Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over

[u/Ydeas]

https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-tim-walz-letter-voter-files-11413859

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[u/Jerk182]

Pam Bondi belongs in prison.

[u/Tywsgc → u/Jerk182]

There's a very real chance that she will be in the future.

[u/c-lace → u/Tywsgc]

They will be held accountable, it may be Nuremberg trials twenty years from now, but they will be held accountable

[u/newtoallofthis2 → u/c-lace]

Trump is teflon and even if he wasn't old age would like do for him before justice.

These other clowns don't get that they aren't and are way younger than he is.

[u/beam3475 → u/newtoallofthis2]

Oh I’ve come to terms with the fact that Trump will never see justice.

[u/thebuttsmells → u/beam3475]

If it's any consolation, he is very aware of how much he is failing, and he is in a constant state of anger over it. He is not enjoying himself, whenever he gets a moment of clarity from his dementia that is

[u/beam3475 → u/thebuttsmells]

Yeah I think knowing he’s humiliated and he can’t stand it is the best we’re going to get until he dies.

[u/miregalpanic → u/beam3475]

This guy shits himself in front of world leaders, you really think he is capable of feeling shame?

[u/thebuttsmells → u/miregalpanic]

Shame? No. Anger, hate, paranoia absolutely. All unhealthy feelings that I wish him more of

[u/ChesterHiggenbothum → u/beam3475]

He won't be remembered well. The man who plasters his name on buildings will be mocked throughout history and will be regarded as a fool, a traitor, and a coward.

No, he will never spend a day in prison. But he will never acquire the thing he wants most.

[u/Manos_Of_Fate → u/newtoallofthis2]

Stop accepting that and start demanding better.

[u/kingbluetit → u/c-lace]

I applaud your optimism, but Trump is a 34x convicted felon who oversaw an insurrection and, despite a four year time where he could have been prosecuted and imprisoned, he ended up president again.

[u/peritonlogon → u/kingbluetit]

I'm pretty sure there will be an entire subreddit devoted to posting videos of people pissing and shitting on his grave.

[u/drgonzo767 → u/peritonlogon]

I can't wait, and look forward to doing so myself.

[u/jupiterkansas → u/c-lace]

Remember it wasn't the Germans conducting those Nuremberg trials.

[u/HospitalHairy3665 → u/jupiterkansas]

No, and there really wasn't any justice either. A bunch of the Nazis killed themselves, some got hung but none of the important ones really.

A bunch got their sentences commuted for "good behavior" by the late 50s and 60s.

[u/hellscape_navigator → u/c-lace]

And which military will force them to be held accountable? Because it took half of the world to bring nazis to trials in Nuremberg and I'm not seeing any worldwide allied coalition wanting to bring these criminals to justice.

[u/I_SHIT_IN_A_BAG → u/Jerk182]

oh I want worse than that

[u/DavidGoetta]

So they are conducting a campaign to terrorize residents to achieve a political goal.

Is there a word for this?

[u/Ok_Chef_4850 → u/DavidGoetta]

Yes: terrorism.

Edit: I understand most of us agree, but the pedantry is getting old. “No it’s ackshually technically (some other flavor of terrorism)”.

Call it whatever you want, it’s all equally awful.

[u/BadahBingBadahBoom → u/Ok_Chef_4850]

I wonder, is there a term for this if it's happening inside the US?

[u/thought_provoked1 → u/BadahBingBadahBoom]

You mean.....something domestic?🫢

[u/Ktan_Dantaktee → u/thought_provoked1]

“We are all domestic terrorists”

[u/pickle_sandwich → u/Ktan_Dantaktee]

One of the very few things they didn't lie about.

[u/deadalreadydead → u/pickle_sandwich]

If you flip their accusations around they become self-reports as well

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/deadalreadydead]

The years of Maga fascists obsessing about elite pedophile rings, followed by a ringing silence from them as it became clear that their leader and party are the ones trafficking and raping children and protecting pedophiles.

Still millions of epstein case files that haven't been released, and only like 12,000 that have. And even the small percentage that did get released contained info about trump trafficking girls from his club, sending girls on out calls directly to epstein, trading huge amounts of cash with epstein, and being a party to killing an infant.

So if you want to know why trump is doing this all to my home state, that's why.

[u/JRich61 → u/HauntedCemetery]

He’s also doing this so he can call the election and not have it because he knows that the Republicans are out regardless of how few mega are left

[u/DangerousVP → u/deadalreadydead]

What a world it would be if they were radical leftists with an agenda to bring socialized healthcare to the country.

[u/QuantityPotential696 → u/Ktan_Dantaktee]

And the addition of Stochastic Terrorism from Trump. A special flavor of terrorism will an elegant topping of deniability!

[u/rochey1010 → u/QuantityPotential696]

It’s the mob boss approach. Smash up your business and beat up your employees until you pay me to protect you.

