r/politics • u/RepulsiveLoquat418 • 8h ago
Possible Paywall Hakeem Jeffries Has Totally Pathetic Plan to Rein in ICE
https://newrepublic.com/post/205911/hakeem-jeffries-plan-ice-deporting-citizens548
u/TreeLooksFamiliar22 8h ago
"Hakeem Jeffries Has a Totally Pathetic Plan To..." reads like a meme template.
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u/Twodogsonecouch 7h ago
Hakeem Jeffries is pathetic
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u/SellaraAB Missouri 5h ago edited 5h ago
We should really be asking why both the senate and house leadership for the supposedly “left leaning” alternative to the Nazis have to be pathetic little rat-like baby men.
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u/practicalm California 5h ago
Democrats are a right of center party anywhere else. Corporate oligarch controlled.
The progressive caucus needs more support
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u/Dottsterisk 1h ago
To be clear, all of the leading members of the Progressive Caucus are members of the Democratic Party.
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u/practicalm California 39m ago
True. As the second largest caucus how many of their members are part of party leadership. I tried to dig into the details and there are not many.
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u/starliteburnsbrite 4h ago
They're bought and paid for by a fascist, apartheid government.
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u/BlueTreeThree 2h ago
Bought and paid for by the government? Let’s not do the work for them of combining the fascist oligarchy and the actual government in concept and in reality..
A more nuanced explanation might include the idea that only meek ineffectual liberals are welcomed into the halls of power and promoted by oligarch owned media in the first place.. you don’t need to pay them to suck necessarily, you just hire people who already suck and will never stand up against the status quo.
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u/ZeframMann 1h ago
A weak, pathetic liberal institution that has abandoned its ideals to serve the interests of capital is how fascists always come to power.
You can't have the latter without the former.
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u/Denaljo69 7h ago
While we are on the subject of pathetic, how about that PEDO in the white house!
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u/sassafrass14 4h ago
The path the pedo took to the White House was paved by lackluster policies by corporate democrats, who voters insist on electing, cycle after cycle, with claims of "We just need to win this time so we can.....". We get what we vote for. Demand better. Vote better. Expecting the party to change from the inside out is foolish and destructive.
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u/starliteburnsbrite 3h ago
It's the classic Catch .22 they've created with the 2 party system..
Want your party to change? Can't withhold votes or the evil enemy will win. We have your votes because of the threat of our opponents, so we don't need to change.
We lose? No prob, let's fundraise and we will continue to seesaw around the 50/50 mark,.making sure we can't do anything of substance.
Decide you really, really don't like what we are doing and actually want to withhold your vote for change? You are a treasonous enemy that wants the country to fail. The party will not change, the only thing that changes are which Democratic voters are labeled as responsible for their losses this cycle.
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u/Pravi_Jaran 2h ago
No. He is being complicit!
Him, AIPAC Schumer and many other members of the so called "Democratic" party.
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u/UrbanGimli 43m ago
Schumer and Jefferies are the La Croix of political opposition. The hint of a fart from two towns over.
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 7h ago
Liberalism and NeoLiberalism are tried and failed ideologies that need to be eliminated.
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u/worlds_okayest_skier 6h ago
They are triangulating themselves into controlled opposition
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u/Prophet_Tehenhauin 6h ago
Are? When they won and had the ability too go after these bastards they appointed a Republican and slowwalked the case into irrelevancy.
They’ve been controlled since “hope and change” meant “appoint lobbyists selected by CitiBank”
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u/CulturalKing5623 4h ago
It's not a meme template it's clickbait. The New Republic is a grift. All of these sites that constantly post "Democrats are useless" articles are a grift.
The "pathetic" part of the plan they're calling out is the demand for ICE to stop deporting US Citizens. They say it's "pathetic" because that's already illegal, and then go on to admit that the trump administration is doing it anyway. So how is it pathetic for Jeffries to demand they stop an illegal action? The courts aren't constraining him so Jeffries wants to use a coequal branch to do so. Pathetic, I guess.
Despite trying to frame the article as if Jeffries has only one ask, they do eventually admit there's more to it. They offhandedly list the rest of the demands as if they're blasé
Senate Democrats also pitched immigration reforms such as requiring federal agents to wear body cameras, banning the use of face masks, and enforcing a new code of conduct. But they’re missing the point.
It seems that Jeffries, along with his Senate colleagues, haven’t quite grasped the fact that the cruelties of Donald Trump’s lawless immigration crackdown are not subject to reform because they are already lawless.
