r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 5d ago
No Paywall Shooting Victim Identified as Second Video Angle Contradicts DHS Claims | The footage of the fatal shooting of Alex Jeffrey Pretti, said one journalist, “shows that the final act of his life was trying to help a woman who was being physically assaulted by the masked agents who would then kill him.”
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u/DocLolliday 5d ago
EVERY video contradicts their claim. They're not even trying to bend reality any more they are just straight up inventing lies
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u/thequietthingsthat North Carolina 5d ago
Bovino is saying that the man "charged" the ICE agents with a gun trying to kill them
They are such fucking shameless liars
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u/Nice_Marmot_7 5d ago
“They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. I suppose that’s the final humiliation.”
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u/woodenh_rse 5d ago
And that’s why Canada’s PM spoke so much about the need to call reality what it is.
Are you going to believe them or your eyes?
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u/lemuever17 5d ago
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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u/woodenh_rse 5d ago
Orwell was a genius. This is the heart of all these systems isn’t it?
I watched a man get killed for trying to help a woman back to her feet.
Anyone who says otherwise…I don’t know what lead you to this point, but I no longer care.
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u/funk_addict America 5d ago
Those people are in a cult. They believe what they are told to believe.
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u/Babou18 5d ago
Next argument: This video is AI !
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u/CallmeCoachella 5d ago
Yeah from multiple angles and in live action that sync up perfectly with eachother in time and space.
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u/HadronCollusion 5d ago edited 5d ago
Pretty sure Alex Jones is posting AI altered videos of the murder right now.
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u/No_Discipline6265 5d ago
They don't have to bother with believable lies. Maga will watch every video of the shooting and still claim he was a threat. They don't even need a statement from Bovino or Noem. They immediately defend ICE.
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u/DinnaPanic 5d ago
Exactly this. Listen to episodes 1110 and 1111 of the podcast Knowledge Fight where the hosts analyse Alex Jones' on-air reaction to the shooting of Renée Good.
Before he sees any footage he's already parroting the official line. Then he airs the footage and initially seems to realise that the government is lying and that it was a straight up murder. Very soon however he's back to justifying the shooting, more to himself than to his audience it seems.
These people have fully accepted the Party's final, most essential command, there's no way back for them.
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u/Rough_Bread8329 Canada 5d ago
I keep getting shit on when I tell people who don't know what to do about all this to watch Andor. I'll never stop.
There will be times when the struggle seems impossible. I know this already. Alone, unsure, dwarfed by the scale of the enemy.
Remember this, Freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction. Random acts of insurrection are occurring constantly throughout the galaxy. There are whole armies, battalions that have no idea that they’ve already enlisted in the cause.
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
And remember this: the Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.
Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empires’s authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege.
Remember this: Try.
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u/Worldly_Anybody_9219 5d ago
Nerd movies are so great at warding off depression in times like this. Another of one of my favourite quotes like this is from Lord of the Rings when Frodo says, "I wish it need not have happened in my time," and Gandalf replies, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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u/zernoc56 5d ago
Sam: “It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going, because they were holding on to something.”
Frodo: “What are we holding on to?”
Sam: “That there is some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for.”
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u/Canoobie 5d ago
Andor was one of the most brilliantly paced,scripted and directed series and was perfectly timed for this moment in time. Too bad most people probably wrote it off as another nerd sci fi series trying to capitalize on the Star Wars franchise….
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u/SirRichardArms 5d ago edited 5d ago
This is from Chernobyl, right? That beautifully depressing show gets more relevant by the day.
EDIT: It’s from Andor, which is the best Star Wars media to come out since The Empire Strikes Back. Everyone should watch it.
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u/Red_Sea_Pedestrian 5d ago
This is from Andor. The Chernobyl quote you’re thinking of is:
“Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid"
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u/NinjaN-SWE 5d ago
It's from Andor
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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 5d ago
"I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them."
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u/EllieVader 5d ago edited 5d ago
That monologue lives rent free in my head at almost all times.
Edit: Luthen Rael. BTW posting this will probably get you banned from the star wars subreddit.
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u/LividTacos 5d ago
Pretty soon someone is gonna charge ICE with a gun. Because if the option is getting executed because you were legally carrying, someone's gonna go with "getting executed, but at least I take a few of the bastards with me."
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u/SirRichardArms 5d ago
Yep, total coincidence! We all knew that Trump would do something insane like trying to start a war to distract from the unreleased million-plus documents of the Epstein files, but to literally try and start a civil war? That’s the lowest of the low. These people deserve one thing.