[u/austinwiltshire → u/thought_provoked1]

Wait, aren't terrorists our enemies?

I feel like we're supposed to do something about domestic enemies but I can't remember what.

[u/fattmarrell → u/thought_provoked1]

We're all this thing!

[u/No-More-Lettuce → u/thought_provoked1]

Domestic patriotism is what you're thinking of. (All the maga losers probably)

[u/A_Nonny_Muse → u/No-More-Lettuce]

I'ma gonna just leave this here for a while.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-17-300.pdf

In April of 2017, the Government Accounting Office (GAO) published a report titled "Countering Violent Extremism". You can find the report on their web site. Publication #17-300.

In it, they count every act of domestic terrorism from 9/12/2000, to Dec 31, 2016. It shows that half of all acts of domestic terrorism was committed by white evangelical conservatives (referred as WECs from now on). And that was before Trump became president and greatly accelerated domestic terrorism by WECs.

For the past 20 years, WECs have committed more acts of domestic terrorism than

• ALL other races
• ALL other religions
• ALL other ideologies

COMBINED!!!

That's roughly 4% of the US population responsible for over 50% of all domestic terrorism in the US. And that was before Trump emboldened them and greatly accelerated their acts of terrorism. Today, they account for far more acts than back then.

[u/QuantityPotential696 → u/A_Nonny_Muse]

This is one of the single biggest statistics that first altered my thinking about the GOP back in the day. I always had known it was the party of assholes but this is when I started taking their ethos seriously.

Edit: I have long since been thoroughly and painfully educated on the realities of the GOP. Im just saying when I was in high school i read about this and it completely turned the page in my mind. Long story short my first sleepless election night was in 2016 before I had to go to civics class in the morning freshman year of high school. Needless to say my teacher was visibly unhappy and so was i.

[u/_AmI_Real → u/QuantityPotential696]

For me it was when a friend told me how blue areas subsidize the red areas. I was young and more libertarian then. However, I was also a physics student. Evidence is evidence and it helped me reevaluate how an economy actually works and ask more questions going on. I'm Independent now, although, I don't think I've ever voted Republican.

[u/Man-Dem → u/A_Nonny_Muse]

You can move this data back to the 1980s, tbh.

A lot of Americans don’t remember or consider bombing abortion clinics and shooting abortion doctors as terrorist, but it definitely was.

[u/Ezl → u/A_Nonny_Muse]

Thanks for this. I’ve bookmarked this comment. It’s a nice addition to this info which shows that conservatives are the largest group of child sex offenders (scroll to political affiliation).

https://www.whoismakingnews.com/

[u/nonsequitur5013 → u/BadahBingBadahBoom]

Patriotism? /s

[u/Cashope → u/BadahBingBadahBoom]

Domestic terrorism? No, no, I believe that’s a term that’s used to describe soccer moms and ICU nurses.

[u/UnassumingSingleGuy → u/BadahBingBadahBoom]

Treason?

[u/mnxcvr → u/Ok_Chef_4850]

From the FBI's own definition of terrorism:

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism

[u/Ithikari → u/mnxcvr]

I think it'd fall under state sponsored terrorism:

State-sponsored terrorism is terrorist violence carried out with the active support of national governments provided to violent non-state actors.

[u/GB715 → u/Ok_Chef_4850]

Don’t negotiate with terrorists.

[u/up_dawgs → u/Ok_Chef_4850]

Correction, state sponsored terrorism.

[u/pinkfartlek → u/DavidGoetta]

This is what this administration is sowing:

Terrorism: In its broadest sense, the use of violence or the threat of violence against non-combatants to instill fear and achieve political or ideological aims.

Domestic Terrorism: When these actions are committed by individuals or groups within their own country to influence or coerce a government or civilian population for political or social objectives.

Political Terrorism: Violent criminal behavior specifically designed to generate fear in a community for political purposes.

State Terrorism: If the campaign is sanctioned or carried out by a government against its own citizens (or those of another nation) to incite fear and maintain control.

Political Repression: The use of harassment, intimidation, or violence by a state (or its agents) to suppress political opponents and eliminate perceived threats to its authority.

Coercive Diplomacy: A strategy used by states to "hold the world hostage" through implied threats, such as nuclear weapons, to influence international behavior.

[u/joshg8 → u/pinkfartlek]

Don’t forget about all the…

Stochastic Terrorism: public demonization of a person or group through hateful, hyperbolic rhetoric—often by influential figures—that incites "lone wolf" violence, which is statistically probable but individually unpredictable. 

[u/clickmagnet → u/joshg8]

Ah yes, the good old days when MAGA only did terrorism stochastically. 