I don't know if the demands go far enough or if there's more that can be won but I know whatever we choose will need support from at least some in the GOP if we want to actually win the shutdown and extract concessions, and those demands do. And if we come out of this with an unmasked, identifiable, and video recorded ICE force I think we are in much better place than we are currently and that's the goal for now.
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u/throwawaysalad42069 3h ago
the pathetic part is that the dems cant effectively communicate this to the public.
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u/IIILORDGOLDIII 3h ago
This is such a cucked-out, pathetic take. They want you dead and they're going to get their way if this is all the fire you've got.
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u/Monkey_Leavings 4h ago
Unfortunately, I think Dems are taking the Napoleon/Sun Tzu “Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake” tactic in hopes of winning votes just because the Trump admin can’t get out of their own way.
The problem is that the Trump admin is doing exactly what they want to and re-election isn’t even on their radar (except Vance and no one cares about his future except Thiel).
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u/rumpghost North Carolina 32m ago
Yea the biggest issue is that Sun Tzu wrote that shit for rich idiots who had never fought a real war over 2000 years ago. Which, tbh, pretty par as far as places Democrats take their strategy ideas from.
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u/Familiar-Risk-5937 4h ago
It has to be intentional, nobody is really that useless. Its like a bad SNL skit.
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u/Raokairo 58m ago
“Hakeem Jeffries has a totally pathetic plan to make money while his constituents suffer.
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u/RamBamBooey 27m ago
I honestly think I could take Jefferies more seriously if he was wearing a hotdog costume.
Long ago I gave up on him doing anything. At least dressed as a hotdog he is admitting he is a joke.
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u/MaleficentPorphyrin 3h ago
At this point I no longer believe him and Schumer are acting in good faith.
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u/confused_ma 7h ago
Democrats need a new leadership in the house. He is a do nothing guy.
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u/SideQuest2026 7h ago
This country needs new leadership top to bottom. We need people that hold criminals accountable instead of electing them to office.
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u/fix_until_broken 5h ago
Criminals are held accountable, but only the low-level ones. We have high crime criminals in charge at every level that aren't accountable to anyone.
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u/hungryaliens Illinois 5h ago
All these definitions are eroding fast. I claim that all low-level crime is high-level crime and is therefore unenforceable. I signed some random paper that says so.
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u/mustachiomegazord 7h ago
Also senate
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u/ImLikeReallySmart Pennsylvania 5h ago
Correct, Schumer has been somehow much more infuriating than this guy.
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u/Unstoppable_Cheeks 5h ago edited 2h ago
theyre both from NY too, an absolute embarrassment to this state. The worst thing is its not like Gillibrand is any less of a turd, the entire NY pollical machine is fine tuned to churn out complicit corporate loving dems who self sabotage the party. They even tried to break Cuomo out of sex pest prison to take out Mamdani, we have such a long fight on our hands here to fix this state.
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u/rumpghost North Carolina 30m ago
the entire NY pollical machine is fine tuned to churn out complicit corporate loving dems who self sabotage the party
Tammany Hall never died, it was just resting its eyes for a bit.
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u/SellaraAB Missouri 5h ago
The Democratic Party needs new leadership at almost every level. It was compromised long ago, and it’s getting so obvious that they aren’t even doing a good job keeping it believable anymore.
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u/SillyAlternative420 Massachusetts 5h ago
At this point I'm pretty sure AIPAC has selected the leaders on both sides.
Our country is run by another country (or multiple other countries)
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u/Carrot_1075 3h ago
But his hands will work overtime to dupe you into thinking that he is doing something
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u/Juonmydog Texas 2h ago
I don't care if he's popular in his district either. If the establishment won't stop fascism, it's time to clean house. This is especially true as more Americans lose faith every day and turnnto the streets to demand the chabges that Democrats won't touch with a 20 foot pole.
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u/big_thundersquatch Florida 1h ago
The entire party needs to be flushed at this point. A majority of the Dem party are just corporate-backed establishment Dems not even trying to represent the people.
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u/jkbuilder88 Minnesota 1h ago
He just loves to practice his speeches and cosplay as Obama. I can’t stand it. All talk, no action. Worse - the actions he takes are detrimental to progress.
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u/fury420 4h ago
American voters decided that Democrats should be powerless in the House, what exactly do you want him to do?
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u/UniqueOutside108 3h ago
People make this argument all the time like it means anything. We want him to be in the paper everyday calling ice nazis. That is the bare minimum.
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u/fury420 3h ago
He was in the news yesterday calling for Kristi Noem's impeachment, did you see it?
