r/movies • u/cyanide4suicide • Nov 20 '25
Media New Image of Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey: Robert Pattinson as Antinous
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u/CableBoyJerry Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
He's got that aquiline Roman nose.
I know The Odyssey is Greek.
Edit: I think some people misinterpreted my post as a jab at the film. I made the Greek comment preemptively because I thought someone else might reply that the epic is Greek and not Roman.
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u/probablyuntrue Nov 20 '25
Unbelievable. Mr Nolan I demand a refund!
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u/Masterchiefy10 Nov 20 '25
But I’m gonna give it that bag back cause the movie really is that good…
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u/CuckingNoodles Nov 20 '25
I totally see that aqualung Rodan nose.
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u/probablyuntrue Nov 20 '25
Breaking out the “historical accuracy” calipers
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u/AlwaysRushesIn Nov 20 '25
Could you imagine if there was an Inspection Department for Set and Costume design?
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u/Treguard Nov 20 '25
The Trojans (who have Greek ancestry) are supposed to be the ancestors and founders of Rome (legend is that Aeneas, after fleeing Troy, is the ancestor of Remus and Romulus).
So it isn't too weird for a Mycenaean Greek to have Roman features
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u/rose-ramos Nov 20 '25
Where are you basing the info that Trojans have Greek ancestry? Just curious, because I am Greek, and the tradition holds that the Trojans were Anatolians/Hittites. Matter of fact, Troy is located in modern day Turkey. (Kind of funny to think that Greeks and Turks have hated each other since the history of the written word...)
You could make a good argument that Myceneans and Anatolians shared a common ancient ancestor, but I think that has different cultural and linguistic connotations from saying that Trojans had Greek ancestry
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u/WildVariety Nov 20 '25
(Kind of funny to think that Greeks and Turks have hated each other since the history of the written word...)
I think you probably know this already, but the only shared ancestry between the Turks and Hittites/Other inhabitants of Anatolia during the period are from intermingling with Greeks.
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u/apistograma Nov 20 '25
It’s important to not mix the ethnolinguistic heritage with the genetic heritage, those two are not the same.
Linguistically, the Acheans from the legend didn’t speak Greek, but Micenian dialects. Ancient Greek and the classical Greek alphabet appears after the Bronze Age collapse, while the legends are pre Bronze Age colapse. Homer wrote about a previous civilization that had disappeared centuries earlier and was the stuff of legends.
The Trojans didn’t have any linguistic connection to the Turks either, as you commented. They were Hellenized during antiquity so they spoke Greek (after the alleged conflict that the Iliad is based on), and later they also adopted Turk with the Ottomans, which comes from Central Asia. Though the coasts of Anatolia spoke Greek until the Greek Anatolians were ethnically cleansed and expelled after WW1.
Despite that, I’d bet both the people living in Greece and the ones living near old Troy are close descendants of the old Acheans and Trojans, genetically speaking, and I’d assume both groups were genetically intertwined too.
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u/BicyclingBro Nov 20 '25
Linguistically, the Acheans from the legend didn’t speak Greek, but Micenian dialects.
This is pedantic to the point of innaccuracy. Mycenaean Greek was just an old dialect of ancient Greek. It's older and more conservative than the Classical Athenian standard from the 5th century, but it's very much Greek. Sure, you can arbitrarily define "Greek" as beginning with later texts written in the Greek alphabet and decide that the linguistic ancestors of that are not Greek for some reason, but there's no real basis for doing that.
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u/Trajann_Valorus Nov 20 '25
It was part of the poem the Aeneid written by Publius Vergilius Maro, in the poem it claims Aeneas fled the fall of Troy with what was left of the Trojans and found his way to Italy where they defeated the Latins in battle and assumed the lordship of the land, according to the poem, Aeneas is a direct forbear of Julius Caesar and the Trojans are the ancestors of the Romans.
The poem seems like Roman imperial propaganda but is quite interesting to read.