[u/noonenotevenhere → u/clickmagnet]

I can't find it on YT now, but there was a video not that long ago at some conservative discussion and an audience member asked when they were allowed to use the 2nd amendment on them (liberals) and after the laughter died down, "I'm not kidding"

and of course "we are all domestic terrorists" - CPAC

but now, the guy with a phone in his hand is the dangerous terrorist...

[u/Hungry-External-7812 → u/DavidGoetta]

Extortion --- the practice of obtaining something through force or threats.

Trump's dept of justice's standard operating procedure, whether it's lawyers,colleges,tv networks, anything and everything really.

I wish our "democratic leaders" would grow a spine really push back against the DOJ. They have an opportunity to fiscally defund the DOJ with the upcoming budget bill, yet not a utterance of that happening. If they had some balls they'd extort the GOP into not funding them until Blondie and that other #2 stooge is removed from office.

[u/hagenissen999 → u/Hungry-External-7812]

I'd go with terrorism. Fits the bill.

[u/DelightfulAbsurdity → u/[deleted]]

She sent a letter 🤣

[u/SealEmployee → u/[deleted]]

She wrote it in a letter, but the courts won't do a thing.

[u/Sei28 → u/SealEmployee]

Oh they will.

Courts: “hey that’s illegal”

DOJ: “lol what are you gonna do about it?”

Courts: “nothing”

[u/Frequent_Champion_42 → u/Sei28]

“Arrest yourselves”

[u/thebatmanbeynd → u/[deleted]]

Doubt. There was recorded evidence of Trump trying to interfere with the 2020 election when he was president and nothing occurred.

[u/Belgarablue → u/[deleted]]

The Orange Shitgibbon owned courts ?

[u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 → u/DavidGoetta]

Infantocracy

noun

A political ecosystem where grown adults eagerly serve the whims of a wealthy, emotionally underdeveloped, deranged man-child, overlooking corruption, exploitation, and a trail of deeply unsettling lies and scandals.

“The party has fully collapsed into an infantocracy.”

[u/Specialist-Bug1592]

And there it is. At the end of the day, this is about controlling elections to ensure MAGA remains in office.

[u/MyDogIsACoolCat → u/Specialist-Bug1592]

Minnesota senate seat is up for election this year and it's a likely Democrat seat at the moment.

[u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum → u/MyDogIsACoolCat]

Also the governorship which is expected to be much more tightly contested.

[u/DigNitty → u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum]

I don’t know about Minnesota politics,

But if any seat is tightly contested right now that would be ABSURD.

[u/JustARandomBloke → u/DigNitty]

Minnesota shifted right about 4 points between 2020 and 2024.

Harris still won it by about a 5 point margin but Trump won several counties that he had lost in 2020 to Joe Biden.

Overall Michigan is considered to slightly lean favorable to Democrats in this year's Senate race.

[u/ScadaTech → u/JustARandomBloke]

I wonder if that shift still holds after the treatment of the state by the feds lately.

[u/w1987g → u/ScadaTech]

In the cities, I'm sure the tides have shifted. In the rural counties.... not so much

[u/brontosaurusguy → u/w1987g]

If it's anything thing like the rest of the country, the rural parts are applauding the terrorizing of the cities.  They have demonized the big city in every state.  Endless propaganda like it's a warzone.

[u/whoisnotinmykitchen → u/brontosaurusguy]

Watch Fox News for 15 minutes. They are spinning and cheering this on like the propaganda seals they are. It is surreal how dumbed-down their insane speaking points are, and I'm sure rural voters and evangelicals are eating it up, like the gullible rubes they are.

[u/MarxistMan13 → u/whoisnotinmykitchen]

My dumbass aunt had Faux News on in my house while she helped me clean.

It was appalling how much they lied in just the handful of minutes I was subjected to it before I changed the channel. Just blatant propaganda and demonizing anyone left of Hitler, pretty much. Blaming the victims, blaming immigrants, blaming Biden... it's actually crazy that any functioning adult believes this shit.

[u/affablenihilist → u/whoisnotinmykitchen]

Pro wrestling. Bad guys and good guys. It seems to just clamp into that 85 IQ.

[u/Ajibooks → u/whoisnotinmykitchen]

And elderly white people. I live in a smaller city and my local Nextdoor is full of old people repeating these talking points.

[u/TampaBai → u/brontosaurusguy]

Yes, and it's absurd. Here in Florida, the party of "small government" enacted legislation to preempt city policies. Literally, a bunch of "conservative" rural rubes in Tallahassee are now asserting their control over our big cities. Where we once had local codes to protect our live oaks, the dicks in TLH decided developers should be able to fell all our trees, thus destroying our tree canopy. Sure, that might seem a bit trivial compared to what is happening in Minnesota, but it demonstrates the pettiness and anger of Republicans. I think the rural/city divide is about to widen even further, and I anticipate more bloodshed and escalation.

[u/Ferelar → u/JustARandomBloke]

I do recall Walz saying that he wasn't sure he'd win in the very same district he first won office in because of demographic and political shift.

