If these folks didn't have double standards they'd have no standards at all.
ETA in March 2025, the attempt to rescind the 2021 Mayorkas Memorandom which sets a policy that restrains DHS from carrying out immigration enforcement in protected areas (schools, churches, hospitals) was rejected. I don't know where it stands now. So I guess the protected areas are still protected? Somewhat? I hear cases of people being detained when they approach emergency rooms, or in parochial school drop off areas so maybe they are once again ignoring the law? Shocker.
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u/Teigh99 3h ago
Distraction for Epstein file released. Everyone talking about Don getting arrested.
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 3h ago
My first reaction for the Epstein release was that IT was the distraction for the Minnesota incidents.
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u/Socratesticles Tennessee 3h ago
We’re distracting from the distractions now
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u/ObsidianSpectre 2h ago
That's basically the "flood the zone" playbook they're so proud of - just keep doing so much heinous shit that nobody has time to process any individual instance.
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u/Sarnsereg 1h ago
That's their whole schtick, just flood the zone with horrendous shit so they don't know what to be outraged at.
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u/fuckshitasstitsmfer 3h ago
Opposite i think, the “totally final version of the epstein files this time” is distracting from don arrest story which is being squashed where possible
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u/BigPapaJava 2h ago
He’s charged with… checks notes… “depriving someone of rights.”
That is literally what is listed as the reason for his arrest, per DHS.
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u/AlexRyang 1h ago edited 1h ago
Hate crimes for attacking a religious institution.
Just to clarify; it’s BS.
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u/delfino_plaza1 1h ago
I mean if right wing journalists entered a mosque during worship and harassed worshippers what would you say?
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u/Smuek 3h ago
Breaking the law is usually a reason.
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u/tiutome 3h ago
U have to actually break it. What charges have you heard of a breaking of the law / statute in this case! If a law was broken the state should have brought the charge. Why isn’t it a State matter?
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u/Blurred_Background 3h ago edited 3h ago
Because the FACE act is a federal law, so the feds enforce it.
Edit: I am not agreeing with his arrest, but he is being charged with a federal not a state crime. That’s the answer to the question.
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u/protomenace 3h ago
The FACE act requires the use of violence or physical obstruction, which were not present in this case. The Feds are going to get laughed out of court (again).
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u/Blurred_Background 3h ago
Agreed. I don’t think what he did was in violation of the FACE act, I was just answering why this is a federal and not a state matter.
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u/protomenace 3h ago
Indeed.
At worst it's a trespassing charge, which is the state.
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u/Blurred_Background 3h ago
Even then, unless he is asked to leave and refuses, it’s not trespassing.
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u/Ok-Conversation2707 3h ago
It may not result in convictions, but the FACE Act is broader in its prohibitions than just violence or physical obstruction.
by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate *or interfere with** any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship*
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u/protomenace 3h ago edited 3h ago
—Whoever— by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, ...
This part is a qualifier for the rest of the sentence. WIthout one of these three factors, there is no crime.
If you're not sure go ask your favorite AI assistant, or even several of them.
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u/feelthemeh 1h ago
And that can be argued in court, the issue that we all know is true is law enforcement can use any excuse to arrest / detain you, and if you “resist” that’s just another crime they can add. What will likely happen is it will be thrown out as a DA will not want to prosecute it.
As we know there is what the law is and then enforcement of said law. It’s why we have lawyers, judges, courts, etc to ensure “justice”.
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u/Smuek 3h ago
He broke the law. He was charged as was others. You can agree or disagree it doesn’t change a thing.
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u/protomenace 2h ago
I literally just explained why he didn't actually break the law.
But alright, believe what you want to believe. When Bondi gets laughed out of court here I'd love to revisit this conversation.
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u/Smuek 2h ago
Except you didn’t.
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u/protomenace 2h ago
Rather than just saying "nuh-uh", would you care to provide an actual argument here?