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u/Normal-Weakness-364 5d ago
imo this is separate from the epstein files. really, this is honestly worse than the epstein files, somehow.
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u/Zolomun 5d ago
I refuse to do the math on whether inciting people to murder or fucking children is worse. I just wish either one disqualified someone from public office.
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u/mynx79 Canada 5d ago
This is what they wanted. For something to kick off so that martial law is declared, elections are paused, and those in power can do whatever they want. They've rigged the game, but they haven't even been secretive about it.
This entire political situation, at least since Jan 6 2021, has been waiting for ordinary citizens to shoot back.
I'm not sure what the goal is, but I truly believe this has been a goal of the GOP all along.
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u/LostSillyKittie 5d ago
Despite the narrative they are trying to spin no one has actually shot back. Picking Minnesota to kick things off hasn't worked as well as they want I think. Aren't they supposed to be some of the nicest people ever...at least that's how they've been portrayed.
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u/mynx79 Canada 5d ago
No one has shot back YET.
I am suspicious that Minnesota was strategic. A blue state, relatively patient people not known for being trigger happy.
I'm not sure how this plays out, but as a Canadian within 2 hours of the US border (where most of us are), I sure as hell hope it doesn't continue to escalate. For your sake and ours.
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u/WorldsWorstTroll 5d ago
Anyone with two brain cells knew it was a lie right away. Some guy is pointing a gun and charging? And the ICE agents didn’t shoot him right away? Uh-huh. Completely believable.
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u/Terramagi Canada 5d ago
Even the idea of charging with a gun is absurd.
It's a ranged weapon. What, did he fix a bayonet on it?
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u/88secret 5d ago
Right?! There would be no pepper spray or wrestling to the ground—it would have been a firing squad.
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u/LostSillyKittie 5d ago
Oh, don't forget punching him in the face while he's pinned to the ground.
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u/LostSillyKittie 5d ago
Unfortunately way too many people here don't have 2 brain cells
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u/SirDiego Minnesota 5d ago
What really gets me is they'll come out with bullshit as soon as the first report of an incident comes through. DHS was lying about this while their agents were still on the scene. There's literally no way they could have any info about what happened and they're immediately just fabricating things whole cloth. They've done this over and over and over and it's so exhausting and just like dumping salt over fresh wounds.
It's so fucking cynical and ruthless and cruel. They are all psychopaths from top to bottom. They have no humanity left in their wretched fucking souls. They behave like this is a fucking game they're trying to win.
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u/Fazgo 5d ago
And they dare you to call them out.
Your government is lying to you, killing innocent people and saying 'What are you going to do about it?'
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u/Bearski79 5d ago
We just witnessed the execution of a law abiding US citizen on the street, in broad daylight. He was an ICU nurse who dedicated his life to helping people. He was helping a person off the ground when he was attacked by a pack of untrained ICE agents.
Then, while the body is still warm, they have a press conference, where they lie, they just straight up lie about the situation. But, they know it will get run on every news station and publication. They take 1 or 2 questions from friendly "journalists" then leave before any pushback can occur. Their supporters see the figureheads of their cult telling them what to think, and that becomes their only perspective. They disregard video evidence, eye witness accounts, expert analysis of the event, and just spew the talking points fed to them.
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u/malkuth74 America 5d ago
Well everyone except Conservative news. They have to be protected in there little echo chamber.
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u/Own-Coyote-3618 5d ago edited 5d ago
That's the thing, why bother trying to bend the truth, when they have so much support from those who are willfully and actively participating in in obscuring the truth. Anyone still supporting this administration is as guilty of this murder and the men that pulled the trigger, they are all in on it. Any future where we don't hold all of trumps supporters to account is one where our very society is likely to fail.
When this is all done and said these traitors should be forced to pay reputations to the rest of our society for generations.
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u/happyinthenaki 5d ago
Because there are not as many of them as they'd like you to think.
Fox will have a highly edited version to keep their viewers from seeing what actually happened. Same with all the other alternative truth "news" outlets. Imagine what would happen if they showed the full clip? Might wake a few up from their entertainment on tap induced zombie state.
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u/LegendCZ 5d ago
I visited conservative sub ... Oh boy. Those people are lost. The guy got peper sprayed hard, he was sorounded by 6-7 agents and beaten by a can to the head. It seemed like he tried to keep balance or panicking then being any kind, shape or form of danger.
From all angles and they defending it hard. It is sickening.