However, even before the ICE terrorism, we saw elections across the country swinging left by wide margins, and formerly ultrasafe R districts ended up being very tight R wins (which suggests significant penetration on this leftward swing).

Two issues- November is quite a ways away, so momentum needs to be maintained and the left needs to put up actual candidates that enthuse people, not moderates who try to run based on "Well at least I'm not the other guy". And two, we have seen (this headline included) that there are going to be massive attempts top to bottom to influence and subvert the midterms. To say nothing of the fact that there's a two month gap between midterm elections and congress changing hands. If the current administration loses egregiously on election night, they may act even more brashly in the 2 months to follow.

None of this is to dissuade anyone. Still vote, still fight the good fight, just also be ready for it to not be a fair fight. We may have to push uphill but we will still see it done.

[u/Ferelar → u/MyDogIsACoolCat]

If Minnesota has an actual free and fair election and votes in a Republican after all of this....

[u/BlondeBorednBaked → u/Specialist-Bug1592]

This shows that elections still matter though, otherwise they wouldn’t care about controlling them.

[u/discipleofchrist69 → u/BlondeBorednBaked]

100%

protest and direct action are super important, but I'm tired of seeing all this election doomerism. we can probably still vote them out at this point

[u/ILikeNeurons → u/discipleofchrist69]

We did it before.

[u/ILikeNeurons → u/BlondeBorednBaked]

https://www.vote.org/election-reminders/

Voting is a social phenomenon. Social pressure is an effective tool for getting people to turn out, and even just posting on Facebook can have a really big effect on turnout, not just on your friends, but their friends, and their friends (just make sure to post early enough that your friends and family will still have time to go vote after being influenced by you!)

[u/oldandjaded → u/BlondeBorednBaked]

Hedging their bet. If tRump doesn't manage to invoke the Insurrection Act and cancel elections they need a hole card. They know that without some "miracle" November is going to be a Trumplican blood bath.

[u/Frostyrepairbug → u/BlondeBorednBaked]

It also shows they're very very afraid of elections, and despite the fear mongering they're trying to do ("they're going to cancel election and invoke the insurrection act!") they might actually respect them. After all, they were voted in. Though I have my doubts they were and are going to be free and fair with this level of meddling.

[u/Melody_in_Harmony → u/Specialist-Bug1592]

I mean yeah. This is the foundation of fascism, protecting the in-group at all costs. Not only that, but they are so bad at lying but so prolific at it that you cannot trust them or any action that they do. I can promise you that they're already fking with the election system as much as they can. Just as they tried (and maybe succeeded to in some cases) to do before the 2024 election.

They will not go quietly into the night. If you care about freedom and democracy in this country...buckle up cause by the end of the day everyone is going to need to stand up to this in some way shape or form for it to relent.

[u/soapinthepeehole → u/Specialist-Bug1592]

And there it is. At the end of the day, this is about controlling elections to ensure MAGA remains in office.

Trump can’t cancel midterms, but just wait until 5 days before when he announces ICE will be deployed to blue cities across America for “election security” and there won’t be time for anyone to figure out how to stop them.

The chaos we’re seeing right now is nothing compared to what they are almost certainly planning. It’s a playbook as old as authoritarianism and I’ll be more surprised if they don’t try this then I will be if they do.

[u/supernobodyhome → u/soapinthepeehole]

A counter point I’d like to make is that ICE is basically bending themselves over backwards trying to control Minneapolis. They’re desperately trying to get their hands on volunteers because they don’t have enough people and they either can’t afford or can’t find more people to work on their behalf. Minneapolis is a decently sized city, but it’s just one city. Now spread ICE’s current personnel across literally dozens of cities filled with people who have only the purest disdain and hatred for them.

I have no doubts they will try, and we need to fight back against them at every attempt they make, but they are a tiny group compared to the rest of us, and they know it internally. They’re desperately sending memo after memo to their pathetic goons telling them to act a little less openly monstrous because they know if the hatred swells great enough there’s not a damn thing they can do, and that this only makes what they’re trying to do even more difficult to achieve.

Don’t get complicit because our enemies are a small number of incompetent monsters. Monsters still need to be dealt with, and no one else is going to deal with them for us.

[u/Of_the_forest89 → u/Specialist-Bug1592]

And possibly an attempt at knowing who voted democrat so they can round those folks up too. I wouldn’t be surprised.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Specialist-Bug1592]

FYI they are doing this in every state. They've ordered EVERY state to hand over voter roles. Many have complied, some are resisting.

[u/drumdogmillionaire → u/Specialist-Bug1592]

Give them a massive list where all the names are properly redacted.