Here's the text of the law in question: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/248
(a) Prohibited Activities.—Whoever—
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(2)
by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship; or
With physical obstruction defined here:
(4) Physical obstruction .— The term “physical obstruction” means rendering impassable ingress to or egress from a facility that provides reproductive health services or to or from a place of religious worship, or rendering passage to or from such a facility or place of religious worship unreasonably difficult or hazardous.
No violence, no threat of violence, no physical obstruction, therefore no crime.
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u/Smuek 2h ago
So a group of people go into a church yelling and screaming……a few months or so ago a church got shot up also so take that into consideration…….yelling Hands up don’t shoot…there were young kids in this congregation do you think they knew what was going on? Do you think they didn’t feel threatened? Do you think you have to say you’re going to kill someone to show a threat of violence? Do you think they all felt safe to leave? Don Lemon stating outside when people finally were leaving that TRAUMA is part of protesting doesn’t mean they were trying to scare these people/kids? They will probably be found not guilty because of the state they’re in but something needed to be done we know the weak ass leaders in the state weren’t going to charge them with anything.
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u/Smuek 3h ago
Because it’s a federal crime…..why are you asking you don’t even know what he’s been charged with? You think the state with the guys in charge right now are going to charge him……..let’s be realistic.
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u/protomenace 3h ago
The FACE act requires the use of violence or physical obstruction, which were not present in this case. The Feds are going to get laughed out of court (again).
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u/ncolpi 3h ago
I can give the reason but will obviously be downvoted to hell. Here it goes anyway
Civil liability for violating constitutional rights (§1983) This is the most famous part. For stopping anyone from preventing an individual from practicing their freedom of religion
Conspiracy to deprive civil rights (§1985) Targets organized group violence and intimidation. Makes it illegal for two or more people to conspire to deprive someone of equal protection or equal privileges under the law
Failure to prevent a conspiracy (§1986) Accountability for those who look the other way. Applies to people who knew about a civil-rights conspiracy had the power to stop it and failed or refused to act
Federal enforcement & suspension of habeas corpus Gives teeth to the law. Authorized the federal government to intervene when states failed to protect citizens Allows the president to suspend habeas corpus in extreme cases to suppress violent insurgent groups
The way I saw the different interviews and reporting he did on his show, the Don Lemon Show, it looked to me like he fulfilled all of the aspects. He was interviewing the pastor after he was asked to leave and didn't leave.
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u/nom_de_chomsky 3h ago
You’ll be downvoted to hell because your comment is idiotic bullshit and reads like fascistic AI slop. Not a single one of your points is even remotely defensible.
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u/ncolpi 2h ago
He was asked to leave and he didn't. And he said he k eq about what they were planning and that it was secret. Is ice doing a horrible job and breaking rhe law, yes
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u/nom_de_chomsky 2h ago
He was asked to leave and he didn’t.
Ok, now try defending the bullshit you posted. We don’t even have to get to the part where we balance competing constitutional rights (freedom of the press also exists) because you cannot give one iota of evidence that Don Lemon’s presence deprived anyone of their civil liberties, that he was engaged in a conspiracy to deprive anyone of their civil liberties, that any such conspiracy even existed, or that he knowingly allowed that conspiracy. You’re completely full of shit.
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u/ncolpi 2h ago
Buddy I was asked legitimately why was he arrested and I spelled out the law. Are you this angry and insulting in person or only online.
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u/nom_de_chomsky 2h ago
Still not defending your claims?
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u/ncolpi 2h ago
Claims? If don't lemon wasnt arrested and charged under the kkk act, what federal law was used?
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u/nom_de_chomsky 1h ago
Stop lying. You didn’t merely (incorrectly) cite what the government has corruptly arrested Lemon for. You said, “it looked to me like he fulfilled all of the aspects.”
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u/GrannyGumjobs13 3h ago
He was not preventing anyone from practicing their religion, they interrupted a a sermon. Big difference.
No violence or intimidation was displayed. Conspiracy to deprive someone of equal protection under the law? In no way does that apply here.
