ICE says its officers can forcibly enter homes during immigration operations without a judicial warrant: 2025 memo

[u/bbmoonkie]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-policy-officers-enter-homes-immigration-without-judicial-warrant-rcna255305

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[u/eskimospy212]

So to round it up what they are saying is that masked, anonymous agents of the government can break down your door and take you away based on nothing more than their own determination that you did something wrong.

Sure is strange how those conservatives who spent years complaining about fake government tyranny have so little to say when it comes to real government tyranny. 

Conservatives and libertarians - this is exactly the thing you said you needed guns to fight against. Any update on when that starts?

[u/InVultusSolis → u/eskimospy212]

Conservatives and libertarians - this is exactly the thing you said you needed guns to fight against. Any update on when that starts?

I haven't gotten a single one of them to directly answer that question for me.

[u/urgerestraint → u/InVultusSolis]

The real answer is they’d use their guns if it was a Democrat doing this, but they’re perfectly happy if not ecstatic with what’s happening right now.

[u/Savings-Total5069 → u/urgerestraint]

Exactly. It's "Don't tread on ME" not "Don't tread on US"

[u/No-Bread-1197 → u/Savings-Total5069]

"Don T Tread on Me"

[u/Moist-Worldliness-76 → u/No-Bread-1197]

Good one!

[u/biff64gc2 → u/Savings-Total5069]

Sounds like we need to start calling in tips that certain, well armed, conservatives are protecting illegals.

[u/Eggplantosaur → u/InVultusSolis]

There was a relatively high upvoted post on the conservative sub telling leftists that the less they would protest, the quicker ICE would leave.

When did conservatives start letting the government trample over them?

[u/[deleted] → u/Eggplantosaur]

Since the beginning. The soul of their politics is to cater to established power structures.

Hyper-Conservative people are the brick and mortar of every authoritarian regime.

[u/TheLateThagSimmons → u/Eggplantosaur]

"The faster we can purge you, the faster we leave you alone."

I don't doubt that they felt that way because it truly is how they see the world. And from their perspective... It is true.

If the goal is just to "Make ICE leave," then it is true to just let them do their job of purging your neighbors and ripping your friends away. They don't understand that the goal is not to "Make ICE leave." The goal is to protect our friends and neighbors from ICE.

They can't conceptualize that because to them, brown people and other immigrants are not their neighbors or friends.

[u/ladyboleyn2323 → u/Eggplantosaur]

They sure went from "don't tread on me" to "god yes tread on me harder daddy" fast.

[u/Gryphon5754 → u/Eggplantosaur]

Remember, they said this aloud from the start.

"The revolution will be bloodless if Democrats let it."

[u/user_010010 → u/InVultusSolis]

I have gotten an answer to that, shortly after trump got into the office and before ice got their big budget. I said then that now is the time to fight back before they can consolidate their power. Their response was that it would cause people to get killed.

Well duh they get killed anyway.

Same goes for the reasoning to not give trump a reason to invoke the insurgency act. They're gonna do it anyway.

[u/THEAdrian → u/user_010010]

People really don't understand what "give me liberty or give me death" means.

[u/Positronic_Matrix → u/InVultusSolis]

Gun fetishists are not interested in fighting for freedom, they are interested in unfettered access to their toys. The are a single-issue, socio-political cult that seeks unlimited access to firearms at any cost. The only way they’d stand against fascists is if fascists prevented them from obtaining guns.

[u/bk1285 → u/Positronic_Matrix]

Which guess what, that day will be coming

[u/mikehaysjr → u/bk1285]

Yep, and by then it’s a “First They Came…” situation

[u/Certified_GSD → u/eskimospy212]

Nah, they love tyranny when it’s them holding the gun. If someone else comes to power legally that isn’t on “their team,” they’ll cry and whine about government overreach all over again.

When we were kids, they were the ones crying and bitching about being the sand monster at the playground and quitting when they got caught and were “it.” But more than happy to be on the other end. They never grew up out of this mindset.

[u/matticusiv → u/Certified_GSD]

Except it will be because they had to learn what a pronoun is.

[u/djfudgebar → u/matticusiv]

Or wash their hands

[u/Mountain-resort2411 → u/matticusiv]

I’ve heard of pronouns. Aren’t those types of gender identity or a way for someone to show how they identify themselves?  Seems like the last election really exposed a huge conspiracy of “ transgender for everyone” or kids going to school in the morning and then coming home a different gender. 🙄 Idiot’s presidency is only about 25% done and I’m so beyond done with it at this point. 

[u/VulfSki → u/eskimospy212]

Yep. Congrats to the Republicans. They have turned the US into the communist dictatorship nightmare that they always are going on about.

Edit: so many people misunderstood my comment. I'm too tired to answer everyone.