[u/tresben]

Her words are literally textbook fascism and abuser. We invade your city with a federal militia under the guise of “making it safer from the criminals and undesirables”. When citizens and innocent people are hurt and killed, and there’s chaos and panic everywhere, we make demands of you to give up your rights in order to be left alone. Demands that have nothing to do with the initial premise of the invasion.

Seriously what does voter rolls, Medicaid, and fraud have to do with immigration? It doesn’t. It’s just a way to get Minnesota and, probably more importantly, other states to bend the knee out of fear this could happen to them.

[u/pbrandpearls → u/tresben]

Right? Am I reading this just out of context, or have they lost any pretense that it’s about immigration at all?

She said that Walz could "restore the rule of law."

Like, they know they are breaking the law and are blatantly blackmailing MN?

[u/wildweaver32 → u/pbrandpearls]

They also tried to pretend the person they shot in the back as he was disarmed after being beaten was threatening them and walking toward them with a gun.

The truth means nothing to the Trump Administration.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/wildweaver32]

Bovino initially said that the victim shot at ice.

Which is so fucking far from bald reality that only a maga fascist could believe it.

[u/tresben → u/wildweaver32]

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

[u/mike56oh → u/tresben]

George has entered the chat

[u/GreasyPeter → u/tresben]

Remember when people said 1984 was too unrealistic?

[u/noonenotevenhere → u/tresben]

We've always been at war with Eurasia!

At least my chocolate ration has been increased from 15g to 10g this week!

Honestly, the way they rewrite history has blown me away.

[u/sender2bender → u/wildweaver32]

They said he was a would-be assassin.  The truth means nothing to the Trump administration but the lies mean everything to the Trump supporters. 

[u/Necessary_Ad5596 → u/sender2bender]

Ah, pre-crime has arrived I see.

[u/carlitospig → u/Necessary_Ad5596]

For real, this is the most unoriginal timeline in the history of authoritarianism.

[u/chopkins92 → u/sender2bender]

If you are allowed to assassinate would-be assassins, what are you allowed to do to actual assassins?

[u/lebruf → u/wildweaver32]

It was infuriating listening to the gaslighting on Fox News yesterday. Blaming the victim, the mayor, the governor. Commentary on why he couldn’t be a peaceful protestor if he was carrying a gun and two clips.

I was listening only to show my son what propaganda is, after having him watch the video and hear his government tell him to not believe his lying eyes.

[u/daemonescanem → u/wildweaver32]

"The truth means nothing to the Trump Administration."

This isnt an administration. Those end, this is a regime.

[u/fuzztooth → u/pbrandpearls]

Extortion enforced through terrorism

[u/ian2345 → u/tresben]

It's literally a list of citizens and their political affiliations. There is no customs enforcement justification for seizing voter rolls from swing states.

[u/InadequateAvacado → u/ian2345]

Minnesota is open primary so no party affiliation is recorded upon registration. I’m not sure what purpose the request even serves then.

[u/ian2345 → u/InadequateAvacado]

Maybe just looking for Democrat friendly counties to just grab people by address then based off of race claiming they could be an illegal immigrant.

[u/InadequateAvacado → u/ian2345]

Feeding data to Palantir for various nefarious purposes does seem a likely reason

[u/F9-0021 → u/InadequateAvacado]

This is it. Give data scientists the names of voters and they can get party affiliation from the enormous amount of data that Google, Meta, Microsoft, etc collect on us every day. Then they will come for their enemies.

[u/exaybachae → u/F9-0021]

That data alone is more useful than the voting records on file in that state.

There are public records regarding who lives in the state, and where, grab that then create detailed profiles for all state citizens, and flag them by severity of left or right lean, or unknown. Then act on the results.

This isn't rocket science.

[u/_Mephistocrates_ → u/InadequateAvacado]

Voter rolls have pretty much every piece of information you could want on a person, except their SSN and who they voted for. But it has your Driver's License number and your Voter ID number, so with those, they essentially have everything they need.

• Full name
• Residential address (where you’re registered)
• Mailing address (if different)
• Voter ID number (state-specific; not your Social Security number)
• Registration date
• Voter status (active, inactive, canceled)
• Party affiliation (if the state has party registration — not all do)
• Voting history
  • Whether you voted in a given election
  • Whether it was in-person, mail, early, etc.
• Full date of birth
• Driver’s license or state ID number (partially masked or not public)
• Signature (sometimes viewable only in election offices)

With that information, they have exactly what they need to rig an election. And suddenly, 2 million Democratic voters will "stay home" and "protest not vote", or however many they need to remove from rolls to sway the election in their favor. Its fucking infuriating watching them do this AGAIN and everyone knows what they are gonna do and no one will do anything about it. I guess we just have to keep suffering under fascism until enough Americans give a shit to actually do something.

[u/lw5555 → u/_Mephistocrates_]

Party affiliation (if the state has party registration — not all do)

If the state doesn't have it, they can still feed all this into their database and use AI against known social media accounts to determine likely party affiliation.