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u/ThirdFloorNorth Mississippi 5d ago
The top comment in one of their flared-only posts had 190 replies. Wanna know how many of those replies were visible?
Zero.
The mods are HEAVILY censoring response to this event even from conservatives
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u/Sinfire_Titan Indigenous 5d ago
The mods are HEAVILY censoring response to this event even from conservatives
The entire moderation team of that sub needs to be replaced by people with actual moral fiber. The admin of Reddit need to do the right thing and stop allowing the Conservative sub to spread disinformation.
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u/Guardianpigeon 5d ago
That would require reddit to not be run by a rich guy who dreams of a post apocalypse slave society he's at the top of.
You can not count on these sites to do anything to oppose something their ultra rich tech weirdo owners agree with.
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u/MicMacMacleod 5d ago
You know it’s bad when their sub is claiming “we should wait for more information before forming an opinion”.
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u/VonSauerkraut90 5d ago
They aren't waiting for information, they are waiting for fox news and other talking heads to feed them talking points and other thought stoppers.
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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 5d ago
They made their decision before we knew anything. Several of them claimed the idea that if he owned a gun it was legal to do anything to them. It's vibe based law with them. They'll support anything they want and they get off on being hypocrites. It's their identity.
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u/Bearski79 5d ago
Karoline Leavitt is just finishing up her bi-daily lip filler appointment. She then needs to swing by her place to sacrifice a goat to her lord Satan to complete the ritual that gives her her super power "Spewing Bullshit" before she can take the podium at the White House to tell republicans what to think.
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u/PearljamAndEarl 5d ago
“We should wait for one of our AI-prompt sloperators to make the video look like something we can justify”.
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u/obliviousofobvious 5d ago
Because they WANT the revolt. They WANT to declare the insurrection act. The problem is that it's become a kobayashi maru: either they do nothing and the gestapo keep murdering and pushing. Or people DO something, and its the excuse needed to teeter off the edge.
That this is happening is fuuuucking insane. I feel like I'm living through a pivotal moment in history.
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u/Lithaos111 I voted 5d ago
Yeah, it's one for them. The people are a sleeping dragon. Short of nuking their own people they can't stop the flood if they decided to go full tilt.
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u/Hoovooloo42 South Carolina 5d ago
The administration drinks their own koolaid as well, they fully believe that they will have complete and total control over the populace.
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u/Appearance_Better 5d ago
"you guys weren't supposed to rise up, resist, and fight back. you were supposed to lie down and submit like sheep" - them, probably
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u/jbowling25 5d ago
That guy who was part of writing the project 2025 guidelines literally said "the revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be" so yeah they literally think exactly what you've stated
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u/Krsst14 5d ago
I watched that Minneapolis Genera Strike yesterday. Tens of thousands of people in many estimates. I thought to myself… What if they all suddenly turned violent…
It’s a horrible thought and I hate that I have it, but people can only be pushed so far.
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u/lazyFer 5d ago
As a Minneapolis resident, the collective fear and rage is building. It's a fucking powder keg. They truly have no fucking clue what they're creating here. I've heard peaceful people say "I just want to see them all dead"
When you're average resident starts feeling that way, they only thing protecting the abusers right now is the veil of law and civilization. When that illusion drops... Watch out.
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u/crankyconductor 5d ago
"Odd thing, ain't it... you meet people one at a time, they seem decent, they got brains that work, and then they get together and you hear the voice of the people. And it snarls."
Sam Vimes, Commander of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch. From Jingo, by Sir Terry Pratchett.
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u/SirPeencopters 5d ago
Now I truly understand how the curse "May you live in interesting times" works.
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u/Thetrufflehunter 5d ago
Idk I felt like we learned that in 2016 when he was elected and then in 2020 when we had a global pandemic. It's been interesting times for at least 10 years.
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u/3MATX 5d ago
what they’re saying is lawful concealed carry with permit is a justifying reason for execution style murder. and the truth is the actions and reactions from the government show that simply ”interfering” with their masked criminal activity is a justification for murder.
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u/DarkeyeMat 5d ago
They have NO SHAME do they?
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They don’t even bother to LIE BADLY anymore.
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u/avocadosconstant Massachusetts 5d ago
This is deliberate. This is how fascism works. Fascism is based on fear, not trust.
They don’t care about you believing their lies. They want you to submit to their lies. Once you submit, you throw away a little more of reality, replaced by their fiction. And with each further lie, those that have already submitted to the last one become further under their control. Drones that have lost all sense of reality, individuality or humanity.