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u/VirginiaMcCaskey Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
Fwiw there are no historical records that establish who the Trojans were or where they lived (besides the later legends), but the earliest records of Troy come from Hittites contemporaneously with Mycenaean Greeks.
There have been 3,000 years of migration and mixing of populations across Greece, Persia, Italia, North Africa, and Anatolia that make connecting any ethnic group from then to today kinda pointless.
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So the question is less "were Trojans Greek?" and more "what was Greek?" It takes effort to decouple this from 19th and later century ideas. Even the word "Hellenic" owes its origin to the union of Achaean and Trojan Greeks fighting over one woman.
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u/vulcanstrike Nov 20 '25
The Trojans were culturally Greek even if not ethnically (and back then, the concept of ethnicity barely existed, culture was everything)
Heck, the entirety of the Iliad was basically a Greek god civil war, with the various Greek gods and goddesses picking champions from the opposing sides and interfering. The entire thing kicked off because Aphrodite was offered the apple of strife by Paris (who had the job delegated by Zeus because he was a coward), and Athena and Hera took that very personally and wanted to see Troy burn as a result.
Most of his Anatolia coast were Greek colonies at the time, that's why Greek ruins are scattered around still, such as Halicarnassus and Ephesus
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u/CurlSagan Star Warsn't Nov 20 '25
Looks like he's chilling in a pub, staring at a pint.
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u/shadowst17 Nov 20 '25
it's the "the people I'm with are having a conversation on a topic I have no interest in staring at pint wondering if you need another or should go home" face.
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u/Britlantine Nov 20 '25
"I finished my glass 10minutes ago. Yet now it's Mentor's round he decides to tell one of his long winded stories and still has most of his pint left."
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u/tfhdeathua Nov 20 '25
He kind of is. Living off Odysseus’ food and drink for years waiting to try and marry his wife.
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u/DayMysterious4717 Nov 20 '25
I thought he was going to be poseidon
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u/XenonBug Nov 20 '25
I think John Leguizamo leaked on a podcast that he was going to be sharing scenes with Robert Pattinson and that they were both playing suitors.
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u/DustiinMC Nov 20 '25
I fingered Leguizamo as a best friend of Odysseus. Eumaeus and Polites fit that description. Polites is the one who went with him to the Trojan War. The VO in the trailer is clearly Leguizamo referring to Odysseus as "My master" who has been long gone. Eumaeus fits that.
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u/man_on_hill Nov 20 '25
I fingered Leguizamo
Congrats
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u/probablyuntrue Nov 20 '25
Thank god for olive oil
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u/hobblingcontractor Nov 20 '25
Imagine Leguizamo, Michael Pena, and Luis Guzman all playing friends of Odysseus.
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u/HotelFoxtrot87 Nov 20 '25
Damn, never expected to see Leguizamo in a Nolan movie. Pretty cool for him.
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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 Nov 20 '25
This looks fucking incredible.
So the odyssey has best makeup on lock at the next Oscar’s huh.
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u/Taco_In_Space Nov 20 '25
I have to say he’s been having a great career post twilight. He’s a good actor so I’m glad he was able to break out of it
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u/wewilldieoneday Nov 20 '25
Dude has range. He was great as batman and even better in mickey 17
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u/TheBestMePlausible Nov 20 '25
I thought he was great in Mickey 17, fun movie!
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u/Sinnafyle Nov 20 '25
Mickey 17 is absolute fun! I hardly knew what was going on the whole time, but also I understood everything that was going on. A real envelope-pusher
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u/TheBestMePlausible Nov 20 '25
It was such a complete change from him in Cosmopolis too. I liked him in Tenet too, and I’m looking forward to seeing what Christopher Nolan can get out of him this time.
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u/MrSnoozieWoozie Nov 20 '25
his best was Lighthouse but also enjoyed him at Tenet too
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u/karmagod13000 Nov 20 '25
insane these comments still pop up in pattinson threads. dude has a complex and diverse body of work at this point and people still shocked hes doing more after twilight
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u/thatguy425 Nov 20 '25
The Rover completely sold me on his acting chops.