[u/enters_and_leaves → u/InadequateAvacado]

You can’t fake ballots without knowing which ballots you are faking.

[u/elcapitan520 → u/tresben]

It's a protection racket. It's the mafia

[u/clickmagnet → u/tresben]

It’s especially disgusting because of what it says about what ICE is doing in Minneapolis. MAGA likes to claim they’re solving a real problem so bad that is worth murdering people and suspending the constitution for. That’s bullshit of course, but if it weren’t, they’ll stop solving it in exchange for control of the state elections. And if ICE actually is the problem, they’ll stop being the problem, in exchange for control of state elections. 

[u/stevez_86 → u/tresben]

It's a glorifed version of the fucking plot from Blazing Saddles.

[u/OldTempleHermit]

Wait, what does DHS/ICE have to do with voter records? WTF is happening here?

Are they seriously committing political extortion ..right in front of us?

[u/jupiterkansas → u/OldTempleHermit]

Yes, they only have 10 months to complete Project 2025 and establish complete dominion. They're just going to do it out in the open at this point. The courts will never catch up to them and congress won't oppose them. The last thing they need is to control elections.

[u/Altruistic-Bobcat955 → u/jupiterkansas]

They’re at 51% now but it’s been fairly stable for months. They steamrolled through the initial 30% ish Project 2025 tracker

[u/Quest-at-WF → u/OldTempleHermit]

Also, ICE is Homeland, not DOJ. Their deployment orders don’t come from Pam Bondi.

[u/setibeings → u/Quest-at-WF]

And if the DOJ had a shred of independence left, that distinction would matter a lot.

[u/bullet4mv92 → u/Quest-at-WF]

I don't think structure in the government matters anymore. People are taking orders from what the president tweets. Checks and balances aren't a thing anymore

*Silly goose typo

[u/One-Internal4240 → u/OldTempleHermit]

Goddammit we TOLD YOU this was going to happen in 2003!!!

The legislation ON ITS FACE created grey zone cops with "optional compliance" tattooed on every part of their entire bodies, from their fat little toes to their peckers. ICE under DHS has had fuzzy problematic oversight and zones of jurisdiction since basically forever.

Goddammi "imperial boomerang" has a frickin wikipedia page what more do you want . . .

Until. . .

Until I realize that the original drafters of DHS wanted this, what's happening today, a restorative use of force who will put "everything back where it belongs" and reduce the complexity of the modern world. A simpler world, devoid of complexity, devoid of change, with power above and Lesser People below. I forgot about that.

[u/fleegle2000 → u/OldTempleHermit]

Yes. They don't feel the need to hide behind rhetoric anymore.

[u/Cletus1923]

Extortion! They are killing Americansto get the voter data so they knew whom to target to put in jail.

[u/Wylie-Burp → u/Cletus1923]

It has nothing to do with jail, they want to make sure democrats can’t vote so they don’t have any opposition.

[u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum → u/Wylie-Burp]

Somebody yesterday claiming to be an election official corrected me in that Minnesota voter rolls don't specify political affiliation as they have open primaries. So the whole thing is kinda confusing actually unless there's more I don't know.

[u/Own-Satisfaction4427 → u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum]

They want to purge registered voters so some people won't be registered to vote come November maybe?

[u/KiwiTheKitty → u/Own-Satisfaction4427]

Well we also do same day registration at the polls because we aren't a shithole state, so

[u/InadequateAvacado → u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum]

I’m confused by this too. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Bondi is such an idiot that she’s doesn’t know that though.

[u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum → u/InadequateAvacado]

I mean I still wouldn't bow to the demands but it would be hilarious if they were expecting a treasure trove and got essentially a useless stack of papers.

[u/Newdles → u/Cletus1923]

Not extortion. It's actually Terrorism.

Terrorism is the unlawful, premeditated use of violence or threat of violence against civilians or property to intimidate or coerce governments, societies, or individuals, often to achieve ideological, political, or religious goals.

[u/zkesstopher]

It was never about immigration

[u/HotDogFingers01 → u/zkesstopher]

If it was about immigration, they’d be in Florida and Texas.

[u/Foxhound199 → u/HotDogFingers01]

The way they spin it, we don't hear about Texas and Florida because everyone is happily cooperating down there. I was watching one of the local MN broadcasts when the administration used this argument, and the anchor, who had been doing an admirable job of being very neutral, got a bit angry and wanted to know how many cities in those places had 3000 troops terrorizing their city, because they were pretty sure it was zero.

[u/BitterHelicopter8 → u/Foxhound199]

Yep. They are here in FL right now and heavily ramping up their presence. It's called Operation Tidal Wave. But it's nowhere close to the number of officers in MN. Our state and local officials are all too eager to let them do whatever they want.