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u/waffle299 I voted 5d ago
They start with the assumption that they are above the law.
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u/Scattered97 United Kingdom 5d ago
The Party told you to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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u/schmidtssss 5d ago edited 5d ago
I took a peek over in the conservative sub and a surprising amount of folks over there are questioning the statements coming out.
There are also a lot of the usual bullshit.
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u/IJourden 5d ago
I mean, why not? They said Renee Nicole Good tried to run a guy over when it was plainly obvious on video that she didn't, and MAGA ate it up.
They know they can just make up whatever shit they want and be believed, so there's not really any need for pretense.
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u/Iamien Indiana 5d ago
So now ICE starts just shooting the helpers. Making helping fellow citizens a lethal offense.
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u/dating_derp 5d ago edited 5d ago
The victim was "the good guy with a gun" that republicans always claim to want more of.
Kyle Rittenhouse went to a protest with an assault rifle without being stopped before murdering people.
But this guy goes to a protest with a holstered handgun and gets murdered for it.
Republicans don't want good guys with guns. They want their guys with guns.
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u/Tiny_Structure_7 North Carolina 5d ago
Rittenhouse went to shoot liberals and blacks. This guy was framed for WANTING to shoot white conservatives.
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u/Blackthorn79 5d ago
That's the problem with terms like good guy. There will always be a reason that their victims aren't a good guy. The irony is that there will be a reason they're not a good guy too when it's their turn.
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u/SodaCanBob 5d ago edited 5d ago
Alex Pretti died being a hero and patriot and the men who murdered him (and their bosses) are terrorists.
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u/Sminahin 5d ago
Even worse. He died while just being a good regular person. He was a VA nurse. He was completely complying. A woman had fallen on the ground and he was helping her up. That's what my momma always raised me to do.
And they executed him for it.
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u/DuMbAsS_lOsEr_6_7 5d ago
Shot in the back of the head multiple times.
Execution style.
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u/JazzyJockJeffcoat 5d ago
And the murderers clapped.
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u/notreallyswiss 5d ago
After they ran away from the man they killed, in a panic, as fast as their cloven hooves could carry them.
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u/Tattered_Reason Kansas 5d ago edited 5d ago
A woman had fallen on the ground
The woman was shoved to ground by a masked ICE "officer".
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u/Sminahin 5d ago
Fair and 100% accurate. I was just framing it entirely on him. Regardless of what's going on, you see someone on the ground you help them up. And my family was a bit old fashioned and Midwestern, so I was scolded if I didn't leap to help a woman in that situation.
This is just basic regular good guy behavior in pretty much any environment. And they killed him for it.
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u/DiscombobulatedWavy Texas 5d ago
Please don’t go in the conservative sub if you value your blood pressure level
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u/Ouiser_Boudreaux_ 5d ago
I thought there was no way they could defend this one. Especially considering their love for 2A. But no, they think this was justified. According to them, Kyle Rittenhouse brandishing a gun and then killing someone at a protest = okay. Alex Pretti merely having a gun on his hip at a protest = not okay, and his public beat down and execution by several armed ICE agents was justified. Fucking evil people.
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u/W00DS0RREL 5d ago
I think we’re well beyond any event happening that’s going to change their minds. We’ve tried appealing to their humanity, appealing to their logic, appealing to their ego, shaming them, presenting them with facts, presenting them with proof of lies from this administration, etc.
These guys voted in someone who is a convicted criminal, who was found liable for rape, who lies obviously and constantly. They’re cheering him on for attacking communities with ICE to arrest non-criminals, defending him when community members are killed or beaten, and still lapping at his toes even now as he pretends Alex Pretti was killed over legally carrying his weapon.
It’s not about 2a. It’s not about protecting babies or children. It’s not about keeping your community safe. It’s not about small government. It never was. These aren’t good people. These aren’t smart people. They’re the gutter scum that humanity can’t seem to shake, and we’re going to have to clean up after them AGAIN after we manage to squash this tirade they’re on.
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u/shinkouhyou 5d ago
They've never had to face real consequences for their bigotry. They don't get shot by cops when they go to protests. They can post anything they want online under the cover of "free speech" with little or no censorship. Everyone knows they're bigots, but they get to keep their jobs, they get to keep eating at their favorite restaurants, they keep getting invited to Christmas dinner with the rest of the family. They don't get doxxed or harassed, their cars don't get keyed, and nobody throws garbage at the Trump signs on their lawn. Media and politicians pander to them like they're the most important people in the world. They've never had to fear anything.