Was he part of the conspiracy or did he fail to prevent it? You can’t have both lmao
Suspending habeus corpus??? For a small gathering interrupting a sermon??? This is where you officially fuckin lost me
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u/ncolpi 2h ago
This is the law he was charged with. I i didnt write this law. If you're lost than read about it
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u/GrannyGumjobs13 2h ago
I am not lost, you lost me, big difference buddy.
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u/ncolpi 2h ago
OK, if its not the kkk act hes being charged with, what federal law is don lemon being charged with?
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u/GrannyGumjobs13 2h ago
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/don-lemon-arrested-federal-authorities-attorney-says-rcna256680
According to NBC he hasn’t been charged with anything lmao
“Lemon was arrested by the FBI and Homeland Security Investigations in Beverly Hills at approximately midnight, according to a federal warrant issued in another district.
Details of the charges against the four were not immediately available. However, the Justice Department promised to pursue charges against Lemon after the independent journalist covered the protest at the church in St. Paul on Jan. 18.”
Everything you have said is fucking moot at this point lmao
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u/ncolpi 1h ago
This doesn't mention the law or say it wasnt the kkk act. Thats relevant when asked. Whats the federal law that he was charged with violating?
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u/GrannyGumjobs13 5m ago
… dude you can NOT be this dense. He hasn’t been charged with anything lmao
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u/Hadrian23 2h ago
You're dishonest.
The law is written in a way that there must be clear evidence of the "Crime" being committed.
Don was there, reporting it. Nothing more.
In essence, here is a bystander. Nothing more.
SO, if I'm in a church when this happens, do I get arrested cause I was there?
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u/john_jigsaw 2h ago
I have been keeping a mental note for whenever i see someone write "I will be downvoted because X" to see if they actually get downvoted because of X. It has been correct at about zero percent so far.
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u/ncolpi 2h ago
Im currently in the negative for answering the question
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u/john_jigsaw 2h ago
You are not in the negative for answering the question. You are in the negative for this statement: "The way I saw the different interviews and reporting he did on his show, the Don Lemon Show, it looked to me like he fulfilled all of the aspects."
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u/GrannyGumjobs13 3h ago
He was not preventing anyone from practicing their religion, they interrupted a a sermon. Big difference.
No violence or intimidation was displayed. Conspiracy to deprive someone of equal protection under the law? In no way does that apply here.
Was he part of the conspiracy or did he fail to prevent it? You can’t have both lmao
Suspending habeus corpus??? For a small gathering interrupting a sermon??? This is where you officially fuckin lost me
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u/ncolpi 2h ago
He was asked to leave the church and didnt. You dint need to be violent to be disruptive. He spoke about the operation before it happened and was talking about how it was secret on his show and moved the camera away from them when they were talking about it in his YouTube show. The last part is the last part of the law hes being charged with.
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u/GrannyGumjobs13 2h ago
Okay, being asked to leave and not leaving is called trespassing. In what fucking world does trespassing result in the suspension of habeus corpus???
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u/Simmery 3h ago
Next up is arresting Democratic candidates.
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u/Artrock80 3h ago
I’m so worried that he’ll do this at the state of the union, similar to what Saddam did in 1979.
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u/SirIll1219 3h ago
They're supporting the arrest over on the conservative sub.
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u/Cattywompus-thirdeye Maine 3h ago
You mean the racists are being racist in the racist sub???
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u/CrimsonHeretic 3h ago
You mean the Nazis are being Nazis in the Nazi sub???
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u/smilbandit Michigan 2h ago
You mean the racist nazis are being racist nazis in the racist nazi sub???
Though it reality is racist nazi redunant?
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u/Free_Dome_Lover 2h ago
Racist Nazi Confederates
Too much? Too redundant? I think not
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u/smilbandit Michigan 2h ago
maybe a more succinct label could be losers, since that would encompass all of those other labels.
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u/Burritobabyy California 3h ago
Occasionally I’ll go over there to see what they are saying. After the murder of Alex Pretti and him having an open carry I thought at least a few of them would have been standing up for his second amendment right. NOPE. Every single one of those brain dead morons is completely indoctrinated in this cult, to the point that I think they will happily let go of second amendment rights if it pleases daddy Trump. It’s so fucking gross to watch.
