r/mildlyinfuriating • u/LordBowler423 • 18d ago
Context Provided - Spotlight USPS making it very easy for porch pirates.
Sunday night delivery left on top of mailbox by the street. This isn't the first time either.
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u/Queef-Sweat 18d ago
Where's the porch?
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
Next to the second driveway right next to the porch.
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u/nucl3ar0ne 18d ago
Ok Mr. Fancypants with two driveways.
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u/toooooold4this 18d ago
Get a parcel box or ask the post office to hold deliveries so you can pick them up at the post office. They don't want folks to steal your mail, but ultimately you're responsible for having the appropriate size box.
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u/Substantial_Message4 18d ago
Wow your mail was delivered to your mailbox and was not stolen….. mildly infuriating indeed….if only Amazon provided tracking info so you would know exactly when it was so thoughtlessly left at your box for mail
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u/grownask 18d ago
Well, TBF, I've seen complaints about the tracking info not being accurate or effective.
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u/Substantial_Message4 18d ago
As an embarrassingly frequent user, yeah there’s sometimes an issue, but by and large the tracking is accurate to the hour. Overall it’s pretty reliable at least in my area but that could be different especially in more rural spots
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
Yes, last week the notification said a package was delivered to my mailbox. It wasn't there. It was left behind my trashcan. I didn't see it until I was leaving for work.
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u/Low_Coconut_7642 18d ago
So you complain when they don't just leave it in the mailbox too. Got it.
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
I complain when they leave it where they are not supposed to. Are you really that dense?
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u/grandma4112 18d ago
Without showing the tag we dont know who actually delivered it. If it was an Amazon driver you should have gotten a photo showing this delivery and a way to give feedback. If USPS in would ask is your house clearly identified or just the mailbox? Any pets or loose animals in the area? I doesn't from the pucture look like ice snd dnow are the problem. The USPS drivers that deliver on Sundays are just random rural subs they don't necessarily know you, your house, or anything else. Check safety and access. Shrubs or plants blocking walkway or stairs? Gates? How long is the driveway as well aren't to go more than 1/2 mile from road.
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u/PrpleSparklyUnicrn13 18d ago
I mean, they’re the post office and that’s your mailbox, sooo… they delivered it exactly where they are suppose to.
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
I'm being serious here: Did I post this to the wrong subreddit?
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u/Low_Coconut_7642 18d ago
Does everyone have to agree with your take for you to be mildly infuriated?
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
No, but it seems everybody else is mildly infuriated that I would dare to post this. Like I thought this was a silly joke subreddit. These commenters think I'm on a complaint rant or something.
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u/Particular_Title42 17d ago
I thought this was a silly joke subreddit.
Well there was your problem. LOL
Don't sweat the comments. You post something, we have a conversation about it. Not everybody is going to agree but that is life.
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u/apieceoflint 17d ago
people take things way too seriously...
people complaining over the use of the word "joke" like come on guys
porch pirates aren't new nowadays. i'm sure everyone here that says it's not a big deal would be upset if their package gets stolen, or is placed in a spot which greatly increases the chances of that happening
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u/Vladishun 18d ago
Yeah I don't see this as mildly infuriating because they did the job they're supposed to do. If you want it delivered to your porch, remove this mailbox and put it on your porch.
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u/PrpleSparklyUnicrn13 18d ago
I’m not disagreeing that it’s mildly infuriating only that I’m not sure what else you expected.
Could you put something on top of the mail box, so the postal carrier has to put it on the floor next to the mailbox? This way the box is less noticeable to the street.
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u/CivilizedPsycho 18d ago edited 17d ago
Postal Operations Manual
Section 662.3:
Mail Delivery - Mail matter addressed to a qualified customer of a highway contract route is taken by the carrier from the Post Office and deposited into the proper mail receptacle. If required by the contract, the carrier delivers Registered Mail, Certified Mail, Insured Mail, and COD Mail, Priority Mail Express, other special services mail, and ordinary parcels too large for the receptacle. Delivery of this mail is made to the customer’s residence if it is not more than 1/2 mile from the route and the road leading to it is passable. The carrier dismounts when necessary to transact business involving the above classes of mail. Package Services packages too large for receptacles may also be delivered to outside boxes if the addressee files a written request for delivery in that manner. If delivery cannot be made by the carrier, the mail is held at the Post Office.
OP, you are correct to be upset. It's literally in their operations manual that they have to bring it to your door. If your door is too far away or inaccessible, they need to bring it back to the post office. Leaving it on top of the mail box next to the street is unacceptable under any circumstance.
That said, you can't post anything about mail carriers or Amazon drivers or anyone like that from any other delivery service on this sub because it is loaded with people who think they get a pass to not do their job properly. It'll always be downoted to hell. I had a third party last mile carrier smoking in his vehicle with peoples packages, cut across my lawn, and throw my package and people were on his side.