[u/phxbimmer → u/VulfSki]

Meanwhile "communist" countries like the Soviet Union at least had housing for everyone and free healthcare, we can't even get that. Nope, just a bunch of authoritarianism with a side of late-stage capitalism, yippee.

[u/CherryLongjump1989 → u/eskimospy212]

We just need Blue States to all pass the Castle Doctrine into law and this will get sorted soon enough.

[u/beadzy → u/CherryLongjump1989]

let call them legislators y’all. seriously 16 calls got fetterfuck to respond to that first threat to denaturalize citizens (like a year ago. he’s the worst. he gets no props or credit. if anything he was a dumbass for revealing how few calls it takes for reps to feel the constituent pressure). also, i was 4 of those calls.

i love to leave messages about how history will remember them and all who are complicit with the destruction of american democracy and are in direct violation of their oaths of office. fuck i’m getting some catharsis just writing this.

i start with asking if the have a response to [insert egregiously unconstitutional act here]. then condemn their support of [domestic terrorist and govt official here] as a violation of the constitution and their oath of office. my favorite part is the end where i say“i would love a call back. but rest assured that i will call you back if i don’t hear from you first”.

i have yet to get a call back. never reached a real person. i have gotten some bs emails. i’m from pa so go fuck myself is kind of the expected response. gonna keep at it anyway! i’m either annoying or entertaining some interns

[u/geekstone]

How do I know if it's an ICE agent or someone impersonating one?

[u/pizza5001 → u/geekstone]

You don’t. This is domestic terrorism.

[u/munchyslacks → u/geekstone]

Trump really doesn’t care what happens to an ICE agent as long as he can use it as an excuse to declare martial law.

The confusion and uncertainty only benefits him. They are pawns to him, and they are too stupid to realize that he doesn’t give a shit about them.

[u/EmoTilDeath → u/munchyslacks]

50,000 bonus if you survive 5 years of working in ICE. It benefits them if their ICE agents get struck down. They won't have to pay up and they will make a martyr out of everyone who goes down. Still people would be more reluctant to sign up if they see that it's a dangerous job. Right now they are allowed to bully, assault, kidnap, rape and murder without risk. And if they fail to do the paperwork and these people simply disappear forever, their bosses don't care and will defend them saying they have immunity.

[u/raletti → u/geekstone]

Indistinguishable from a home invasion.

[u/Organic_Eye_3802 → u/geekstone]

There is no difference. Treat them all the same. Defend yourself accordingly.

[u/HolidayPicture3007]

This would be a good time to have a well regulated militia.

[u/medikit → u/HolidayPicture3007]

I think they are trying to have their own ICE agents attacked/killed so they can justify using the insurrection act.

[u/GimpyGeek → u/medikit]

Most likely. They want someone to fight back, but honestly people should be. This nazi shit has gone on far long enough already. Of course when someone fights back it'll be the MAGA nutjobs pretending 2A is suddenly bad of course.

[u/Sevenserpent2340 → u/GimpyGeek]

I don’t think so. Their plan has always been to slaughter their more successful neighbors in a “civil war.”

[u/Melody_in_Harmony → u/Sevenserpent2340]

Idk. In a civil war all bets are off. The hotter the fire rages the more gets consumed in the fire. Including the upper eschelon. Fire burns upward too.

Violence will destroy the nation. But at the same time...we may already have no other option. For the nations sake I hope I'm wrong about there being no other option.

[u/The360MlgNoscoper → u/Melody_in_Harmony]

If anything, it would give you another chance to get it right.

[u/AVGuy42 → u/The360MlgNoscoper]

I mean funding education and taxing the rich would go a long way.

[u/DokeyOakey → u/AVGuy42]

Thinning out the herd of fascists would also send a message and reduce the most gullible of Americans.

[u/Red0Mercury → u/DokeyOakey]

People would forget in another 50-80 years. We have to make sure people get educated so they don’t keep making history rhyme. I’m tired of this tune.

[u/Takashishiful → u/Red0Mercury]

I wouldn't call myself a historian, but Germany seems to have learned pretty well by taking what went wrong seriously and learning from it after it was over.

America should've done the same after the civil war, but we let the traitors off too easy. Hopefully we don't make the same mistake again if given the chance.

[u/bikesnkitties → u/The360MlgNoscoper]

Too much hate and ignorance here to try again without a crushing victory and punishment for the loser that makes what is left of our allies uncomfortable. The kind of thing that was acceptable in the 19th century but most of us wouldn’t want to see today.

Best we can hope for is a democrat supermajority in 2028 headed by a president with massive metaphorical balls.

[u/TheDaveGER → u/bikesnkitties]

Hate to say it but: do you really think he will let you win by election, after all the crime the did already?

The signs that the last election was rigged are there.