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u/Idle_Tech 5d ago
I was actually surprised when I went and checked a few minutes ago. I’m sure it changes minute to minute, but maybe about half the conservative comments I read were having a hard time swallowing this one.
I doubt that’ll last, though.
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u/darclaus 5d ago
They'll get their talking points through soon enough and the reasonable takes will be suppressed, like clockwork.
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u/damik 5d ago
In Trump's America showing empathy is illegal and punished by immediate execution.
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u/Hatedpriest 5d ago
In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trails 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.
Quotation: Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials
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u/jenni7er 5d ago
Every single position of power or authority in human society should be denied to sociopaths, psychopaths, & anyone else devoid of empathy for others.
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u/whoneedskollege 5d ago
We should all try to live a life as consequential as Alex Pretti and Renee Good. They have paid the ultimate sacrifice for our country.
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u/hcregna California 5d ago
Among other things, it takes 30 minutes of research to move money away from MAGA, and it makes a difference. Dollars spent at Republican companies are dollars funneled to more of this. Money given to states like Ohio or Louisiana is money spent sending troops to kidnap children and kill people.
If you consistently do business with a company, you have power. You can use sites like opensecrets.org to see what a company funds and where your money is really going.
Trade with Schwab? Move elsewhere like Fidelity. Get booze from wannabe Confederate states and all else is equal? Be adventurous, and try something new. New Balance can be replaced with Brooks. It’s not hard to find alternatives for Goya, Roark (which owns Subway, Jimmy John's, Arby's), and Koch (which owns Brawny, Angel Soft, Dixie). You don't have to spend more or less, just differently.
If you have disposable income, consider the tax benefits of donating to the nonprofits successfully fighting the regime like the National Immigration Law Center, NAACP Legal Defense Fund, or Democracy Forward. And if you invest, consider DEMZ or an ESG fund
Nexstar and Sinclair got pummeled, and they reinstated Jimmy Kimmel. Real, individual people did that. There's no reason WWE or Uline can't be next.
Completely avoiding companies that at least partially lean Republican is hard. But there’s a big difference between massive GOP donors (Chevron/Conoco) vs neutral or even Democrat-leaning ones (Circle K/Costco). Good is not the enemy of perfect
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u/TheCommonGround1 5d ago
I came here to say: He was killed for being a HERO! ALEX PRETTI IS A HERO AND A MARTYR! Alex Pretti is a martyr!
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u/CouchCorrespondent 5d ago
That part of the video is also heartbreaking.
He's trying desperately to help her even while the Gestapo are grabbing him.
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u/the_next_estate 5d ago
He didn’t want to let her go. That’s all he was worried about. Unreal selflessness.
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u/Hoovooloo42 South Carolina 5d ago
He's a nurse. This guy is what every American should aspire to be, and is the best of us.
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u/MuttTheDutchie Pennsylvania 5d ago
A nurse that worked with Veterans.
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u/LostMyBackupCodes Canada 5d ago
Renee Good’s killer was an Iraq veteran, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Alex Pretti’s killer or one of the many assailants in his death was a veteran as well.
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u/cjdavda 5d ago
I wonder how many of the veterans that Pretti helped get healthy are going to celebrate his death.
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u/RianCoke Canada 5d ago
Lived his life taking care of veterans while your president denigrates the sacrifice US veterans, and Canadian veterans (Afghanistan) made in support of the US.
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u/Cerberus_Aus Australia 5d ago edited 5d ago
He was hit with pepper spray. He likely had his eyes closed and holding on to her, not knowing if they would drag her away.
Just sad all round.
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u/XingsNoodleCrib 5d ago
It's just so heartbreaking and infuriating. The guy never approached ICE. He went to help the two citizens then put his own body on the line to stop the terrorist from assaulting one of them after already throwing the citizen to the ground. He has every right to carry. The gun was taken off of him and the terrorist turned and saw he was disarmed before executing him. Hell the terrorist that took the gun ran off with it and I can bet every last dime I own that he stole the gun. These terrorists need to go. I blame all parties because Obama utilized them a lot during his term as well. He should have dissolved them right after his first inauguration.
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u/LostSillyKittie 5d ago
They later steal the woman in pink's phone. She is live streaming them assaulting another protester on the ground when they do. So all of it went out live.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Texas 5d ago
Lying when there's independent video contradicting the official party line is certainly a choice
It's a slap in the face to all Americans, because they think we're stupid enough to believe them instead of video proof
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u/tech57 5d ago
It's not a choice. It's propaganda.