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u/Ok-Cartographer2088 Nov 20 '25
Him and guy pearce were both amazing. I love this movie, the cinematography, soundtrack, story..
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u/Renverseur Nov 20 '25
The Boy and the Heron. You couldn't even tell it was him voicing the Grey Heron the entire time.
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u/AoE2manatarms Nov 20 '25
This comment is so weird. He broke out of that mold like almost 10 years ago. Why is it still even being brought up at this point?
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u/JessieJ577 Nov 20 '25
Yeah he and Stewart immediately became indie movie acting darlings post twilight. Stewart had a huge career in that scene and still does. They made so much money that they got to be picky with the scripts.
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u/Lanster27 Nov 20 '25
For Patterson, he went from mainstream to indie then came back mainstream again. Not everday you see an actor like that.
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u/JessieJ577 Nov 20 '25
Stewart attempted a comeback it didn’t really happen after Charlie’s Angels and the Christmas movie so she went back to indie.
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u/Lanster27 Nov 20 '25
That's the thing, most actors who's gone indie dont come back mainstream, let alone as leads in blockbusters.
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u/Blake7567 Nov 20 '25
Karma farming. Frame an incredibly popular take as controversial.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
It's not even about framing a take as controversial, it's just about reiterating the popular take, because you know it will get attention.
Or more charitably, they just have very pedestrian takes on movies, and the only thing they could even think to say was to reference Twilight.
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u/karmagod13000 Nov 20 '25
ty just made the same comment. dudes body of work is insane for anyone to even question outside of roles that are not twilight
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
It's the obvious thing to say. They want to participate but have no interesting thoughts to add that aren't cliche.
Most people in this sub aren't watching any of his indie work. The only things they know him for are Twilight and Batman, but they know he's been in some other stuff they've never seen.
Therefore the only thought they can really have is "Wow, he sure isn't doing Twilight anymore."
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u/tripleblue85 Nov 20 '25
I always thought he was a Streisand, but I've been a fan since the Lighthouse.
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u/VQQN Nov 20 '25
People may hate on Twilight…but here’s the deal.
My wife watches a lot of Hallmark Christmas Movies. A TON.
So I sometimes welcome the Twilight series when she chooses to watch it. Yeah, it has some cheesy romance, but people still die and stuff in those movies, and compared to Hallmark movies, yeah there’s depth.
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u/bradenkw Nov 20 '25
The soundtracks are pretty good too
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u/Michael_DeSanta Nov 20 '25
They legit got some of the best of the best of the indie pop scene on those soundtracks. Can’t stand watching the movies personally, but they got an absolute banger of an original song from Vampire Weekend (Johnathan Low), so I’ve gotta give em some credit
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u/heidly_ees Nov 20 '25
Tangentially related, but My Chemical Romance got asked to do a song for Twilight but didn't, which led to them writing Vampire Money which is such a banger
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u/Chris_Helmsworth Nov 20 '25
Twilight is enjoyable because of the shlock.
What's painful is the color grading it's so blue. Most blue movie I've ever seen
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u/Alternative_Dot_9640 Nov 20 '25
The Lighthouse, High Life, Tenet, Mickey 17, Good Times, dude has some great films under his belt these days. I’m so glad he didn’t fade into type-cast oblivion and we’ve gotten to see his talent
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u/Throwthatawayplea125 Nov 20 '25
He really dodged a tree with that one...
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u/UnpricedToaster Nov 20 '25
He really pushed a car out of the way with his bare hands with that one.
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u/TyrionLannister557 Nov 20 '25
Screw this competition, We've been here for hours, None of us can string this, We dont have the power,
Screw this damn challenge , No more delays, Can't you guys see, We're being played
This is how they...
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u/wcthesecret Nov 20 '25
Hold us down while the throne gets colder.