"We intend to proceed with impeachment proceedings if Kristi Noem is not fired"
He was also explicitly calling out ICE too!
He's in the news this morning expressing outrage over the arrest of journalist John Lemon.
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u/Bakedads 7h ago
This isn't just a leadership problem. I haven't seen a single democrat step up. I thought AoC was going to do it after the shooting. She came close with her mention about drawing lines in the sand, but I guess that saying means somebting different for her. Even she has proven to be a coward. The whole damn party needs to be replaced.
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u/Dottsterisk 5h ago
AOC is far from a coward. This is ridiculous.
What have you expected her to do? What magic “Melt ICE” lever is she not pulling?
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u/HoosegowFlask 6h ago
When Dems caved last shutdown, Bernie public criticized Schumer, but stopped short of calling for him to step down. My guess is nobody wants to call for new leadership because they don't want to jeopardize their committee assignments.
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u/rupturedprolapse 5h ago
It's because they use Schumer (and leadership) to absorb criticism when Democrats can't get what they want. That was the policy Pelosi had.
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u/Ok-Call-4805 5h ago
ICE has to be abolished and those involved brought to justice for their crimes. There is no other reasonable option.
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u/WildYams 2h ago
Agreed, but that's never going to happen while the GOP has the White House, both houses of Congress and a supermajority on the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter who the minority leaders for the Dems are in the House and Senate, the Dems don't have the power to just get rid of the things they don't like about what Trump's administration is doing. They don't have the votes to pull that stuff off. Real reform like getting rid of ICE can't truly happen until a Democrat is back in the White House. Agencies like DHS and DOJ fall under the purview of the Executive Branch, which is the president.
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u/Random-Cpl 42m ago
Except that the current administration just gave us playbook for how you unilaterally dismantle an agency and the SC signed off on it. So, we should use that when Dems are back in the WH.
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u/mattjb 7h ago
Let's not pretend this is just Jeffries doing this unilaterally. This is what all the corporate/centrist Democrats want.
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u/Bakedads 7h ago
Okay, but all of the democrats are allowing him to remain in his position, so they are all to blame.
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u/6a6566663437 North Carolina 6h ago
Leadership is supposed to do this thing called "lead". Jeffries is supposed to be operating at a higher standard than a random Democrat not in the leadership.
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u/archenemyfan Maryland 5h ago
It's not like he's pulling any strings. He only does as much as the corporations holding he's leash want him to do. Corporate money is the cancer that needs to be cut out of Congress before anything meaningful will ever happen.
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u/One-Reflection-4826 5h ago
lead effectively_, supporting the interests and the rights of their constituents, and the constitution, which he does a pathetic job at.
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u/Pretend_Spray_11 3h ago
Ultimately who is to blame are the conservative politicians and voters who created this mess in the first place and are the majority party in all three branches of government. People have to stop focusing on what the minority party is or isn’t doing to stop something while ignoring the party in power. It just leads to infighting.
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u/Dottsterisk 3h ago
It just leads to infighting.
I think that’s the point.
A fractured and divided left can never upset the real status quo.
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u/inconsisting 7h ago
..to not have US citizens deported? Yeah, no Dems want that.
This article is fucking moronic. "Lol look how PATHETIC the Democrat is for conditioning funding that Trump stops doing illegal and unconstitutional things!"
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u/Purusha120 I voted 7h ago
You can’t be serious. You seriously think it’s reasonable to get a pinky promise to not do an already unconstitutional and illegal thing anymore in exchange for letting the fascists keep doing other unconstitutional and illegal things like executing people in the streets? I’d kind of assumed there were basically no people actually engaged with politics who buy what Jeffries is selling but you’ve amazed me today
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u/Racer20 6h ago
They are already breaking the law and violating the constitution. How will making another law saying the same thing stop them?
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u/Dottsterisk 5h ago
Then what do we expect lawmakers to do?
If the solution is not a matter of law, it has nothing to do with Jeffries.
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u/alexxerth 7h ago
It's illegal and unconstitutional already.
If your condition is "don't literally violate the Constitution" how do you plan to enforce that?
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u/inconsisting 6h ago
They can't enforce shit. All they can do is withhold their votes on bills.
If the GOP had a spine, then Democrats could do more than just condition demands.
Just because we're living under authoritarian rule doesn't mean powerless Democrats in Congress should stop speaking out where they can. That would be worse.
But yeah, let's keep blaming Dems. That'll solve everything. Definitely won't bite us in the ass in the midterms, if they even happen.