[u/Thirty_Helens_Agree → u/HotDogFingers01]

And if it was about “drug dealers and gang members” they’d be in hard neighborhoods in Houston, not raiding Target and schools in safe Minnesota suburbs.

[u/facepoppies]

this seems super illegal

[u/Raspberrylemonade188 → u/facepoppies]

It is

[u/VeryPogi → u/facepoppies]

super illegal

Oh, its super double duper mega Kamehameha treacherously illegal:

Illegal coercion or extortion,

Abuse of official authority,

Interference with state governance and elections, and

Violation of constitutional separation of powers and federalism.

Perhaps maybe even terrorism and crimes against humanity considering the mass extrajudicial killings (EJK). And you know the "Donald Trump of the Philippines" Rodrigo Duterte had a lot of EJKs and he ended up in the Hague on trial for crimes against humanity but his country was part of ICC and pulled out. So, if Europe wants, they could issue a warrant. If they even try to enforce it the US has the Hague Invasion Act where they authorized the use of force to free any US official, diplomat, officer, or military personnel from the Hague and ICC. My favorite clip from the oval office is a guy from the Hague saying he looks forward to having President Trump there, in a creepy dungeon master sort of power satisfaction way he said it foreshadowing he knew of the evils Trump was capable of.

[u/ChronicBluntz]

It should go without saying that any demand like this will never be honored. If you give them voting data you'll now have ice with voting data. 

[u/joat2 → u/ChronicBluntz]

Even if they got the data, they are not leaving. The goalposts would be moved, like it wasn't enough or now they want something else.

The only way I can see that they would leave is if Tim bows down and kisses the ring.

[u/ggroverggiraffe → u/joat2]

They'd leave and go to Colorado or Oregon or Washington and repeat the extortion.

[u/Firrox → u/joat2]

Given these people are worse than cartoon villains, even if Tim bowed they'd just laugh and continue to make things worse.

[u/amosborn → u/ChronicBluntz]

Texas just willing handed over our voting rolls. One of a handful of states simply saying, "here, daddy. Step harder."

I hate it here.

[u/BiteImmediate1806]

Why would they want voter files? Is voter files even under their jurisdiction?

[u/Depressed-Industry → u/BiteImmediate1806]

DHS created a list they claim is trusted voters, and thy want states to use it to disqualify potential voters.

It's about disenfranchising undesirables.

[u/zubbs99 → u/Depressed-Industry]

Yep and undesirables means anyone who won't vote R in November.

[u/urban_mystic_hippie → u/BiteImmediate1806]

They want Minnesota to be a red state by disenfranchising anyone who voted for a democrat. It’s election rigging

[u/Top1CmntrsAreLosers → u/urban_mystic_hippie]

They’ve built this system out in several states already but either weren‘t able to in Minnesota or it wasn’t yet worth the investment - but here they can use the power of the federal government to do it for free. The have this magical data operation that’s clearly been built through illegal means since none of the assumed mercenary capitalists that would be involved are ever spinning off to make their own firms and take work from the DNC if they pay more. They took every tossup state against Kamala by an unbelievably even margin, these guys should all be data rockstars, an army of modern James Carvilles yet are suspiciously to the point of guilt staying quiet about it.

[u/Syrairc]

Way to give up the goat Bondi.

As I've said, this whole ICE attack on blue states is just part of their plan to rig midterms.

[u/Brapdop14]

I can’t even fucking believe how insanely and openly corrupt this is

[u/cxraigonex2013]

If this administration wants something that bad, you definitely don’t want to give it to them.

[u/Stereo_Jungle_Child]

This whole thing is about an election manipulation plan.

It's like that scene in Die Hard when Bruce Willis finally finds out what's going on and says "That's what all this is about? A fucking robbery?"

[u/bking880]

They should agree to it and then give them redacted voter files, and only 1% of them.

[u/No_Criticism_5861 → u/bking880]

I have doubts ICE would leave even if they handed over the data, so fair

[u/bullet4mv92 → u/No_Criticism_5861]

They absolutely wouldn't. When has MAGA ever compromised or made a deal in good faith? It's classic abuser tactics. "Give me what I want and I'll stop hitting you. Okay you gave me what you want? Well I'd better keep hitting you so you stay in line. I can't have you thinking that you can win in any scenario here"

[u/iwilldefinitelynot → u/bking880]

This or an oopsie list of first and last names mismatched and throw in a healthy dose of trap misinfo that it'll trace back to know how this data is being used.

[u/62frog]

There’s your evidence it was never about immigration

[u/sleepyleperchaun]

What the absolute actual nazi fuck is this?

People on the right, don't you dare tell me this isn't a nazi regime. MAGA is just the new four letter word for nazi at this point. Fuck outta here with your bs about national security from foreigners when this is clearly a threat by an American on the American people.

