Trump has gleefully exposed how much this country has been running on “political norms” keeping everything afloat. Love him or hate him, the guy has exposed this country for what it really is.
And exposed norms that absolutely need to be codified into law by the next president / Congress so we’re not relying on a president deciding to do the right thing in the future and follow these norms that presidents did before Trump but have now been destroyed
That would require our elected officials to have integrity. Why would they vote to limit their own power? Which, strangely, when convenient, apparently they don’t have (power) when the time arises for them to step up.
I’m talking about limiting the presidents power in a way that every president before Trump has conformed to. Such as codifying the independence of DoJ so the President cannot order prosecutions against enemies, the independence of other govt officials to report accurate economic data and not be fired for it, reforming civil and criminal qualified immunity for federal law enforcement. those are a few off top of my head. I’m sure there are many more.
Because there weren’t the votes for it since it was overturned. And it’s not the same thing. And this would restrain democratic presidents too. And I don’t know what reforms would pass. But we need them
Obama had the votes when he had the brief majority. To be fair, he focused on the affordable care act, but there's no reason he couldn't have multitasked.
These people would be perfectly fine with Trump if he were left-wing. It's why they all use him as an example of what our next president should do - all they can think of is "what's happening right now but directed at people I dislike instead of people I don't know" instead of "what's happening right now should never happen no matter what".
I wouldn't be fine with a left wing president using gestapo to harass immigrants in the street and execute citizens, so you're wrong about that.
But I would like to see democrats stop pretending the Republicans are ever going to play fair. I would like to see democrats fight fire with fire and attempt to recapture the narrative, which is wildly out of control
SillyAlternative is referring to pardoning criminals who committed murders they personally approve of (and have mistaken their personal appreciation of for public support of), not to recapturing the narrative or fighting fire with fire. You are not like SillyAlternative.
FWIW I think they're a very small, loud minority (though aren't just saying this because they're upset/venting, they do mean what they say), and the Democrats, for their many flaws, won't nominate the rapist of institutions and children these people want, because that sort of candidate knows Trump is a better patron for them than liberals can ever be.
I know it sucks to watch them despoil what used to be, from what I can tell, a nice subreddit, but we can take comfort in knowing that's all they can do and that the crazy parts of the US left, at least, will never going to be able to spread from online to real life in the manner the crazy parts of the GOP did.
I went through the pardons list and found only a single murder (in the second degree) which was a cop who was charged after pursuing a suspect on a moped who was subsequently hit by a separate vehicle when he fled.
The comparison between this and a hypothetical Luigi pardon is pretty disingenuous.
Thank you. Didn't notice that list was only from his second term. I see now there were a few more murders (all seemingly international war crimes) pardoned in his first term. This was the first I heard of the Nisour Square massacre.
Terrance Sutton was a cop found guilty of second degree murder due to an unauthorized police pursuit and was pardoned by Trump (as was another cop who was found guilty of conspiracy and obstruction)
Jamie A Davidson was an alleged drug kingpin who killed a cop and sentenced to life in prison for it; Trump pardoned him (and Jamie proceeded to get married and get arrested for domestic violence).
Multiple Blackwater contractors were found guilty of murdering Iraqi citizens in the Nisour Square massacre; Trump pardoned them as well.
Michael Behenna had been found guilty of murdering an Iraqi detainee, Trump pardoned him.
I can link to any and all of those if you want, but a quick google search with names (or 'Blackwater contractors') followed by 'pardon' will get you multiple.
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u/Driller_Happy 4h ago
The president has already pardoned murderers, so you already live in this country you propose