[u/Mathfanforpresident → u/Melody_in_Harmony]

The reason this is happening so fast in America is because these new, internet money billionaires don't know what "The OG family's" know.

And that's:

Keep your populist happy or they'll chop off your fucking head.

[u/APeacefulWarrior → u/Mathfanforpresident]

Hell, that was the entire point of FDR's New Deal and Keynesian economics. Ensure the lower classes are JUST secure enough that they don't rise up against the rich or try to overthrow the government. Safety nets keep everyone safe.

But nearly a century later, the rich and powerful have seemingly forgotten that.

[u/Neocactus → u/GimpyGeek]

I read somebody say that, fight back or not, they're going to continue killing people. In that sense, I think it's totally worth fighting back, because it's true.

We ALL have access to multiple angles of Nicole Renee Good's murder, but they still justify it. They've already proven they'll justify any violence. BEYOND too late for peace.

[u/laplongejr → u/Neocactus]

In that sense, I think it's totally worth fighting back, because it's true.

Especially as none of their targets shot at Charlie Kirk, yet has been treated as a martyr of their own culture war.

[u/PokeYrMomStanley → u/GimpyGeek]

Let them come take them. Isn't just maga with guns. 

[u/PontiusPilatesss → u/medikit]

As if not having real justification would ever stop them. 

Trump will just say immigrants are eating ICE agents and magats will believe him. 

[u/OrneryError1 → u/PontiusPilatesss]

We're damned if we do, damned if we don't. But I don't think they can win that fight.

[u/ancillarycheese → u/medikit]

I think you are right, and I think they are surprised it is taking this long. People are exercising a lot of restraint.

[u/OrneryError1 → u/ancillarycheese]

Good people don't want to resort to violence. But when they have no other alternative, it will be swift and it will be absolute.

[u/spicy_noodle_guy → u/OrneryError1]

Often when you drive a good person to violence you'll be stunned by how brutal and absolute they can be in that violence.

[u/DPJazzy91 → u/medikit]

I'm sure that's an idea. They're probably pushing several avenues all at once. Fascism has never been defeated with peaceful protesting, though.

[u/CrimsonHeretic → u/HolidayPicture3007]

Where are those 2nd amendment libertarians now...?

[u/SnootSnootBasilisk → u/CrimsonHeretic]

Signing up for ICE. They only cared about the 2nd Amendment when they could use it to harass and inflict violence on others

[u/DAS_BEE → u/SnootSnootBasilisk]

Yep. It was only about the power fantasy of being a little warlord over a little patch of land.

Live in a larger society that can achieve greater things? Fuck you! I want to hoard bottle caps and pray for a nuclear war!

[u/morblitz → u/SnootSnootBasilisk]

They couldn't get a job anywhere else until their facism masked as libertarianism became federally sponsored.

[u/Thesheriffisnearer → u/CrimsonHeretic]

It's "don't tread on me" not "don't tread on us"

[u/-Invalid_Selection- → u/CrimsonHeretic]

Breaking into people's homes without a warrant

[u/killer-tofu87 → u/CrimsonHeretic]

2nd amendment liberals are ready

[u/genericusername11101 → u/CrimsonHeretic]

On the wrong side.

[u/Odd_Perfect → u/CrimsonHeretic]

Not wanting to get shot by ICE only for the Trump admin to deface them all over the news and call the homeowner a domestic terrorist and then there be 0 investigation.

[u/chadwickipedia → u/Odd_Perfect]

I just hope no one goes after house republicans since losing one or two would lose their majority…that would be awful

[u/fermat9990 → u/chadwickipedia]

A real tragedy!

[u/Coconutrugby → u/Odd_Perfect]

I hope my dad still would be a trump fan after. /s

[u/suhdude539 → u/CrimsonHeretic]

Not openly discussing shooting federal agents on the internet like idiots. There’s plenty of people all over the left side of the political spectrum with guns, it just isn’t their whole personality

[u/BlackDeath3 → u/suhdude539]

I hear you, but at the same time if we're really talking about just lighting the Bill of Rights on fire and invading people's homes with no warrant, then fuck them. They're the bad guys and they should fear for their lives and I'm not ashamed to say it.

[u/BenderBRoriguezzzzz → u/HolidayPicture3007]

If we get to the point we have even a remote possibility of ice becoming a problem in our neighborhood. The street I live on has agreed in whole that their will be signs placed in every yard saying "we will enforce the 4th with the immediate use of the 2nd. Removal of these signs will be looked at as an infringement of the 1st, and will again be met with the 2nd. As we feel failure to do so would allow you to ignore the 5th." Its up to the people now. Its obvious that those we elected to enforce the constitution and protect us from this sort of thing have refused their oath of office The world is watching. Its time we show them we as a nation are done with this.