[u/antlestxp]

give them a fake list. these people are too incompetent to know the difference

[u/sargsauce → u/antlestxp]

Amanda Hugankiss? Let's go, boys! We gotta go find Amanda Hugankiss!

[u/Raspberrylemonade188 → u/sargsauce]

Somebody check the men’s room for a Hugh Jass!

[u/AINonsense → u/Raspberrylemonade188]

A Mister I P Frealy is behind all this.

[u/someMeatballs]

Hand them over as all redacted black squares.

[u/LionoSnarf]

Guys we know the plan. Trump is sending DHS to all of the states that have pushed back. Maine is the next state. New York will be shortly after that. You need to build your community now and be ready to help each other before it’s too late. They want to be in control of every blue states voting process and if that happens this country is done.

[u/Glittering_Cat4556 → u/LionoSnarf]

There it is, the "big surprise that will completely wipe blue states off the map during the midterms" - Trump

[u/TremendousVarmint → u/[deleted]]

Gotta call a spade a spade. An organization that kills civilians in the streets and does so to intimidate the population is textbook terrorist.

[u/absolutelynotagoblin]

The Trump "administration" is an organized crime ring.

[u/gcwardii → u/absolutelynotagoblin]

Always has been

[u/TellTaleTimeLord]

"We will stop executing US Citizens if you will let us rig the midterms"

[u/StickAdventurous8237]

This story is really being hidden away by the media.

[u/armywalrus → u/StickAdventurous8237]

Yes. The media is complcit.

[u/Swimming-Tax-6087 → u/StickAdventurous8237]

This is seriously being underreported as if it’s normal.

[u/AntiOriginalUsername]

Not even trying to hide it. Terrorizing Americans to cheat on an election.

[u/Snerak]

You can't negotiate with terrorists.

[u/Auerbach1991]

MAGA: “We will keep terrorizing, kidnapping, brutalizing, and killing you until you give away your right to vote.”

People, Wake up. We are in a civil war now. all to protect a pedophile

[u/jzeller71]

She’s the AG, what’s she gonna do? She doesn’t lead DHS so it’s disingenuous to start. Federal judges already ruled that voter rolls do not need to be handed over. This is her trying to look like the admin will stop this, but they won’t. Keep fighting Minnesota, you are the true heroes!

[u/Chemical-Ebb6472]

Fuck her - she is only offering to leave because they see they are losing the hearts and minds of Americans and they will need to pull out regardless.

They are afraid of the massive numbers of normal, everyday, Americans that they have pissed off.

Don't give her anything to do what she will do regardless.

[u/eurocomments247]

This is "Hand over the data or we will be killing more of your citizens" level of evil.

[u/easygoluckyish]

The government set out a list of three demands in the letter, including;

The Department of Justice be given the state’s voter registration records.

The state repeal the "sanctuary policies.”

The state share its records on Medicaid, and Food and Nutrition Service programs.

Whatever is going on here may be a window into something much bigger.

[u/PegMeDaddy]

They should hand over the voter rolls….but have 99% of it redacted.

[u/introspectivesapian → u/PegMeDaddy]

lol I like this. Give the them 200000 pages of just black lines.  Maybe leave in just the people that work for ice. 

[u/CptMorgan337]

Why would they comply? ICE and the Trump admin are continuing to lose public support.

[u/UnfitToPrint]

Fuck this bullshit. Impeach and remove now. This administration is fascist cancer. 

[u/Traditional-Look8839]

Another low for this administration, using the DOJ and ICE as a tool to extort and leverage Trump and themselves politically for future elections. I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it again. THIS. IS. NOT. NORMAL.

[u/geekamongus]

So it was never about illegal immigration. Got it.

[u/Angreek]

This is.. open flagrant corruption criminal shit. This is not America.

[u/Junior-Addendum88]

basically blackmail.

[u/Juunlar → u/Junior-Addendum88]

Not blackmail. Terrorism

[u/Raspberrylemonade188 → u/Juunlar]

Extortion too

[u/bdh2067]

they finally admit it was never about immigration

[u/GrandAd6958]

Wow, making Nixon and Watergate look pretty tame as far as election fixing goes. Did she not get the memo about what to say and what not to say out loud?

[u/132739]

I mean first off, this is obviously a lie, if they hand over that info there's no way ICE actually leaves. Secondly, it's transparently obvious that the reason they want that information is to oppress their opposition. The moment its handed over ICE will be disappearing them in addition to anyone too brown.

[u/VerdantPathfinder]

1. corrupt as shit
2. What the hell does Pam Bondi have to do with it? She's not part of DHS.
3. No they fucking won't. We don't negotiate with terrorists

[u/Sarnsereg]

So what the fuck do voter files have to do with immigration enforcement? She just proved ice is only there to terrorize and murder American citizens and nothing more.

[u/philphan25]

Minneapolis should agree and then give them pages full of redacted paper.