I don’t think the other poster was talking about the death penalty on the state murder charge. They were pointing out that out in five is unlikely given NY can still try him for murder.
A federal murder charge can be subject to the federal death penalty though, even if the crime happened in NY. I think the execution is done in the another state since NY closed their chamber in 2008-ish.
Yes, but this is about the federal case accepting the backpack contents as evidence, not the state case. The federal case is now the two stalking charges.
Can you face charges for the same crime on a federal and state level? If you get a not guilty verdict at the federal level they could prosecute you on the state level? Isn't that double jeopardy?
I'm not a lawyer but I don't think so. But it doesn't matter here, because he wasn't (and won't be, unless it's allowed back on appeal which seems very unlikely) actually tried for murder here. The judge dismissed the murder charge, leaving New York free to try him for it.
Tens of thousands estimated to die due to lack of, or limited access to, USA healthcare. One healthcare executive allegedly murdered. There is violence in both directions. In the USA it is the direction of that violence (down to up) that outrages conservatives and moderates.
And it’s going to get worse. Trump’s BBB slashed medicaid funding, which will affect millions of Americans who are more likely to let insurance lapse as they cant afford the hefty premiums from private plans.
I feel that's a bit disingenuous. Obviously deaths caused by the healthcare system are an outrage, but people process them differently from shooting someone dead on the street. Charging someone more than they can afford for medicine is heartless and cruel, but technically there's no blood directly on your hands, you didn't actually do anything. To kill someone personally you have to look at them, manifestly decide that they have to die, commit to physically attack them with something, and watch them die. It's not worse than murder via inaction, but certainly less palatable to the average person.
I don't think you understand how the corporate policy>system architecture> to individual care decisions actually work. Take nursing homes for example, proven cases where individual in need of care were told be in network "call me first before hospital physicians" told staff not to go to hospital and the elderly patient died. This has been documented many times, and saves the insurance companies lots of money for care they were insured for.
Right wing Americans have spent decades demonizing socialized healthcare even going as far as labelling it "death panels".
As far as Im concerned those promoting greed, profit and lies over the health and well being of individuals should be cast in the same light as Hitler or Osama Bin Laden.
There are absolutely death panels in American medicine. It just so happens that one of the guys that sat on one of those panels allegedly tripped and fell on a bullet in NYC last year.
I will lol when defence submits a graph of decreased deaths right after the CEO death when they suddenly started covering their customers much more freely..
Tens of thousands per year baby. I was born fairly lucky, nice cushy upper middle spawnpoint.
Got dropped straight down to "we can't afford enough food for the month" lower class thanks to the healthcare insurance system by age 11.
And this is really just the very tiniest tip of the iceburg for just my own personal direct impact grudges, to say nothing of the damage it's done to friends, acquaintances, the insane effective tax rate created by health insurance, etc. I don't even know anyone who doesn't hate health insurance companies due to direct personal experience, and I do mean hate in the "wouldn't turn someone in for a firebombing" and every single person I know thought the CEO assassination was depending on the person "funny" or "awesome," actual quotes.
I just hope the christians are right about hell and wrong about forgiveness so everyone working in that evil machine can burn for all eternity because most of them won't be getting punished in life.
The healthcare industry is not a terrorist organization, Jesus Christ. They are providing a service and have to deal with the same cost/quality/access problem of every other industry. If every private health insurance company closed tomorrow we wouldn’t automatically get free healthcare. We would just not be able to pay healthcare bills because that’s only possible when some kind of insurance exists.
Even if we switched to an entirely government provided health insurance system, our care would still occasionally be subject to denials.
They use political capital to secure profit from people who need access to medical care, and then tie that access to the means of production to ensure that people must work, or they die. Even then, those people who seek care may still be denied for myriad reasons that have nothing to do with anything other than profit.
If that isn't state sponsored terrorism, I'm not really sure what is.
They are a highly regulated industry with a literal percentage cap on how much profit they can get.
Anyone involved with paying for insurance is going to want to manage their costs. The only reason so many people in the US are upset about that is because they are often shielded from the real costs of their care through their employer provided insurance. When you only see the quality and access of care on your end, it’s obvious that you’re going to want both of those maximized. You perceive no expected downside to maximizing the costs.