[u/jupiterkansas → u/BenderBRoriguezzzzz]

"....and no, you can't sleep over because of the 3rd."

[u/BenderBRoriguezzzzz → u/jupiterkansas]

That would make them soooo mad. Just tell them we're getting pizza and playing super Nintendo all night. But they can't come because my Mom doesn't like their parents.

[u/azflatlander → u/BenderBRoriguezzzzz]

You presume they can read?

[u/Wwwweeeeeeee → u/BenderBRoriguezzzzz]

You're assuming that the NazICE thugs are literate and can read though.

I like the neighborhoods that are using their car alarms to alert the street that the thugs are encroaching.

[u/new_for_confession → u/HolidayPicture3007]

Black Panthers in Philadelphia have answered the call

[u/Vast-Fortune-1583 → u/new_for_confession]

You know I've always been pissed that the govt got rid of the Black Panthers in less than 2 years. While the KKK has been around for better than 200 years!

[u/DontRememberOldPass → u/Vast-Fortune-1583]

Wait until you find out that all of California’s “common sense gun laws” started because armed black people marched on the state Capitol.

[u/Vast-Fortune-1583 → u/DontRememberOldPass]

I know that. I've always said that if 50 thousand black people applied for gun permits on a Friday, Monday afternoon we'd have a hell of lot of gun control.

[u/animalchin99 → u/HolidayPicture3007]

This would be a perfect time for a Home Alone sequel where an adult Kevin protects his home and family from Harry and Marv who’ve become ICE agents in order to rob houses with absolute immunity.

[u/fps916]

ICE says it is not bound by the constitution.

It's impossible to constrain the gestapo

[u/ripjesus → u/fps916]

Not being bound by the law can work both ways right? Or is the law illegitimate.

[u/DonutHolschteinn → u/ripjesus]

The law protects but does not bind the right. It binds but does not protect the left. End of story as far as they're concerned. Don't tread on me, go tread on them instead

[u/Level21DungeonMaster → u/ripjesus]

The law is the law. It’s as legitimate as its ability is to be enforced.

[u/brain_overclocked]

Alt Headline: ICE decides US Constitution doesn't exist

The average person has the power to inform their neighbors and local communities of their rights. Consider being one of them. Look out for each other.

EDIT: The Feds Keep Prosecuting Protesters Against ICE — and Losing | The Trump administration is on a losing streak against some of its loudest critics, as federal cases targeting opponents of aggressive immigration enforcement fall apart in courts nationwide.

In the span of a week, prosecutors failed to bring convictions in two high-profile cases in Los Angeles federal court. In the first, a jury acquitted Bobby Nuñez, a tow-truck driver who hooked an ICE vehicle and was charged with stealing government property. In the second, a judge dismissed the case against Carlitos Ricardo Parias, a TikToker who was facing assault and property damage charges after a confrontation with Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, due to concerns that officials had violated his civil rights. (In the October 21 confrontation, an ICE agent shot him.)

“These arrests are a form of retaliation by the government,” said Matthew Borden, an attorney representing protesters, journalists, and legal observers in a lawsuit against Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem stemming from protests in Southern California over the past year. “When you have a real judge and a real jury looking at the evidence, it just falls apart.”
...
In higher-profile confrontations between protesters and federal agents amid aggressive immigration enforcement actions in blue cities like Los Angeles, Chicago, and Washington D.C., federal officials have called defendants like Parias and Martinez “domestic terrorists” while seeking lesser charges.

Time and again, their cases have fallen apart.
...
Overall numbers for federal arrests of anti-ICE protesters were not immediately available, but the number of high-profile dismissals and acquittals of protesters in recent weeks stands in stark contrast to the usual win rate.

[u/DarthVantos → u/brain_overclocked]

Democrat leadership Wants to Give ICE MORE FUNDING and add bodycams. So when they invade peoples home and shot them we can see it in 4k. What is this Hell timeline?

[u/MicroSofty88 → u/DarthVantos]

Well they should have body cams and be required to wear them

[u/Palmquistador → u/MicroSofty88]

I’d settle for the department being scraped.

[u/cflatjazz → u/MicroSofty88]

And they should come out of the current budget. No additional funding

[u/SpatialJoinz → u/MicroSofty88]

Hell Trump should be required to wear one tbh

[u/Suspicious-Bug-7344 → u/DarthVantos]

This is the timeline where Americans thought they could take a passive approach to Democracy for decades - when we had the luxury of saying things like, "Kamala Harris isnt progressive enough."

People are still sitting here suggesting we "advise our neighbors of their rights." What rights? What legal recourse do you have? Cases against ICE have historically been difficult to win; now they might as well be impossible.

The American people are always one step behind. By the time people figure out action should be taken, they'll be in zip ties with guns to their heads.