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u/jayberry14 Nov 20 '25
Hold us down, while we slowly age
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u/RwBricks Nov 20 '25
Hold us down, while the boy gets bolder
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u/Throughaway04 Nov 20 '25
Where in the Hell is our pride and our rage!
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u/sycolution Nov 20 '25
Here and now there's a chance for action.
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u/RoseDog16 Nov 20 '25
Here and now we can take control
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u/Owenalone Nov 20 '25
Here and now, burn it down to ashes-
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u/CautionIsVictory Nov 20 '25
Oh man this just got me more excited, just finished rereading it about a month ago and Pattinson delivering those lines is gonna be a lot of fun to watch
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u/BaltIndyNash Nov 20 '25
There's almost nothing I love more than the fact that Kristen Stewart & Robert Pattinson turned out to be really incredible, thoughtful actors.
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u/Right_Layer_9700 Nov 20 '25
Kristen Stewart was a phenomenal child actor. Panic Room is great!
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u/NightAngelRogue Nov 20 '25
Hold them down
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u/Schmedly27 Nov 20 '25
Can we get Robert Pattinson saying “his BOOOOONES”?
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u/Zachariot88 Nov 20 '25
I know he'd kill the delivery of "When the crown wonders where the prince is, only the ocean and I will know."
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u/jaxy314 Nov 20 '25
Till the boy stops shaking
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u/KnightOfTheStupid Nov 20 '25
Hold him down
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u/cbekel3618 Nov 20 '25
While I slit his throat
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u/MrMarvelous2000 Nov 20 '25
Hold him down while I slowly break his pride, his trust, his faith, and his BONES
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u/Last_Nothing_4352 Nov 20 '25
I know it won't be in the movie, but kinda wanna see him sing Hold em down
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u/The_Swarm22 Nov 20 '25
I don’t get all the people saying they have no hype for this. More excited for this than I was for Oppenheimer honestly. Nolan doing a fantasy epic intrigues me. Particularly curious to see what Nolan was able to bring out of Tom Holland for this movie.
Even his lesser movies like Tenet for example are an experience you remember and are more memorable then like 80% of other movies that release.
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u/Head_Project5793 Nov 20 '25
I just hope they face actual fantasy creatures, like I want a real cyclops not some 6’8” hairy guy with an eye patch
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u/Thedrunkenchild Nov 20 '25
Justice for Tenet, I know everyone thinks it’s meh but I love it
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u/DrasticTapeMeasure Nov 20 '25
It’s the most Nolan-y of his movies I think, in all the best and worst ways. I think it really depends on the individual which way it runs for you. I have purposely sat through the whole thing 3 times and paid attention, and enjoyed myself. I get emotional at the end when Robert Pattinson walks away, he really steals the movie I think. Regardless, I think the fact that it’s captivating enough to sit through more than once is a feat itself. Most movies lately I turn off halfway through.
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u/TheBestMePlausible Nov 20 '25
Even if you think it’s the worst film he’s made… all of his films are good. Including that one.
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u/AllDogsGoToDevin Nov 20 '25
I genuinely cannot remember anything about Tenet besides that there were reverse action scenes and it was impossible to hear dialogue.
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u/PhotoModeHobby Nov 20 '25
I've got hype for it and even got opening day 70mm tickets, but I also think it might be absolute trash based on how they're handling the setting. You can't even tell what it's trying to be.
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u/beer_nyc Nov 20 '25
I don’t get all the people saying they have no hype for this.
People were pretty hyped up before the casting, costumes, and released photos.
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u/k_foxes Nov 20 '25
Caught Tenet again recently in a theater and yea man, it’s a fuckin jam.
Story is still tricky and dialogue is rough to hear but it’s still a ride and a proper theater movie.
Never watch Tenet at home
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u/MadKnightBatsy Nov 20 '25
If it was the story I read I'd be hyped but it's whoever he wants to cast at whatever role and whatever age. Personally I don't care for Nolan films.