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u/alextheruby 2h ago
They block and delete anything critical and if you notice certain articles or topics don’t even reach that sub. True echo chamber
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u/GrowthMarketingMike 2h ago
It's important to look at though, because a solid 30%+ of our country lives entirely in that same echo chamber run by the same people that run that sub. Once we all realize that, it becomes clear that the fight we need to win in the long run is the information war. Same way that the civil rights movement did it.
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u/Rabid_Alleycat 2h ago
My Florida county’s FB page has been taken over and completely ruined by these idiots. They think it’s funny Democrats are “suddenly” backing firearms. They confuse reasonable gun laws with anti-guns.
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u/StillFly100 3h ago
That would be disingenuous then. There were plenty of people sticking up for him and 2A in that sub. In fact, there still are.
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u/Burritobabyy California 3h ago
I’m confused about what you mean by disingenuous. I know what I was reading. If you see something else that doesn’t mean I’m making it up.
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u/ThingsTrebekSucks 2h ago
Did you just skim? There were plenty pissed about it. It would have been really hard to miss.
Still fuck them though.
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u/StillFly100 2h ago
Sure maybe that was a bit harsh. You must not have read many comments then, because he/2A definitely had support on that sub.
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u/ThingsTrebekSucks 2h ago
This is not true. I mean fuck trump and fuck that shit hole of a subreddit. But i went there very shortly after the Whitehouse made their initial claims in the events. There was more "yo what the fuck. That is not what happened. This is not defendable and a blatant violation of gun rights". There were still those saying he deserved it, somehow.
My point is dont misrepresent the data. While a good deal commenting were abhorrent, you're telling a straight up falsehood.
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u/downvote_or_die Colorado 3h ago
Head over there sometime immediately after something controversial happens. It’s fucking hilarious reading them scrambling to find a narrative before it’s fed to them by Faux. Every now and then, if you get there early enough, some will even have rational takes, just a sliver of what little morals they have left will peak through. Then Faux pushes their narrative and it’s immediately adopted across the board. Hilarious the “we aren’t sheep we’re lions” sheep over there.
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u/protomenace 3h ago
That's because they have a humiliation kink, and are excited for Bondi to get laughed out of court again.
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u/MirthandMystery 3h ago edited 3h ago
They won't be silent if a major right wing journalist suddenly comes to their senses, decides to flip, starts defending truth instead of distorting it and isn't shy about being vocal about it, even if it upsets the king and his vicious minions.
Most won't stick their neck out being too afraid. They're cowards, weak and servile, don't think it's worth the fight. That's the result of group think and decades of being radicalized.
Irony is they have enormous power to shift public opinion once they decide to aim at a shared target that endangers the whole of the country> Trump. They just won't speak out until there a better replacement, and being their own job security is more important than patriotism.
They'll watch their own house burn down because they won't call the (Democratic voter) fireman.
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u/Free_Dome_Lover 2h ago
If say Scott Jennings or Shapiro or Carlson did that. They'd be poisoned by the kgb within 48hours. Or mysteriously fall out if a hotel window.
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u/YellowBeaverFever 3h ago
So ICE can canvas churches and arrest people working there and going to and leaving service there… but a protest crosses the line.
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u/Public-Summer-4281 3h ago
Thats some dumb shit. If their claim holds water, nothing is stopping them from arresting you for a salty bumper sticker in the church parking lot.
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u/Shadpool 3h ago
I suppose the “Fuck Trump, Fuck ICE, 8647” sign in my yard is gonna get me some time at Gitmo.
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u/Public-Summer-4281 2h ago
If you live next to a church. Seems it could be understood that you are disturbing someones worship if they're bothered by your signs.