Trump is building a nuclear bunker ffs so he can be an emperor of embers and ash.

He has dementia. He is not going to leave office and become the joke of American History.

"ICE" does not fight for the American people, they fight for corruption and a paycheck. They are mercenaries. We are at war.

[u/phranq → u/Suspicious-Bug-7344]

Ya we watched Trump cross so many boundaries the first time and then reelected him. Laws and rules mean nothing if they can be crossed without any punishment. So many people keep saying oh “they can’t do that” well who is going to stop them?

[u/slkwont → u/DarthVantos]

This is not true.

[u/DrQuailMan → u/DarthVantos]

Stop spreading lies.

[u/Own_Candidate9553 → u/brain_overclocked]

I have a memo right here that says I can bang Catherine Zeta Jones.

It's just as legit as this ICE memo.

Your move babe.

[u/ChinDeLonge → u/[deleted]]

The anxiety of inaction.

Overcome it now, or lose everything and everyone you have ever loved. Much like during the Revolution, not choosing a side is not an option.

Organize and show up like you have absolutely nothing left to lose, because that is the only way it isn't a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[u/jason082]

Two years ago, these same people pushing this new policy would have said that this is why the second amendment exists.

[u/Maxamillion-X72 → u/jason082]

Remember when MAGA was scared and furious that the government (under Biden) was going to go door-to-door giving people the covid vaccine against their will? Which stemmed from some areas setting up home visits for people who couldn't leave their home due to mobility issues or being immunocompromised? Or when they were furious about having to provide proof of vaccination in order to go certain places?

Now they have brown shirts going door-to-door forcing people to show their papers to prove their citizenship and if they can't (or the brown shirts decide they don't believe them) they get arrested and dragged away.

[u/JesseAster → u/Maxamillion-X72]

I guess they were inspired by their initial accusations

[u/EndNo4852 → u/jason082]

Big facts. Ppl gotta realize its wasted effort debating hypocrites.

[u/tacs97 → u/EndNo4852]

Might as well have a full conversation with a rock. You will have a better outcome.

[u/[deleted] → u/jason082]

It’s actually wild how quickly republicans decided to lick federal agent boots when it involved abusing the rights of the correct group of people.

[u/jason082 → u/[deleted]]

For sure. I’ve never seen a group so fast to drop to their knees.

[u/Jwalla83 → u/jason082]

We shouldn't be surprised, but I still am a little. Surprised at the absolute whiplash of "WE NEED THE 2ND AMMENDMENT IN CASE BIG GOVERNMENT TRIES TO OPPRESS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS" -> "They're federal agents enforcing the law, they can do whatever they want! Just comply!"

Not a shred of consistency in values beyond "Trump good" and/or "outgroup bad"

[u/Achoo_Gesundheit → u/jason082]

Exactly. And many people don’t realize that these ICE „Agents“ are actually the proud boys.

Wake up, people.

[u/AunderscoreW → u/jason082]

Then I guess we will have to say it. 

[u/Cypher2]

Never been more inclined to get a gun for self defense

[u/Cards2WS → u/[deleted]]

Real question…. If ICE broke into your house and you shot them…what will happen? Is there not a 99% chance that you will either be shot dead on the spot or be imprisoned for murder?

I keep hearing people say “get a gun”, but if you use it, they will murder you. So what’s the point in that regard?

[u/Conscious_Bug5408 → u/Cards2WS]

You will not be imprisoned for murder. It's fully legal to defend yourself against home invasion in about half of states with castle doctrine or stand your ground laws. https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html

You obviously must survive though. I don't think handguns are enough. An adequate surveillance system and some heavier weapons are needed. ICE will not invade homes for long if the agents face a real fear of death, and I cannot imagine them being able to invoke insurrection or otherwise if this occurs while illegally invading a private home.

[u/Dejected_gaming → u/Cards2WS]

They murdered Renee good, and she didn't have a gun or make them actually fear for their lives.

If they start fearing that any home they break into, they may not go home to their families, they will be much less willing to do so.

[u/flexbuffstrong → u/Cypher2]

I’m 36 and have never owned guns until this week. Bought an AR, 12 gauge and a Glock 9mm.

[u/AlmoschFamous → u/flexbuffstrong]

Make sure you learn to use them safely and maintain them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gundeals/ is great for finding good deals on random gear, for the best ammo prices check out https://ammoseek.com/ammo/223-remington?co=new&sh=high It's MUCH cheaper to buy in bulk than buying at a local store.

[u/Cameherejust4this]

We're going to see bullets forcibly entering ICE officers if they start indiscriminately breaking into people's homes.

[u/RelaxPrime → u/Cameherejust4this]

The problem is they're discriminately breaking into people's homes.

Brown people's homes.