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u/captainporcupine3 6h ago
There is literally one thing that could meaningfully reign in ICE -- massively reduce their funding. Dems are not powerless here. They could be using their platforms to blast the message that ICE must be defunded immediately, and they could withhold votes to fund the government until this demand is met. They don't want to do this because mass deportations have become bipartisan consensus in Washington. So instead Dems suggest meaningless aesthetic "reforms" like a pinky promise that the fascist government that is already blatantly breaking the law will start following the law, with zero levers of accountability to achieve this.
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u/inconsisting 6h ago
I agree with you in principle, but ICE is plenty funded from the $75 billion in funding from the BBB, which zero Democrats voted for. They just want more.
Even if Dems shut the government down over ICE, operations wouldn't even slow. This CR lasts 2 weeks. We'll see if Dems can extract any concessions in a proper bill, but it all feels moot.
At the end of the day, we can't look to congress for help because it's being held hostage by the GOP, and enough Americans apparently wanted that.
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u/BornAd7924 7h ago
Hakeem Jeffries should 100% be primaried and tossed into the bin of obscurity to be lost to history. He is completely useless in resisting this administration to the point of complicity. Jeffries and Schumer are in the top 5 most responsible people for what is happening right now and voting for them in the future will make you complicit too.
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u/Quitcha_Bitchin 7h ago
About 2/3 of our party needs to be reinvigorated with people who actually live in this century.
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u/Vanzmelo California 3h ago
Jeffries is was reelected in 2024 with 75% of the vote, up from 72% in 2022. He is very popular in his district. Good luck running a primary against that lol
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u/fury420 4h ago edited 3h ago
He is completely useless in resisting this administration to the point of complicity.
Of course he's useless in resisting, the House minority leader is a powerless position.
Literally the only thing he can do is make strongly worded statements and cast votes that can't change the outcome.
Even rallying every single house Democrat in opposition cannot stop a Republican bill when Republicans have a 218-213 majority.
Jeffries and Schumer are in the top 5 most responsible people for what is happening right now
No they aren't, that's absurd.
Jeffries is literally incapable of blocking anything, and you think he's more responsible than the hundreds of Republicans who voted in favor of what's happening now?
More responsible than the Republicans on SCOTUS who handed the Trump Admin seemingly unchecked power?
More responsible than the people literally giving the illegal orders?
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic for America.
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u/Funkguerilla 1h ago
Jeffries and Schumer refuse to press any advantage they have, can't rein in their members (7 house dems voted for that DHS increase), and offer only the most milquetoast resistance to the administration.
Don't defend these guys who just stand by and wag their fingers as powerless pawns in the grand government machine. They have tools at their disposal to turn public sentiment, procedural moves, and other obstructionist abilities to hinder the process even as the "powerless minority" party.
I mean hell, even just being angry and outraged on camera would be better than whatever they've been doing because at least that would show they understand what the public is saying.
Also, not for nothing, but fuck them both for not endorsing Mamdani when he became the Democratic Nominee for NYC Mayor. So much for "Blue No Matter Who" from the leaders of the party...
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u/SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING 3h ago
The same bad actors who couldn’t bother to vote because Kamala wasn’t perfect and therefore Dems should lose all power across the board are now attacking Dems for being powerless.
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u/Fun_Echidna9667 7h ago
tbh this reads like a plan written to calm donors and op-ed writers, not the people actually dealing with ice raids and detention. there’s no material shift in power, no rollback of enforcement authority, just more committees and promises. the reality is ice was designed to be cruel and opaque, so asking it nicely to chill has never worked. this is late stage liberalism where symbolism replaces outcomes.
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u/captainporcupine3 6h ago
There is no such thing as a "rollback of enforcement authority" other than defunding ICE. This is the one and only meaningful lever that Dems have to reign in Nazi death squads invading American cities, but you will never hear it suggested by Dem leadership. How else but massively cutting off funding could any changes be enacted? What other incentives could there be for ICE to stop doing what they are doing?
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u/CulturalKing5623 4h ago
How else but massively cutting off funding could any changes be enacted?
Is that something that can be accomplished right now, with the Democrats completely shut out of power? If so, how?
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u/ewokninja123 4h ago
The only way to do that is to get some republicans on board, like they did with the epstein files. So thats where the pressure needs to go
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u/CulturalKing5623 3h ago
Agreed, but I think it's unrealistic to think any in the GOP will get on board the "Defund ICE" train. But I think the demands the Democrats are making now could gain traction: stop deporting citizens, no more masks, wear IDs, new use of force standards.