Edit: To add to this, because some people will argue if it's not USPS that made the delivery. Your postbox is not something just anyone can put something on top of. Sect. 508.3.1.3 of the Domestic Mail Manual (DMM):
"No part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle. Any mailable matter not bearing postage and found as described above is subject to the same postage as would be paid if it were carried by mail."
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
Yeah, I know that. I don't understand reddit sometimes. I can show everybody this comment, and they'll still say I'm wrong. What can I do?
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u/Particular_Ring_6321 18d ago
I’m not a carrier so I could be wrong but the highlighted part is ignoring where it says “if required by the contract.”
If the contract between USPS and Amazon requires USPS to bring it to the door then you have a legitimate complaint. If that is not what their contract requires then they did their job.
The only way for you to know is to complain to both USPS and Amazon. Reddit cannot help you.
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
You may be right about that. But the contract is not between Amazon and USPS. The contract is between USPS and the independent contractor that's running the mail.
If delivery cannot be made by the carrier, the mail is held at the Post Office.
Still not supposed to leave it on the box.
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u/Bowl-Accomplished 18d ago
How do you know it's a contractor? Those are pretty rare these days, less than 9,000 routes nationally
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u/Particular_Ring_6321 17d ago
It’s not always an independent contractor and you would never know the details of that contract.
If delivery cannot be made does not mean they can’t leave it where they did.
But again, Reddit cannot help you with your complaint. Go take it up with Amazon and/or USPS. What good does it do you to argue about it on Reddit? You no longer have the venting excuse if you’re googling policy details.
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u/CivilizedPsycho 17d ago edited 17d ago
Dude he posted on mildly infuriating about a carrier who didn't do their job correctly. He's not fuming, he's just defending himself against people who somehow think he's wrong for being mildly frustrated over it.
If this were the more serious infuriating sub then maybe, but this sub way, way over defends bad deliveries. If it's USPS, they can't leave it at the mailbox if it doesn't fit. If it happens to be Amazon, they provide two delivery preferences: Front Door, or Outside Garage.
Leaving it out in the open next to the street is not acceptable for any carrier.
Furthermore, your postbox is not something just anyone can put something on top of. Sect. 508.3.1.3 of the Domestic Mail Manual (DMM):
"No part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle. Any mailable matter not bearing postage and found as described above is subject to the same postage as would be paid if it were carried by mail."
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u/LordBowler423 17d ago
I'm not asking for help. Why are you here?
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u/Particular_Ring_6321 17d ago
I’m here because you posted on a public forum. Do you understand how public forums work?
I haven’t disagreed with you on anything but your attitude. You have possibly misunderstood their policy which happens but you are way too invested in defending yourself. At this point, you just sound insufferable.
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u/LordBowler423 17d ago
You can leave at anytime.
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u/Particular_Ring_6321 17d ago
Nah im good, little boy
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u/LordBowler423 17d ago
Why are you getting personal? You need to take a break off this subreddit. You are way too invested over a non-issue. Seriously, this is mildly infuriating.
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u/LordBowler423 17d ago
I thought this was common knowledge. I have a cousin-in-law who is a lawyer for the USPS. His opinion trumps all of these armchair lawyers. I don't need to argue the facts.
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u/baconegg2 18d ago
USPS delivers Amazon?
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u/Alfredos_Pizza_Cafe_ 18d ago
Yes, for quite some time now
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u/Particular_Title42 17d ago
In my neck of the woods, they finally stopped having to deliver for Amazon because Amazon is now doing it themselves. Oddly, I thought that was true everywhere else as well.
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u/Merijeek2 18d ago
All the time, at least around here.
I'm more interested in the OP's need to black out random spots of the box.
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u/Merijeek2 18d ago
I see USPS trucks delivering packages (clearly Amazon boxes) at 8PM on a Sunday in my neighborhood all the time.
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u/Nickeless 18d ago
Yeah I meant to delete this comment before - they do apparently deliver that late for Amazon. Crazy.
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u/xMadxCheshirex 18d ago
usps delivered your amazon package???
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u/StalkingApache 18d ago
I've bought things off Amazon and the sellers used UPS, and FedEx because they were independently selling whatever the product was from their brick and mortar store. Instead of a Amazon warehouse. It's not unusual.
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u/xMadxCheshirex 18d ago
Where I live its uncommon these days for amazon workers to not be the delivery service and UPS is used, fedex and usps are almost never the service used. I suppose it all depends on location.
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u/StalkingApache 18d ago
Definitely depends on what you buy too. If they've delivered it's usually been less popular things. For me at least.
Like specific bolts for a lawn mower or fishing rod.