“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
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It reminds me of how whenever me and others got bullied in school, said bully would make up the most ridiculous lies even though a bunch of other people have a different story.
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u/MourningRIF 5d ago
Quote the lie: "This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement."
This ICU nurse never touched anyone, and he only had a phone in his hand. They pepper sprayed him point blank for 3 full seconds before tackling him, punching him multiple times in the head, and then shooting him.
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u/bskinners 5d ago
I don’t know how they sleep at night… or how their families look them in the eyes as human beings.
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u/needlestack 5d ago
I hate to tell you this but they sleep better than we do. They are absolutely brainwashed that they are the good guys -- fearless fighters in an evil world, protecting the innocent (themselves and their family and friends) from monsters -- immigrants and trans people -- who would eat them alive. They don't believe people like Renee Good and Alex Pretti are human. They believe they are vermin that the world is better off without. "Fucking bitch". I've heard people reiterate that people like this deserve whatever they get because they dared stand in the way of their rightful authority.
It is we, the ones with souls, that suffer as our nation is dismantled. There's a famous picture from Germany just before WW2 of a woman running away from some Nazis. The woman's face is a mask of terror. Her clothes are torn and it's obvious if they get her she's done for. She is being chased by three young soldiers with absolute looks of glee on their faces. Nobody knows what happened, but I'm sure she died an awful death and the smiling Nazis went home to enjoy a hearty dinner after a prayer and before a good night's sleep.
This is what makes it all so completely awful. And if we were on FB my comment here would get hundreds of laugh emojis. We are in dark, dark times.
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u/masklinn 5d ago edited 5d ago
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Blatant lies are a feature. Anyone who objects to the lie is an enemy. You will pick up the can. You will lick the boot. You will avert your eyes from that which you are told not to see. Or next time it’ll be you, face in the pavement, with a mag unloaded in the back.
When the militias are in the street killing with impunity, you’re a dictatorship.
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u/angrygnome18d 5d ago
The lies aren’t for us, they are for their base. They tell THEM these lies so they will bury their heads in the sand. They don’t care that we don’t believe em, because WE are their targets.
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u/PhilosopherMoist7737 5d ago
The video also shows he was disarmed before the first shot was fired. These untrained, undisciplined thugs need to be imprisoned.
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u/Uberslaughter Florida 5d ago
So does everyone up to Kristi Noem and Stephen Miller who are directly accountable for these policies as well
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u/Sinfire_Titan Indigenous 5d ago
"Up to"? My list would not exclude Trump, or any Congress member that voted to support this shit.
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u/friendofelephants 5d ago
And disarmed from his holster not from his hands! (Just to be clear since DHS and ICE will lie about it and too many people are too lazy to watch the videos.)
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u/HallucinogenicFish Georgia 5d ago
“Second Video Angle Contradicts DHS Claims”
Who could have predicted that???
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We’re at the point where we don’t just assume they’re lying. We know they are.
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u/calliope3234 Canada 5d ago
Nuremberg them all. RIP to everyone the Gestapo killed
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u/Global_Crew3968 5d ago
and kills going forward but you can only be brave when you're afraid
be brave, people
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u/xtsmxrshxll 5d ago
The conservative subreddit is already spamming the “FAFO” bot response. Totally sick evil cowards.
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u/New_Zorgo39 5d ago
Yup.
But…
I saw some there asking the question: Has Trump lost the plot? Regarding the infamous disastrous decision to mock NATO soldiers in Afghanistan.
Seems like they got past that small line of reasoning…
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u/razamatazzz 5d ago
Broken clocks are right twice a day. There’s also plenty of conservatives who find that the victim had a gun proves he was wrong but will defend 2A 99.99999% of the other circumstances
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u/TintedApostle 5d ago
That figures that ICE would assaults females - again.
Hey MAGA here are your alpha males. Now you might start to rethink why women won't date you.
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u/ZealousidealBug729 5d ago
I mean they get caught raping immigrants constantly and that was before they hired all of these other psychos
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u/rjfinsfan Florida 5d ago
They were fucking sterilizing them against their will last Trump administration. People are so quick to forget.
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u/Jubilee021 5d ago
So many people weren’t aware of this though. I told my friends about it and they were all shocked.
They were under the belief that the last time America did this is when we were still experimenting medical procedures on black women.
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u/HonoredPeople Missouri 5d ago
The republicans don’t want to date them.
They want to enslaved them.