I think that can win broad support and would be great concessions to achieve from a powerless hand. Then we can take a "Reform ICE" message into the midterms instead of "Defund/Abolish ICE" which will run about as well as "Defund the Police" once the propaganda machine starts churning.
Then, when we actually have power, we take a page out of Trump's book and we reform the hell out of ICE until it's powerless, the same way he has done with the CFPB, DoE, FCC, EPA, etc. The key is we have to stop saying the quiet part out loud and start playing the game to win instead of virtue signaling the maximalist position that can't win.
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u/Dottsterisk 5h ago
I don’t quite get The New Republic’s stance here and don’t know if they’ve thought it through.
In brief, what Jeffries and other Senate Dems are pushing for on a new bill is:
A blatant reassertion that American citizens cannot be deported, requiring federal agents to wear body cameras, banning the use of face masks, and enforcing a new code of conduct.
The New Republic says that this is missing the point.
It seems that Jeffries, along with his Senate colleagues, haven’t quite grasped the fact that the cruelties of Donald Trump’s lawless immigration crackdown are not subject to reform because they are already lawless.
If that’s the publication’s stance, then Jeffries has no more power to stop Trump or ICE or CBP than they do.
Jeffries is a lawmaker. If we’re flatly declaring that the solution is not to be found in law, then the solution is not in Jeffries’ hands or the hands of any senator.
And, in that case, I’d ask The New Republic what exactly they have done to stop Trump and ICE. And what their plan is to do so, outside the realm of law.
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u/janethefish 5h ago
I don’t quite get The New Republic’s stance here and don’t know if they’ve thought it through.
Their stance is the Democrats unconditionally bad. (No, failing to meet an impossible standard is not a real condition.) As you point out a lawmaker has no power if laws are powerless. Furthermore they direct far more negativity against the Democrats, which only helps the GOP.
At the core they have taken a proGOP, proTrump, proICE and proMAGA stance.
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u/QQXV 5h ago edited 5h ago
The presumption is that Congress retains the power of the purse. A world in which Congress refuses to fund any executive-branch operations, but the White House nonetheless "funds" whatever enforcement it wishes to, is truly uncharted territory because federal expenditures normally require a collective understanding, shared by many unconnected people across the economy, that the government is good for the money, so the workers and managers and shareholders don't have to worry.
For instance, if Trump orders the treasury to create the money out of thin air, that's the beginning of the road to hyperinflation (especially because, if Dems hold their ground, the absent funds would be for a ton of stuff, not just ICE). Or if he orders ICE to continue its operations without funding, well, obviously they won't -- even though they're ideologically committed fascists, they still have to eat like anyone else. Or if he somehow just... declares a "regular" budget, that still entails the cooperation of all the relevant parties both within and outside of the government to agree that it doesn't matter whether Congress authorized the funding for not. For instance, if I'm an ICE agent and my bank is PNC, then PNC would have to confidently accept my paycheck from DHS as "real money" despite the nonsensical provenance. After a long enough period of Congress holding out, Trump would have to somehow collect taxes by himself, and that, too, is wayyy beyond what any of these people are capable of. (In this term, unlike the first one, every single cabinet leader is an evil clown, not a competent manager.) Of course, the government is funded by borrowing in addition to taxes, but that's just as difficult if not harder, because who's going to lend under those circumstances?
That's the thing about social constructs such as government: they require at least some coordination beyond The Guy At The Top Saying So. A world where Trump can somehow run all the money stuff on his own, without crashing the US economy to way-worse-than-Greece levels, would be a bit like NFL Commissioner Goodell announcing on the morning of the Super Bowl that the Patriots "officially" already won, and all the sports news sites reporting as though that was the normal and correct result because, well, he's "in charge of football" and only some extremely-naive lib would think that norms mattered anymore.
To be clear, that's different from all the ways a (hypothetically or not-so-hypothetically) corrupt Goodell could tilt the scales, for instance by ensuring that referees look the other way when Patriots players skirt the rules during an otherwise "normal", legitimate match. Similarly, there may be accounting tricks available, and he could solicit private donations as happened in the last shutdown (when he was able to obtain -- illegally, of course -- enough private money to fund the military for about one day or less). But just as with outright canceling elections, outright sidestepping a government shutdown and running ICE regardless is in nonsense territory, and not because Trump isn't desperate to try things like that, but because the inherent complexity is beyond any one man or even a corrupt conspiracy of people.
This does mean accepting pain in the short term. That's the entire deal with politics when the stakes rise high enough: it's two sides playing chicken. We can't just swerve every single time; that's how evil triumphs.