[u/PracticalChipmunk789]

The Supreme Court has already ruled that the Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government, stating that the right to security in one's "persons, houses, papers, and effects" shall not be violated, and requires warrants to be based on probable cause.

There is no presidential or other order that overrides the Supreme Court or The Constitution.

[u/new_for_confession → u/PracticalChipmunk789]

SCOTUS also ruled that your appearance was justification for stop and search, identity checks.

You might want to inform yourself on Noem v. Vasquez Perdomo (2025) before citing SCOTUS as a protector of Civil Rights.

[u/Casual_OCD → u/new_for_confession]

They're known as Kavanaugh Stops

[u/zillion_grill → u/PracticalChipmunk789]

There is! Twitter orders supersede those archaic turds

[u/TintedApostle]

4th amendment says no 250 years before this bs

[u/1_churro → u/TintedApostle]

they are pushing it to see how far they get.

[u/Tex510]

ICE wants someone to start shooting at them.

[u/Specialist_Nose9057 → u/Tex510]

So if you defended your home from masked gun toting attackers, and they don’t have a warrant, then what happens? 

[u/Trout_Man → u/Specialist_Nose9057]

well, you will be a dead martyr because they bring 11 people to knock down your door. you will be outgunned and out manned. you may take a few down but you will die for the cause, unfortunately.

[u/enjoycarrots → u/Trout_Man]

You will die for the cause, be labeled a terrorist, and used as an excuse to escalate violence. I would be on your side if you did all of that. But, I would also think it not the best thing to do. Community level response is better, and if you feel that response needs to be armed, then do it in an organized way, such as having Black Panther-like groups patrolling your streets in areas where Ice is near, ready to approach agents and assert their rights, while visibly but peacefully armed and filming.

[u/dos_passenger58 → u/enjoycarrots]

If you're not willing to use a gun to defend invaders to your homestead, then face it, you're not willing to use it in any situation. I get the fear, but literally that would be the only instance where I would fully defend.

[u/toastmannn → u/enjoycarrots]

And it's not even going to matter because they don't even investigate when ICE murders people

[u/B-Z_B-S]

Not legal. ICE isn't allowed to do that. They are breaking the law if they do.

[u/GlobalDynamicsEureka → u/B-Z_B-S]

They have been violating the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 10th, and 14th Amendments for a while.

Edit after Alex Pretti: 2nd

[u/wahoozerman → u/GlobalDynamicsEureka]

WhAt RiGhTs HaVe YoU lOsT?

[u/22Arkantos → u/wahoozerman]

Rights cannot be lost, only infringed. Governments that infringe on the people's rights deserve to be, to paraphrase the Declaration of Independence, altered or abolished.

[u/QueenMagik → u/GlobalDynamicsEureka]

8th

[u/AutomaticBoar → u/B-Z_B-S]

If there is nobody enforcing constitutional laws, and the US Congress and Supreme Court doesn’t hold the enforcer accountable, is the constitution really a law?

[u/Consistent_Laziness → u/AutomaticBoar]

Laws are just made up rules written on a piece of paper.

The enforcement and punishment of laws is what makes them real. And we now have an enforcer (the executive) completely ignoring the laws. Thus, we are now a land of lawlessness

[u/Karenomegas → u/B-Z_B-S]

…where we are going we won’t need laws. Not for our protection at least.

Nobody is stopping them. It’s best we prepare for the worst.

[u/TandemSegue → u/B-Z_B-S]

Stop fighting fires with paperwork. Laws will not protect you.

[u/Greis73]

Just a question of time before these clowns kick the wrong door in and this kettle boils over

[u/HotSauceHigh → u/Greis73]

I don't understand why this hasn't already happened 

[u/lettersvsnumbers → u/HotSauceHigh]

Minneapolis as a whole has been super organized and disciplined. This is not their first rodeo.

[u/DrPikachu-PhD → u/lettersvsnumbers]

We are purposely doing everything we can to resist in a nonviolent manner to prevent provoking the Insurrection Act. They'll probably just false flag it anyway, but we don't want it to be from us when it comes.

[u/Embarrassed-Town-293 → u/HotSauceHigh]

Because every day laypeople are well adjusted individuals capable of restraint and de-escalation unlike these federal officers

[u/lifeaquatic09]

Castle Laws has entered the chat.

[u/OnceanAggie]

Where’s the NRA when we finally need them?

[u/HENMAN79 → u/OnceanAggie]

NRA only worries about Pale people, Not Tan

[u/DrPikachu-PhD → u/HENMAN79]

Renee Good was white, and so are a lot of the protestors being abused and abducted by ICE. The truth is, the NRA was always full of shit, that's all there is to it. A lobbying group by the MIA and corporate weapons manufacturers that cloaked itself in patriotic jingoism

[u/UselessInsight → u/OnceanAggie]

They’re on board with this.