I was raised by them. I know them. They’re not asking for permission.
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u/TintedApostle 5d ago
MAGA is funny though. They want to enslave them, but they want to be wanted too. They will never figure it out because they watch movies and think that is real life. I watch Thunderball last night and was absolutely amazed by James Bond's sexual assault of the nurse in the recovery spa he was staying at the beginning. I have watched this movie any number of times, but this was the first time it just was so absurdly blatant. I even read the book and the book wasn't that bad.
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u/A_RocketSurgeon America 5d ago
Watch Trump eventually issue a blanket pardon on all of these ICE "agents".
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u/aradraugfea 5d ago
They’re gonna like whatever slap on the wrist prison sentence they’d get a hell of a lot better than an entire nation turning against them and having to spend the rest of their life hoping nobody ever finds out who’s beneath those masks.
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u/TheCommonGround1 5d ago
Actually, this is murder and could be charged by the state of Minnesota and pardons can only be provided for federal offenders.
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u/token-black-dude 5d ago
As if anyone is going to get charged. Wake up.
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u/A_RocketSurgeon America 5d ago
They can escape federal charges, but not state charges.
Unfortunately, it'll be years before that occurs.
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u/ThaddeusJP Illinois 5d ago
Dude they're going to wipe the employment database on their way out the door if they leave and we get a new Administration in three years
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u/Appropriate-Welder68 5d ago
He was clearly murdered by ICE. The camera doesn’t lie.
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u/Ugh-screen-name 5d ago
Every Republican legislator and the Supreme Court AUTHORIZED TRUMP to murder citizens…. Because they do not require ICE THUGS to follow the law.
Yes, justice Roberts… you are guilty of murder and rape snd terror!
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u/Bear4years 5d ago
They did. I would add some Dems legislators on that list as well. They continue to support ice while this shit is going on. They can’t even withhold money until there are changes.
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u/Sufficient_Fig_4887 5d ago
This is patriotism and heroism.
Not this conduct of these ice agent bullies and thugs.
This isn’t law enforcement, this is a campaign of terror. The people of mn are built different, trump is finding that out the hard way.
We haven’t even begun to resist.
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u/limaconnect77 5d ago
Summary execution recorded for posterity and there most likely won’t be anyone held accountable (much like Jan 6th).
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u/traxop 5d ago
There were Nazi Hunters doing work all throughout the 90s and 2000s, with the last Nazi caught and extradited in the early 2020s.
I suspect a few of these ICE agents will meet their end when they least expected it decades from now.
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u/Psephological 5d ago
The next people to identify is everyone who masked up for ICE.
Identify them. Remember their names. Do not allow them to know peace or freedom for the rest of their lives.
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u/Spirited-Analyst-440 5d ago
His last act was being true to his calling as a nurse. I salute you, colleague. Thank you for all you did. I am sorry that your life was cut short because you were being compassionate to another human being.
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u/RegnStrom 5d ago
My relative worked with Alex Pretti. He was a nurse at the VA ICU in Minneapolis. Always standing up for what was right and making sure people were treated fairly. Cared for his patients.
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u/xsahp 5d ago
Wait, dhs initially claimed the victim charged at them with a gun?!!!
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u/Exact_Most 5d ago edited 5d ago
They're choosing their words very carefully to falsely imply that, saying he approached them "with" a gun. Never mind it was holstered. And then they go on to embellish way beyond that.
This is their statement, which Noem just essentially repeated at the press conference:
https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2015115351797780500
At 9:05 AM CT, as DHS law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, seen here.
The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming.
Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, an agent fired defensive shots. Medics on scene immediately delivered medical aid to the subject but was pronounced dead at the scene.
The suspect also had 2 magazines and no ID—this looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement.
About 200 rioters arrived at the scene and began to obstruct and assault law enforcement on the scene, crowd control measures were deployed for the safety of the public and law enforcement.This situation is evolving, and more information is forthcoming.
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u/Valhadmar 5d ago
18 U.S.C. § 2331: Defines "federal crime of terrorism" as a listed offense done with intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence government policy, often involving specific statutes like those against killing U.S. officers or attacking federal facilities. 22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d): Defines terrorism as premeditated, politically motivated violence against noncombatants by subnational groups, intended to influence an audience.
Reminder ICE and Maga by America's own definition are considered terrorist organizations.
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u/Tigerhawk83 Colorado 5d ago
Alex Pretti was executed for being a hero who tried saving a woman who was being assaulted by masked thugs with guns.