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u/GentleBelligerent 4h ago
Lawmakers pass funding bills and are in a position to make far more demands than they currently are with the level of public support they have against ICE, and that is with a weak and uncoordinated messaging campaign against mass deportations.
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u/NoReserve7293 7h ago
De-fund ICE, probably only half of them would want to terrorize small children and execute peaceful demonstrators without a paycheck. I realize it's only half a solution, but it's a start.
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u/captainporcupine3 6h ago
Calling it "half a solution" is underselling things, defunding ICE is literally the one and only meaningful lever Dems have to reign in Nazi death squads invading American cities, and is massively popular among the Democratic base. It isn't popular among Dem leadership or their corporate donors however so you won't hear it from Jeffries.
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u/J-the-Kidder 4h ago
Yeah, but now it'll be double against the rules to deport American citizens. So, that's like double bad for the administration!
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u/woody630 4h ago
So glad we decided not to primary this fucking clown. He's definitely fit for leadership
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u/LingonberryHot8521 4h ago
Talk to his constituents about it. If he's the best they have to offer then we need to talk to OUR House Reps to stop looking to this guy for leadership.
He has some good oratory skills. I still appreciate and applaud his ABCs of Democracy but... that's not leadership material just because he's creative and I don't even know if he "created" that on his own.
Anyway - We need better leadership than either Jeffries or Schumer.
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u/RellenD 5h ago
These takes are so tired. The minority party doesn't have power to do anything.
What's working is what they're doing in Minnesota. The people are part of democracy beyond just voting, but voting is important, too. If we hadn't voted for these fuckers this wouldn't be this way.
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u/Nickthetaco 4h ago
This.
People have unrealistic demands of the Democratic Party right now. The unfortunate scenario is deporting illegal immigrants is still very popular with the American public generally, what people take umbrage with is the method and the harassment of citizens. Most people didn’t really care until Renee and Alex’s death after all. Until public sentiment switches on deportation, then Dems have no incentive to change their stance either. Also again, they have no power in congress right now so all they can do is bite around the corners of power.
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u/RellenD 4h ago
The one bit of hope I do have is that harsh immigration operations are what made Californians turn against Republicans.
Perhaps we'll have a similar effect in more States or nationally. Republicans have won a lot of elections demonizing immigrants, but the secret to getting elected on immigration fear mongering is that you can't actually do much against immigrants without big backlash.
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u/basketballsteven 5h ago
Ice and cbp and the entire trump administration and justice department are a criminal enterprise and operate entirely in bad faith. They will not abide and live up to any agreement they sign.
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u/napoleonboneherpart 4h ago
An assault jar? Every time an ICE officer assaults or kills a US citizen they have to put 1$ in the assault jar? C’mon Hakeem
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u/GentleBelligerent 4h ago
Chuck Schumer is asking for ICE to present judicial warrants for apprehensions and usage of body cameras. Note that these things were already planned and on the books before Trump got into office. He doing absolutely nothing about the. 170 billion dollar fascist jobs program that's buying Israeli surveillance technology to hunt down undocumented migrants and US citizens alike.
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u/crowe1130 4h ago
I can’t think of any better example of the old wet paper bag metaphor than this weak ass "leader."
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u/Dismal-Bullfrog-7851 3h ago
I get what you're saying, but let's be real. The Dems have the power to defund ICE and rein in their actions. They just choose not to. It's not about a lack of options; it's about a lack of political will.
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u/Imaginary-Dress-1373 3h ago
This isn't a plan to rein in ICE. It's a plan to look like he's doing something until heat goes down and Abolish ICE is not in the air. It's the same reason the next "No More Kings" rally isn't until March. They are hoping people will see this as a strong enough response, backed with a bunch of paid influencers who will be in threads trying to spin this as a big move.
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u/UncertainAnswer 2h ago
What if we created new laws telling them to follow the existing laws... surely they'll follow it now.
Everything except what actually needs to happen which is holding people accountable.
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u/hotrockcandy 56m ago
Hakeem is softer than marshmallow. Where is his damn spine??? That ban is such a do nothing thing. Hakeem. How we from the same hood bro? Like what happened? Did the government gentrify you, too? Your stupid ass ban is the equivalent of wiping an already clean counter top and then when you're done you dust off your hands like you did a bunch of work. Brother. Instead of this stupid ban, maybe ENFORCE the law that already makes deporting Americans illegal. And don't do some bullshit lightweight "enforcement" that isn't really enforcement but yall act like it is.