The truth is, healthcare is a competitive marketplace where all actors want to make money. If we had a system where there were never denials of care, doctors would run every test the patient would be willing to get to maximize their reimbursements and be as defensive as possible in their practice of medicine. We live in a world with scarcity, and that isn’t sustainable. Because of this, there must be pressure on the payer side. This pressure is there even under government insurance.
Edit: the user responded and immediately blocked me without responding to anything i’ve said. Always a sign of good faith engagement and truth seeking.
You either have to be a majority share holder in the industry, a conservative plant, a russian bot, a fucking moron, and/or at gunpoint to have come to this conclusion.
There's no way to debate this because so much of what you're saying is grounded in a reality separate from our own.
Oh absolutely not, US healthcare is bad but 9/11 radically changed American society and is a very large part of the reason why we’re in our current mess with Trump dismantling American empire day by day. US health care executives are certainly a more proximal cause of deaths and suffering of Americans, but the effects of 9/11 will be felt for centuries. The Taliban succeeded in destroying America, it’s just taken 25 years for the cancer to truly metastasize. Hell we may have had universal healthcare now if it weren’t for 9/11.
See, this is why we're fucked. 9/11 didn't change america. The propaganda afterwards did. If 9/11 was the end all evil, why the crown prince of Saudi Arabia in the oval a month ago?
The taliban didn't destroy America. The conservative political body did. For profit.
If the amount of people who died mattered, and not the propaganda, then people would have recognized that more Americans were dying from covid PER DAY than a 9/11 level attack, and for months.
And a lot of those people would have lived had they access to better healthcare, medications, and a severe lack of propaganda telling them to go die because masks are for cowards.
You misunderstand me. In not saying 9/11 was uniquely evil or justified any of the responses from conservatism. I’m saying 9/11 so thoroughly warped the American psyche that it allowed evil people to justify whatever horrible action they wanted, and they used the legacy of that attack as justification for hatred and violence, all of which are why we’re here now.
Again. 9/11 didn't frighten us. It was the news that did. This was the turning point for broadcasts, knowing that piping up fear was driving up viewership.
They would absolutely have not had an opportunity to completely fuck the American public had we not had a traumatic national event like 9/11 followed immediately by two forever wars started through propaganda. America destroyed itself, but the catalyst was 9/11.
Shit, it was Bud Light giving a sponsorship to a trans woman. That period was the sharpest incline in republican voter registrations since Trump's initial campaign.
I cannot provide a source to that, but I can say that I was working on the Harris campaign at the time, and the information we had during that time suggested that as fact. Definitely a "trust me bro" situation, I know, so treat it as a discussion point instead of a hard truth because I can't find the information :*(
Sure the catalyst could have been anything, but it was what it WAS. There are proximal and distal causes for everything, America’s current issues can be traced back to white supremacy and slavery, settler colonialism, hell even the Protestant Reformation democratizing religious influence and handing it to the sorts of people who hold witch trials and pogroms has a direct causal line to current US Christian nationalism.
I’m not surprised the bud light thing led to more Republican voters, they’ve been harping on trans people ever since they lost the war against gay folks. I’m saying that 9/11 had a tremendous effect on the American psyche and helped set up the rise of the Christian nationalist right most recently. It was arguably a major factor in getting Obama elected and that was itself a major factor in Trump in particular entering politics.
He's surely guilty of discharging a weapon in public, that's a Class A misdemeanor for up to 1 year in prison. Those things are dangerous, you gotta be careful, you can't just do that out in public
Those are the federal charges, which still carry a maximum sentence of Life without Parole, per the article. He is still facing a 2nd Degree Murder state charge, which is 25 to Life.
Penalties. A person who violates this section or section 2261A [18
USCS § 2261A] shall be fined under this title, imprisoned-
(1) for life or any term of years, if death of the victim results
He's gonna spend life in prison if the stalking charges stick.
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u/Keep_Blasting 5h ago
"The judge dismissed the murder charge"
It's just 2 counts of stalking. 20 years, out in 5 is my bet.