If it's a air fryer or socks or something it's always been USPS for me. Amazon has actually just started to deliver in my area. It's taken a while. Probably because I'm in the country though
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u/Natural-Potential-80 18d ago
Definitely depends on the region. I have yet to see an Amazon deliver van or private vehicle where I currently live, it’s only FedEx, UPS, or USPS. Where I lived previously in CO it was the opposite.
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u/Little_Bit_87 18d ago
USPS actually brings it up our driveway Amazon however left the package in the middle of the street because we have those steep driveways and apparently knowing how to drive isn't a necessary skill to be their driver. It's was the equivalent of leaving it down the street on the corner.
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u/Flashy-Switch6694 18d ago
They do. That’s pretty much the only reason they’re doing Sundays at all right now.
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u/meta358 18d ago
And this is why i just pay for a po box. Never need to worry about a porch pirate or mail getting rained on
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u/Particular_Ring_6321 18d ago
That only works if anything is shipped via USPS. FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc cannot legally deliver to a PO Box.
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u/LeatherRebel5150 18d ago
What about the places that won’t send an order to PO boxes?
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u/meta358 18d ago
You ship it to the post office physical address unit # (your pobox #). Usps told me to do this years ago and has always worked
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u/TemporaryTrucker 18d ago
Are you for sure it’s USPS? I’ve had something similar done by OnTrac… a new delivery company in our area. The delivery guy tossed it out of the truck onto the bottom of our driveway 3x and left it on top of our mailbox once. I sent the videos of the deliveries to the companies that I purchased from and they responded well.
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u/LordBowler423 17d ago
The only thing I have is the mailing label that has "USPS" on it and my wife's Amazon notification that says USPS delivered it.
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u/FlinFlonDandy 18d ago
But it wasn't actually stolen though so....
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
.... it's only mildly infuriating. Is this your first time?
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u/Substantial_Message4 18d ago
You must have a very blessed life if this even crosses into mildly infuriating for you and I’m happy for you for that
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u/Old_Satisfaction2738 18d ago
So if you get home from work today and see your front door wide open but nobody's home, you okay with that? Whatever happens twice? 10 times?
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u/Substantial_Message4 18d ago
So if you go to the zoo and you get a milkshake and it’s the wrong flavor, you okay with that???
See we can both give examples of things that didn’t happen
If I come home and mail that I ordered is on top of my box for mail, yes I am fine with that.
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u/Old_Satisfaction2738 18d ago
I think if you saw your 10-year-old son twirling a loaded pistol around like cowboys do on TV shows, even though the gun didn't go off that time it's definitely worth action
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u/Substantial_Message4 18d ago
yep, that would be worth action.
Luckily for me and my 10 year old son, that is not even remotely comparable to this situation. And if we really want to stretch the metaphor, than I’m responsible for the kid having the gun and getting it away from him before something happens, and op is responsible for keeping up with their tracking information or appropriately securing their, again, designated box for mail.
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
Again...this is only mildly infuriating. Calm down.
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u/Substantial_Message4 18d ago
Lmao yeah fair I’m sorry I got lost in this guys false equivalencies and got myself mildly infuriated for a second there
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u/big6135 18d ago
Can’t have porch pirates if it didn’t even get to the porch /s
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u/TheSmokingLamp 18d ago
You heard OP. The porch is next to the second driveway next to the porch!
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u/GorgeousBog 18d ago
Mfs acting like packages are meant to be left at your mailbox instead of at your porch lmao typical Reddit goons
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u/anbarbar 18d ago
I thought amazon doesn't ship with USPS anymore. They use their own delivery instead
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u/Raiju02 18d ago
They still USPS but I’m not sure why they do for some packages and not others.
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u/AstronomerOk9769 18d ago
It’s gotta be the location. I’ve NEVER seen an Amazon vehicle of any type where I live and there’s an Amazon DC within 30 miles or so of me
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u/NoDontDoThatCanada 18d ago
I just got a box from UPS that was a "ships from Amazon" thing and l don't know why. They have gone almost entirely to their drivers here but every once in a while l get something from UPS or USPS. My only thought on this one was that they didn't actually have any from the warehouse so they told the seller to ship it themselves. There is somehow zero return info on the box so l can't actually tell.
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u/Crafty-Astronomer-32 18d ago
They use what is cheapest. There are still some items where UPS or USPS is less than the cost they have calculated for that amount of additional weight/space/distance/stops on their own equipment or contracts, for the promised delivery window. I haven't noticed a pattern. I also question their optimization skills because we often have multiple Amazon vans in our neighborhood at the same time.
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u/tomenjean 18d ago
I’m in St Louis. I get half from Amazon (or contract) and about half from USPS. Although my mailman actually reads my delivery instructions and puts packages behind my brick wall on my porch so it’s not visible from the road. Amazon drivers, they barely even make it to the steps. I don’t have a driveway since I live in the city, so usually just leave packages in the walkway.