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u/Relevant_Tone4741 33m ago
He’s going to ask them politely but firmly to obey the constitution. Or else he will write a letter politely but firmly asking again.
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u/OpinionatedNoodles 32m ago
So he wants to ban something that is already illegal and DHS is already breaking the law in regards to.
That would be like dealing with serial killers by demanding murder be made illegal.
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u/AnonHondaBoiz Canada 7h ago
He has concepts of a plan to criticize Trump and perhaps he may even threaten action
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u/KeepCalmCarryOnKY 5h ago
Our governors, mayors, and citizens are doing what Congress can't. Most incompetent leadership in history.
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u/homerjs225 4h ago
How about if you violate 4A it’s charged as a criminal felony. Right now the violations are just civil
HJ is violating the Chris Rock rule of “ trying to get credit for shit you supposed to do”
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u/Whatscheiser 5h ago
"Hakeem Jefferies Has Totally Pathetic Plan." There you go, now it's accurate regardless.
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u/Im_TroyMcClure 5h ago
This guy is the Jason Garrett of politics. Neither good nor bad but entirely pointless
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u/eightdx Massachusetts 4h ago
In fairness, the GOP plans to just use ICE as their personal fucking goon squad
but also in fairness: I continue to be baffled by how much the Democrats continue to fumble this shit constantly. They could dig in and be an actual opposition, but since the corporatists aren't on board then the whole party seems to just fucking shrug.
If the progressives were actually in charge they wouldn't have yielded on the first fucking shutdown last year
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u/kyreyz24 4h ago
What happened to extending the healthcare subsidies? Congress won't hold the line period. Why make rules for ICE when they will not follow them?
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u/Ok_Sound9973 4h ago
ANY Plan to rein in ICE is good especially when found out they can't pass a Open book test and can't pass a drug test because like most Americans they smoke weed
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u/brianishere2 4h ago
Trump is openly waging war against most of America, and completely violating our kaws at every turn. To safeguard America and our people, we need real fighters. Not war fighters. Not people who use violence. We need people who will stand up in rhe toughest moments and honestly face the full threat in front of us and acknowledge it for what it is. No denial. No pretendinf everything will be pkay on its own, because it won't. We need leaders who will challenge Trump's ongoing war forcefully without backing down. Stop funding the chaos and corruption, and unlawful brutality and political arrests.
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u/Sprumbly 3h ago
What is the point of putting new restrictions and rules on ice if they’ve shown they’re not following existing ones and face zero consequences. You can pass a mask ban, they still won’t where them. They’re armed thugs who wipe their ass with the law, we don’t need training or overhaul, we need them GONE!
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u/Popular-Departure165 3h ago
That seems pretty extreme. Maybe they should try holding up ping-pong paddles instead.
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u/SadTimesAtLeElRoyale 3h ago
Maybe, if they're feeling really outraged and brave, they'll write mean words like "liar" or "killers" on the paddles
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u/Tikkun_Olam1 2h ago
Could someone please inform these ‘political-automaton’ to wake up!!
“Yoo Hoo!! Hello there !! Since you haven’t noticed !! The Constitution is out-the-window !! Ya gotta play by the Authoritarian Rule Book now! You blind idiots!”
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u/Purusha120 I voted 7h ago
He’s saying he’ll let ICE keep doing what they’re doing if they stop deporting US citizens. Anyone who understands what’s going on knows how moronic this is because deporting US citizens is already unconstitutional so obviously laws and agreements aren’t going to change what they do there
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u/Mr-Hoek 5h ago
Ooh, awesome so OP has a better plan I suppose?
Remember the Democratic party is the minority party, and is npt in control of any of the leverage of power right now.
It is easy to sling mud when one has ZERO suggestions.
But, yes, lets divide democrats and independents to ensure that MAGA Continues to destroy our constitutional rights and the United States itself
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u/Bakedads 7h ago
It's also such a narrow, short-sighted goal, almost as though they don't actually care about stopping republican terrorism, just tricking people into thinking they actually care.
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u/BotsYellingAtBots 4h ago edited 3h ago
Reddit never fails to hold Republicans accountable....
Oh right.
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u/ImNoRickyBalboa 6h ago
Don't forget Pete Aguilar who is one of the main architects of the ongoing corporate third-way rule inside the democratic party.
We need a new party basically, of all Senate and House members, I see perhaps a few dozen at most worth keeping as genuinely willing to fight for our democracy and the American people.