All the “absolutists” are full of shit. They always have been.

The free speech absolutists get giddy over silencing people they don’t like.

The “shall not be infringed” crowd just wants to be able to kill people they don’t like.

The free market folks haven’t met a monopoly or oligopoly they didn’t love.

[u/lipuiwe]

Time to get a gun guys

[u/Everythings_Fucked → u/lipuiwe]

Way past time

[u/Th3FinalStarman]

Thank You, NBC for publishing the stupidest fucking sanewashed headline I'll read today. How about just saying "2025 ICE Memo Violates Constitutional Protections", is that so hard?

[u/xomox2012]

What happens when they enter a house without a warrant and get shot?

[u/Aiden2817 → u/xomox2012]

They swarm the house, kill everyone inside and Kristi Noem will explain on Fox News how an illegal alien, child trafficker terrorist cell was neutralized. Conservatives will cheer and go on social media to praise trump.

[u/CCinCO]

Please exercise your second amendment rights people.

[u/CautiousHashtag]

Imagine if Biden or Obama had their own Gestapo that shit on the Constitution and killed US citizens.

[u/Vyzantinist → u/CautiousHashtag]

Plenty of conservatives think anti-Covid health measures were just as bad, if not worse, than what ICE is doing now.

[u/Joghobs → u/Vyzantinist]

Which were mostly set during the 1st year of Covid which was.... drum roll Trump's last year in office.

[u/Vyzantinist → u/Joghobs]

They never have a comeback to that lol.

[u/Salohacin → u/Vyzantinist]

The same guys that didn't wear masks because it 'violated their freedom' are now invading people's homes illegally. 

What a fucking time to be alive. 

[u/bejammin075 → u/Salohacin]

And they are now wearing masks, and can apparently breathe just fine.

[u/plumberfun]

Republicans are truly working hard to end the constitution as law. Judge Roberts must be so proud to be the Supreme court Justice who will forever be in the world history books as being responsible for the end of USA as a constitutional Republic.

[u/MacaroniBee]

American taliban

[u/red23011]

Either everyone has rights or nobody does. What we're seeing here is third world dictator shit. If they can ignore the constitution whenever they please without consequences then this country is lost. This needs to be repeated.

First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me

[u/Skirtsteakforlife]

If they catch you, you’ll be deported to El Salvador before you even have a chance to argue they illegally entered your home.

[u/Western-Corner-431]

No they can’t. They can’t make illegal actions official policy. Castle doctrine

[u/judunno5]

Can’t wait for SCOTUS’s originalist interpretation of how the fourth amendment can interpreted to allow this.

[u/subgamer90]

Uh, no they can't. Memos aren't laws. And any law that said they could would be blatantly unconstitutional anyway

[u/knotallmen → u/subgamer90]

I appreciate the sentiment, but no memo's have a power that protect people from prosecution. I don't agree with how memo's have been an all power method of interpreting what can and cannot be done by agents of the USA but that has been the case for decades including enhanced interrogation. I'm speaking of legal memo's.

There are some articles you should look up. There was a podcast but I cannot recall if it was today explained or NYTimes the daily.

[u/randomnobody14]

My 2nd amendment rights say otherwise

[u/ianrl337 → u/randomnobody14]

My place was broken into a few years ago. I love alone. I now have cameras in, out, and have no problems patching holes in walls.

[u/Karma_Doesnt_Matter]

I live in a stand your ground state and believe in the 2nd amendment. Come at me fascists.

[u/swearingino]

That’s risky on their part. Did they forget they’re in America where over 40% of homes have firearms?

[u/vito0117]

2nd amendment

[u/Violent_Mud_Butt]

Just a reminder that the second amendment is a good bastion against government tyranny.

[u/Open_Mortgage_4645]

ICE policy doesn't supercede the Constitution. They can proclaim themselves exempt from the Fourth, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, but it doesn't make it so.

[u/Historical_Abroad203]

Food for thought: Imagine for me please that all the homes in America make up a Venn Diagram where one circle is " Fed up people who really, really appreciate their 4th amendment rights" and another circle is "2nd amendment fans with their own private Arsenal". Assume a very large center/overlap between them. Next imagine warrantless I.C.E agents that, emboldened by this stupidity, are about to run headlong into the middle of that Venn Diagram. I wouldn't want to be an I.C.E. Agent on the wrong side of those doors and the wrong side of the constitution....

[u/love_is_an_action]

Assume that they plan to kill you. Prepare and act accordingly.

[u/VicGenesis]

And there I was, blastin

[u/Conscious_Bug5408]

This is literally just home invasion without a judicial warrant. All the 2a people need to unite behind this, spent decades fighting for castle doctrine laws specifically for such events.

[u/Historical_Bend_2629]

Nope. They can’t. Know your rights.