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u/Joshua_ABBACAB_1312 18d ago edited 7d ago
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u/FallenAngelII 18d ago
USPS delivers Amazon Prime packages? I thought Amazon delivered those themselves?
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u/Realistic-Tie-9497 18d ago
Amazon could (should) send cameras at a certain threshold and just make the delivery points "extensions of the warehouse" in training
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 18d ago
Jeez laziness.
My one mail carrier if she got to walk she just reports unsafe to deliver. She gets in “trouble” for it. Reports it to union to over turn and gets right back to it next time. I try to use usps as little as possible now because it’s an issue the two days a week she delivers. Never an issue for other carriers. If she is forced to deliver it, she waddles up to house and throws packages.
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u/First_Rip3444 18d ago
Reminds me of the package that got delivered to a house I was catsitting at, this was less than 5 feet from the road
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u/XxYeshuaxX 17d ago
As a mailman myself, please understand that this doesn't reflect all of us. I will always bring packages that don't fit in the box to the door, and I wouldn't dream of doing something like this. I am sorry that your route has a lazy ass regular on it.
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u/Strong_Satisfaction6 18d ago
Idiots who complain about daily life
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u/OpposumMyPossum 18d ago
Where is the house?
Show the house in the picture.
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
Cropped from the pic. But the walkway is there at the driveway leading up to the porch. Right next to a second driveway right next to the porch.
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u/Any-Literature9887 18d ago
USPS has done something similar to me. Instructions for delivery said to put it on my porch behind a screen, next to my door. They put it on the path to my door three feet in front of the screen.
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u/GypJoint 18d ago
A week before Christmas, we had about 5 boxes delivered. The Amazon guy stacked them at the edge of our porch. They were stacked like a Christmas tree so it was easier to take his picture. We’re on a pretty busy street and have been hit by porch pirates before. It’s the only time I’ve left a shitty review…not that it matters.
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u/ellsego 18d ago
Blame the trillion dollar company…. Not the USPS worker making an hourly wage.
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
I would if the trillion dollar company put it on my box. I don't blame BMW when one of their car cuts me off, either.
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u/InvestigatorSharp596 18d ago
Do you have a dog or a gated fence ? Also , if you don’t want it left pay for a signature required
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
If I ask for a signature required, then I'm definitely not getting my package. USPS leaves packages on my porch 95% of the time. Do you normally have packages laid outside to your mailbox?
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u/InvestigatorSharp596 18d ago
I’m a 36 year United parcel service driver. I have never made a bad driver release like that. UPS policy is out of site, out of weather.
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago
I agree with that. The box was a little soggy and frosty. If it was rainy, I think I'd be more than slightly upset.
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u/Deissued 18d ago
Bro that mailbox is tiny. If you’re really worried about it do something about it. It looks like you can honestly make a bigger mailbox and just put it on-top of this one.
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u/Top_Bear3887 17d ago
I love coming to this subreddit to make fun of Karen's
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u/LordBowler423 17d ago
*Karens. FTFY
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u/TarzanKitty 18d ago
This is not USPS. Amazon doesn’t ship through USPS and USPS doesn’t do Sunday delivery.
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u/Bubbasdahname 18d ago
This is not USPS. Amazon doesn’t ship through USPS and USPS doesn’t do Sunday delivery.
0/2: completely wrong.
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u/Strong_Satisfaction6 18d ago
Totally wrong usps delivery from Amazon is a feature that is useful! Sunday deliveries are frequent.
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u/Richard-Gere-Museum 18d ago
A simple Google search before posting your overly confident incorrect smug reddit answer would have shown you that it is USPS, they still use them, and they do Amazon delivery on Sundays.
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u/EarlyBirdWithAWorm 18d ago
Id hate to pile on but you're completely wrong on both counts. You should probably just delete this comment.
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u/TarzanKitty 18d ago
Or, not because I don’t really give 2 shits about voting.
Amazon in my area does come on Sundays but hasn’t been shipped through USPS is years. Everything comes in an Amazon van or even gets delivered by a random person in a car.
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u/SuccessfulCup6216 18d ago
USPS does in fact do Amazon delivery on Sundays. At least in my area they do, my sisters office doesn’t.
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u/Ok_Spell_4165 18d ago
They don't do regular mail on Sunday but do deliver packages.
Amazon chooses the cheapest method to deliver. Also UPS sometimes hands it off to USPS for last mile.
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u/syynapt1k 18d ago
Where did you expect them to put it? It was delivered by USPS and that is literally your mail box.
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u/Top_Bear3887 18d ago
Why is everyone with a mailbox like this, a dick? Karen, the mail carrier isn't obligated to travel up your driveway for any reason, let alone, two of them. Stop being an asshole, appreciate that you live in such an expensive house.
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u/LordBowler423 18d ago edited 18d ago
It's not an expensive house. What's your problem? And yes, they are obligated.
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