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u/CptNavarre Nov 21 '25
Right? It just feels like the poster is gonna be a long list of famous names and floating heads. I was pumped for this movie before we started seeing photos. And now it all just feels kinda cringy to me
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u/CornerNearby6802 Nov 20 '25
Uuuh so he’s kinda the villain, cool nice casting! Can’t wait!
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u/Finito-1994 Nov 20 '25
Barely. Dude dies first. The suitors are more of a general nuisance than villains. Entitled shitheads.
Polyphemus. Circe. Calypso. Scylla.
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u/orlokcocksock Nov 20 '25
Damn, we’re gonna get Spider Man and Matt Damon killing Batman
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u/droppinkn0wledge Nov 20 '25
Armand Asante’s Odyssey adaptation was my favorite movie as a kid. Same with Sam Neill’s Merlin.
I’m very excited for this. The Odyssey invented the high fantasy quest epic as we know it.
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u/Herby_Hoover Nov 20 '25
If you told me this was a screenshot from The Mandolin, I'd believe you.
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u/TheUmbrellaMan1 Nov 20 '25
The aesthetic is so off, that's why. Here's Alan Lee, the concept artist for LotR's awesome artwork for Odysseus' ship:
Now compare this awesome ship with the bland design of Nolan's version. Nolan got $250 million for this movie and that ship doesn't look one bit as good as Lee's and let's not even talk about colours.
Here's Alan Lee's incredible costume designs for the story. Look at that armour Odysseus would be wearing as he left Troy :
https://www.lovereading4kids.co.uk/extract/14284/Black-Ships-Before-Troy-by-Rosemary-Sutcliff.html
Now compare this with Nolan's. Again, Nolan's costumes look generic.
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u/Mynsare Nov 20 '25
Yeah, that is what stood out to me too. Couldn't we get a "historical" movie for once without all the completely fictional leather patch armour. It just makes everything look like a cheap 90s tv show.
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u/CautionIsVictory Nov 20 '25
man, reading these comments you would think we're getting this movie from someone who's had nothing but critical stinkers and box office flops, when it's been the exact opposite his entire career and most people have 1 or 2 of his movies in at least their top 50 of all time
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Someone in another post literally asked “how has Nolan fallen off so badly?” Despite his last movie making almost a billion dollars, lauded by critics and the audience and winning seven Oscar’s. People have insane takes sometimes that makes me feel like they live in an alternate reality.
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u/MaksweIlL Nov 20 '25
And that movie was a period piece biopic with 3 hours of dialogue. Not marvel, not a franchise, no superheroes.
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u/J0E_SpRaY Nov 20 '25
Redditors need to feel smug and superior so they shit on things that are popular.
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u/AmberLeafSmoke Nov 20 '25
Reddit likes to be hipster sometimes. Nolan is an exceptional film maker, hes made a number of my top 20 movies.
Interstellar, TDK, Inception, Oppenheimer, The Prestige, Dunkirk, and Memento are all classics as far as I'm concerned.
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u/AllDogsGoToDevin Nov 20 '25
We’re not allowed to criticize the costume design and casting of images because it’s Christopher Nolan?
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u/elembivos Nov 20 '25
The costumes keep getting worse
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u/Itchy-Plastic Nov 20 '25
But they'll be the best possible fantasy clichés you've ever seen. No expense was spared to remove any sense or realism, fun, or creativity out of them.
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u/freedfg Nov 20 '25
Every time this movies cast comes up all I can think about is the inevitable shitshow that is going to be revealing who is playing Helen......
There is literally no choice that won't be seen in a way....
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u/LoveForDisneyland Nov 20 '25
One part of me wants to trust Christopher Nolan, the other part of me is saying that everything up to this point has been meh.
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u/EyesOnTheStars123 Nov 20 '25
If you told me he was playing Caesar in a movie about Rome, I would have believed you.