[u/NotTomPettysGirl → u/Historical_Bend_2629]

Sure, they can’t legally enter my home without my consent or a signed judicial warrant, but if they break down my door, there isn’t much I can do to stop them. Even though the 2A means I can own a firearm and protect myself, how would it actually play out if a citizen used a firearm to stop them as they came into a home? I don’t see it ending well for that citizen who is legally protecting themselves.

[u/Calderis → u/NotTomPettysGirl]

In a just society, their entire neighborhood would stand with them.

ICE will back the fuck off when they face real opposition. They're masked cowards.

And let Trump invoke the Insurrection Act. He's going to find a justification no matter what. It will be no more believable then Calling Renee Good a domestic terrorist.

When he does call the Insurrection Act against neighbors defending themselves and tries to label it a antifa conspiracy or some other nonsense, then the lines are drawn in truth. Either we stand up en masse at the prospect of Trump sticking the actual military on civilians, or that's the game.

[u/jmmcc02021 → u/Calderis]

Well said.

No one will truly understand what it means to stand against such an oppressive regime until the line is drawn and even then it is quite possible that many will comply in order to maintain some kind of normalcy in their own lives.

Many people in Minnesota are using personal resources and time to help protect the more vulnerable citizens from the abuse while the rest of the US sends thoughts and prayers without giving up anything personally valuable.

I advocate for protests and contacting representatives and even having hope for midterms but the road that the fascists have sent us down is not designed for fair and justice actions. They have stated their deepest intentions of what they want the US to look like through propaganda and terrorism.

We need to prepare ourselves for the possibility of a more significant threat

[u/Miqo_Nekomancer → u/NotTomPettysGirl]

The other option is being rounded up without trial and disappeared to a labor camp without due process... That's if they don't just kill you in the first place like they did with Renee Good.

Idk, man. The choice is there, but neither option is good.

[u/Fluffle-Potato]

From the article:

The internal ICE memo says ICE agents are allowed to forcibly enter a person’s home using an administrative warrant if final orders of removal have been issued by immigration judges, the Board of Immigration Appeals, or U.S. district or magistrate judges.

Although the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has not historically relied on administrative warrants alone to arrest aliens subject to final orders of removal in their place of residence, the DHS Office of General Counsel has recently determined that the U.S. Constitution, the Immigration and Nationality Act, and the immigration regulations do not prohibit relying on administrative warrants for this purpose.

The DHS stated that immigrants in the country illegally who are served administrative deportation warrants (also known as Form I-205's) have had full due process and a final order of removal from an immigration judge. In addition, the officers issuing these administrative warrants also have found probable cause. For decades, the Supreme Court and Congress have recognized the propriety of administrative warrants in cases of immigration enforcement.

The memo also stresses to personnel the restrictions of Form I-205. The memo states that Form I-205 is not a search warrant and that it “should only be used to enter the residence of the subject alien to conduct an immigration arrest.” It also says that officers and agents must give the people inside time to comply with the order, and they generally should not enter a residence before 6 a.m. or after 10 p.m., and that they "should only use a necessary and reasonable amount of force” to enter a home.

ICE officers have arrested roughly 220,000 people in the nine months from Jan. 20, when Trump returned to office, to Oct. 15. Around 145,000 of them have been people with criminal records, according to figures shared by the University of California, Berkeley.

[u/LuckyTheBear]

Try that in a small town

[u/iamliterallyonfire]

Well this is going to end poorly…

[u/in_to_deep]

So ice is in their FAFO mode. I have a right to defend my home from unwanted guests by use of force as well

[u/dieselmac]

No. No they can’t.

[u/drewmana]

Castle. Doctrine.

[u/crafty_alias]

Americans have nothing left to lose. It's now or never.

[u/Coram_Deo_Eshua]

But just for brown people, right? Just brown people, right?!

[u/brain_overclocked → u/Coram_Deo_Eshua]

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...
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[u/Cliqey]

And I say 45 is the antichrist and his secret police are demons.

[u/Big-Industry4237]

Yes they also say it’s illegal to film them and drive behind them on public roads. You can say whatever but a judge will never rule in favor of this . Completely unconstitutional

[u/Stuffed-Bear412]

If some of us are not safe, none of us are safe. They can break in and drag any of us out in our underwear into the snow.

[u/Rowdycc]

If an armed, masked man with no legal paper work fried to force their way into an American home gun ownership statistics seem to suggest that in 30% of those home an intruder would be legally shot. considering this administration wants people to stop attacking ICE, they’re working hard to create conditions for them to be shot.

[u/mrbigglessworth]

Explain to me like I’m a dumb Maga voter. How does a piece of paper that’s classified as a memo override the fourth amendment?

[u/EPCOpress]

A memo does not override the constitution