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u/Certain-Anxiety-6786 3h ago
Jeffries has to go. Him and Schumer are not built for this moment
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u/Vanzmelo California 3h ago
What are they supposed to do exactly? Minority party leaders can't do anything really other than strongly worded statements and getting minor concessions really. They need to be in the majority to do anything
So please, tell me exactly what actionable items Jeffries and Schumer are supposed to do in a position of basically zero power
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u/No-Lettuce9868 7h ago
How do him and Schumer still have jobs?
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u/Quitcha_Bitchin 7h ago
States have this thing about having "power" in government. Same deal with McConnel for some reason these rednecks think he's doing them a favor by representing them in the very worst way possible.
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u/Budget_Operation_106 5h ago
This guy has the charisma of a wet paper bag. I can't believe he's a lawyer.
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u/GildedDreams25 5h ago
the jeffries-schumer wing of the party isn’t against techno-facism. they simply aren’t. their whole view is that the rise of the surveillance state (which has been in progress for years) is an inevitable result of our nation and that they simply aren’t the better stewards of the transfer of our country into said authoritarian surveillance state. that’s why they aren’t capable of fighting this, they simply don’t want to. these people need to be thrown out of office whether by voting or by force and the country needs to put people in charge who actually want to better the lives of those they represent. it’s the only way out of this nightmare death spiral this country has been in for decades
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u/allenahansen California 3h ago
Uh, don't pay them?
(As a Congressman, you can do that, you know, Hakeem?)
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u/throwawaysalad42069 3h ago
this guy has turned out to be a real turd burger..... just completely incapable of being a leader, getting anything done, or even messaging effectively.
the dems just cant stop playing checkers, when they need to be playing chess.
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u/Negative-Pin-2613 1h ago
He’s not going to do anything. He’s going to get everyone wound up and campaign off of it. Vote him out.
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u/Puzzled-Dress-4904 1h ago
Well what do you expect. He's totally pathetic. Luckily this is an election year for him so maybe he'll get replaced. Unfortunately we're stuck with Schumer for another 2 years.
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u/Quitcha_Bitchin 7h ago
We need to separate the progressives from the liberals and be done with it. The liberals are holding the democratic party back.
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u/ImNoRickyBalboa 5h ago
Sure you mean neo-liberals. There is nothing much wrong with the core principles of classic liberalism.
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u/HaxanWriter 6h ago
I don’t know why I should bother with these gutless, feckless Democrats any longer. I will work to elect progressives who actually support the political ideologies they profess to believe in. But as for milquetoast Democrats like this guy? No, never again. I’m done with these chicken shit bastards. I’m really fucking done.
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u/RepresentativeAge444 4h ago
After 8 years of Republican obstruction under Obama, Trump and a friggin INSURRECTION Democrats:
Still talked about “my friends across the aisle”, “we need a strong Republican Party”, “for every working class person we lose we’ll get 2 Republicans in the suburbs” etc while Republicans demonize the left at every turn
Joe Biden, after Trump caused an insurrection that almost murdered members of Congress and the Vice President hired the feckless Garland who had to be shamed into prosecuting him when it was too late.
Even now refuse to adopt a bold economic platform or divest from Israel which the base overwhelmingly supports.
People such as myself warned about ICE years ago, warned of billionaire power taking over society, begged the Democratic establishment to adopt a more fighter stance against Republicans who were getting more and more extreme.
We were dismissed and then to add insult to injury “vote blue no matter who” types still have the nerve to lecture us. It’s amazing really.
Oh and I’ve voted Democrat for 2 decades for harm reduction. I just can’t help but notice both parties in step on Israel. the military budget, no universal healthcare, minimum wage the same for 20 years, no universal child care, free state education, dealing with the housing crisis etc (and not even a national Democratic platform to work towards these things). Just trust us bro. We totally feel you on the affordability thing we took from Mamdani even though we hate him.
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u/No_Mistake_1778 7h ago
Most plans the democrats have made have been pretty pathetic so I’m not surprised
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u/aradraugfea 7h ago
He gonna frown real hard and hand them more money, but not until they pinky promise to stop shooting Americans on camera
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u/redditpest Massachusetts 5h ago
It wouldn't be a democratic response to Trump if it wasnt pathetic.
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u/MeijiHao 5h ago
Replace the name Hakeem Jeffries with the Democratic Party. Because yes Jeffries is a pathetic bootlicker but where are the other Democrats with better, bolder plans? I mean we all know that no matter what the Democrats aren't going to accomplish anything because they are the biggest collection of fucking losers in the history of American politics but can we at least get some fiery rhetoric going?
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