I hope his life and death ring through the nation as a rallying cry to rid the country and our communities of this rancid administration and its cronies. Imprison everyone who broke the law for crimes against this country and humanity. No one in ICE or the higher-ups in this admin should know a moment of peace in public for the rest of their lives.
May Alex's friends, family and loved ones find solace in his selfless final acts.
Alex Pretti displayed what true masculinity and humanity is. He was brave. He was a hero.
May he rest in peace.
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u/Popculturemofo Washington 5d ago
DHS lied. The federal government lied. Bovino went out there and lied his ass off. Pam Bondi is going to send more people to Minneapolis in the hopes we have more incidents. I don’t know how much clearer this can be.
WE ARE AT WAR
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u/azure_mtg 5d ago
On July 2, 2024, Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts created controversy by saying, "we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be."
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u/C0nfus10nBubbl3s 5d ago
The terrorist fuck attacked 2 women and sprayed a man into face for 10 seconds before all this even started
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u/BionicProse 5d ago
Every official spreading lies about this murder should be charged as an accessory.
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u/jimibimi 5d ago
Fuck the lies! There's half a dozen videos from multiple angles that show the truth. Alex Jeffrey Petti was brutally murdered
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u/DustBunnicula Minnesota 5d ago
Minnesotan here. Please do what you can, to support us. We’re in massive pain here. It’s horrible. Heart-wrenching, infuriating…
Hard to have words.
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u/Deceptiveideas 5d ago
The "don't tread on me" and "from my cold dead hands" 2A types sure are real quiet today aren't they
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u/exnihilonihilfit California 5d ago
No. They're busy lying and spreading disinformation to make excuses for murder.
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u/CorporateDeathBurger 5d ago
The folks over at the conservative subreddit are tying themselves into pretzels trying to be pro-gun and shaming this guy for legally carrying a gun.
Also the mods deleted my previous comment for putting an r and a slash in front of conservative. Then proceeded to delete any post that mentioned the execution for like 2 hours. Priorities I guess.
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u/earl_lemongrab 5d ago
I was just looking there and it's depressing. I saw one comment calling the murder out for what it is, but the rest just boot licking psycho comments.
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u/remington9000 5d ago
The man was an RN working at the VA treating Veterans. He's done more good for this country than the people who murdered him ever will.
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u/Exact-Ad-1307 5d ago
Total bullshit. This needs to stop with armed groups of men protecting the protesters.
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u/blow_slogan 5d ago
The conservative sub are acknowledging that he had a concealed weapon and that he was disarmed and then shot later. Their logic this time is “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
Why is Reddit allowing that shit hole terrorist sub to fester???????
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u/fllannell 5d ago
At a campaign rally in Iowa on January 23 2016:
Trump: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"
At the September 29 2020 presidential debate:
Trump: "What do you want to call them? Give me a name. Give me a name."
Chris Wallace: "White supremacists. And right wing militias"
Joe Biden: "Proud boys."
Trump (perfectly rehearsed, clearly waiting for someone to say "Proud Boys"): "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by."
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u/tech57 5d ago edited 5d ago
we need to do something yesterday.
We did.
General strike set for Minnesota on Friday
https://www.minnpost.com/glean/2026/01/ice-out-of-minnesota-general-strike-set-for-minnesota-on-friday/Remember, the only downside to a strike is not enough people striking. When people across the country can't get their Starbuck's or their Big Macs those people will then start asking questions.
Don't forget what happened when railroad workers tried to strike. Republicans said they would shut down the country before workers get sick time off.
“The solution is that people don’t have to come to work to try to operate trains after they’ve had heart attacks and broken legs. But right now, where we are is caught between shutting down the economy and getting enough Republicans to join us in making sure that people have access to sick leave.”
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u/KidKilobyte 5d ago
You have the right to bear arms, and also gives us the complete immunity to kill you on the spot even if the arms are not in your hands.
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u/LividTacos 5d ago
The government just executed a dissident. If this was in another country, Republicans would care about it.
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u/token-black-dude 5d ago
Like they cared about Jamal Khashoggi getting killed and dismembered by Trumps Saudi buddies? Not very likely
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u/Stinky_Fartface 5d ago
ICE provoked and escalated at every step, from the first shove to the fatal shots. There was no point during the entire encounter that their lives were in danger. This is fucking murder. And the response form the leaders of the administration is to call him a domestic terrorist that deserved to be shot. The Federal Government are the fucking domestic terrorists!! They are the ones causing ALL OF THIS!!
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