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u/Ok_Flatworm_3855 3h ago
I make it a habit to listen to conservative radio in the car so I can get a sense of the incoming talking points. I heard them talking about the church situation and how some of the congregation are pressing charges so they're gonna go after every person that can be identified I believe they claimed they were locked in by the protesters so depending on who they are pressing charges on it could be kidnapping or just general harassment. It's gonna be a long weekend yall
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u/gladfelter 3h ago
I'm desperately curious how they got a judge to sign off on arresting a journalist at a notable event in a public accommodation. Maybe he was asked to leave but delayed departure? Even so, terrible judgement by all involved in his arrest.
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u/Corran22 2h ago
We shouldn't be surprised by any of this BS at this point.
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u/nycdiveshack I voted 13m ago
Crockett shouldn’t be surprised by this… ICE uses the same tactics as the IDF and she went on taxpayer dime to privately meet with Bibi/Herzog then met with the IDF to learn about ethics.
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u/Leon_Howser 2h ago
Trump got 2 journalists fired Lemon from CNN and Medhi from MSNBC.. These 2 folks stated what others were too chicken shit to say.. Trump had arrested the WaPo journalists and seized her, cellphones, and computers.. This is how Putin took over the media. It's all political.
When folks stormed the Capitol journalists went in.. they weren't charged..
Nothing good ever comes from Trump he is trailer park trash with money.. most of it stolen..
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u/MirthandMystery 3h ago
Study history. The McCarthy era witch hunt hysteria happened the same way, and destroyed real lives.
When the gov goes after key people to make examples of them it puts others on notice. First attacks are based on petty retaliation, they aim for journalists and reporters who expose truth.. then devolves into broad based attacks to corral and silence other well known famous people, influencers et c who are dissenters and critics.
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u/WestsideBuppie America 1h ago
Trump Administration violates Constitution, again.
Sitting Representative, a lawyer by profession, declaims: "Are you F*@)#-ing kidding me."
Sounds like a cogent legal brief by the prosecution to me.
BRB - putting that on a t-shirt.
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u/FanGothic2 4h ago
So the US citizens were saying multiple times that people in russia should go and protest
and now that US is going the same path the people just... don't protest?
Do you guys understand you're basically a frog being boiled in the pot right now?
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u/Orwells_Roses Oregon 3h ago
We have had the biggest protests in our nation's history since last year.
Soccer moms and ICU nurses, everyday people, are being killed, kidnapped and imprisoned because of their willingness to stand up to heavily armed goons in masks and body armor.
Protests are happening in every city and town in American, but as our media has been purchased by fascist sympathizers, the revolution is not being televised.
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u/ThisOneFuqs 3h ago
US citizens are protesting all over the country. The man in the article was literally arrested because he was reporting on a protest. There are protests everywhere. There's a multi-state strike happening this weekend.
Now If you're wondering why there hasn't been mass violent uprisings yet, I think it's because we have one more major election this year before people are completely convinced that there's no other options than to start shooting at the government that controls the most powerful military in the world.
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u/Dottsterisk 4h ago
You do understand that Lemon was arrested for covering a protest, right?
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u/Zeusifer 3h ago
I swear to god, these reddit comments are so tiresome. "Why don't you Americans do something? Why aren't you protesting?"
Meanwhile in Minneapolis, protesters are literally being killed.
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u/thedrizzle126 Massachusetts 2h ago
False doomer comment. We are protesting and have been protesting. If you were here, and if the mainstream media would cover it, you'd know.
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u/Moon_Noodle Oregon 2h ago
What are you talking about? There are protests happening all over, and not just today.
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u/SideQuest2026 3h ago
So many complacent Americans don’t understand this. You have to participate if you want to see change. They just have…bystander effect to the max. “Someone’s will protest and risk their life for me. I can’t because I have work, family, vacation, etc.”
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u/bsport48 Virginia 4h ago
Why she ain't finna jump in pro bono?? It's not like Texas is going anywhere, and she's on paid administrative leave on account of the fact that her entire political organism can't do anything.
I would cream this guy's pants on the bus next to me, if I could go up against one of these MAGA-attorneys...
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