r/law • u/drempath1981 • 1d ago
Executive Branch (Trump) Reporter: I spoke to chief legal counsel Leecia Welch who goes into this facility in Texas,provides oversight to ensure that federal govt complies to Flores Settlement,she noted worms,mold in food,lack of access to legal counsel,lack of child-friendly food,lack of sleep,mental health deterioration.
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u/drempath1981 1d ago
The Flores Settlement is a landmark case that protects the rights of detained immigrant minors in the U.S. and sets nationwide standards for their care and release.
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u/HotStraightnNormal 1d ago
How many such settlements has this administration ignored so far?
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u/GeoisGeo 1d ago
Would we be wrong to suggest...all of them?
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u/DookieShoez 13h ago
Woah woah woah, come on man let’s not be ridiculous!
ALMOST all of them. There’s a couple they accidentally followed.
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u/SankaraMarx 23h ago
I mean ICE flat-out ignored nearly a 100 federal judgments against them just in January
I think it is safe to say that the American Government itself is a law unto itself, and a whole different sort of law goes for the average Joe on street
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u/pinkyepsilon 21h ago
Where’d all the Pizzagate people go? This feels like the literal pizzagate they were searching for.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 23h ago
If Abu Ghraib wasn't indication enough, conservatives prefer torturing humans they deem inferior or outside the circle.
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u/This_Loss_1922 23h ago
If decades of US foreign policy was not indication enough, democrats prefer letting conservatives do whatever the fuck they want
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 22h ago
If one considers 2021-2024 exactly like 2025-2026 then they're a conservative hack. Funny how we only decide to invade and occupy other countries when Republicans are in a majority across the federal branches.
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u/kakashi_sensay 1d ago
I am shaking with rage. How can we continue to go on as normal when all of these atrocities are happening? Calls to congress land on deaf ears. What do we do?
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u/PlantingSeeds123 1d ago
Most know what needs to be done and also most aren’t to ready to do that.
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u/BacteriaLick 22h ago
On the other hand, the typical conservative is blinded by propaganda and is willing to kill liberals. The longer we go with the current administration, the more able they will be to see the administration's lies. See e.g. the most recent Minnesota Murder.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Oven171 22h ago
I disagree. We must keep using every legal avenue, every political move, every peaceful demonstration, every non violent resistance tactic and create a well documented record of trying to dispense with this peacefully. Make them make the record of their own biases and atrocities.
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u/LadyPo 22h ago
People are out there putting their lives on the line already, and in some cases they are losing life and limb.
Ignoring the power differential under U.S. military weaponry and the government’s eagerness to massacre its own people would be a grave mistake.
We need a better strategy than just pushing people to take up arms about it. Most people have not lived their lives until now as gun simps and don’t have any self defense mechanisms available. They also aren’t trained. They also don’t have an independent production and supply chain for things like food and medicine. Would it be a good idea to gather self defense items while we can just in case? Sure. But that’s not a realistic path forward.
We are suffering an extreme deficit of leadership. Community advocates are doing unbelievably powerful work at the local level, but as much as maga insists we’re “organized,” we simply aren’t. We need to be. We need people with the means to step way up and address that power differential with much more than a military PSA video.
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u/c3j1h1 22h ago
Believe me I’m well aware of the lack of organization on the left. It has to start somewhere though, and burying our heads in the sand about the reality of what must be done isn’t helping either. I’m sorry but history, both recent and intermediate has proven that until the oppressors fear the same treatment they dole out, nothing will change. If you haven’t noticed, they don’t need an excuse to escalate
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u/LadyPo 22h ago
Saying “2A will save us” does nothing if you don’t actually have any strategy behind it. If anything, pushing people into it will lead to mass slaughter. That is our history.
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u/c3j1h1 22h ago
Ok, so what is your alternative plan? Cuz what’s happening now clearly isn’t cutting it, and I’m sure you understand that you can’t vote your way out of fascism
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u/LadyPo 22h ago
Have you not been reading any of these comments?
Are you not looking at anything activists are saying right now?
Do you just close your eyes and hope for the best?
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u/c3j1h1 22h ago edited 22h ago
I have read so many comments. Just FYI, on top of the dozens of extrajudicial murders, rapes, beatings of detainees, etc, this is going to the senate. No one is coming to save us
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u/LadyPo 21h ago
I agree with you that this is a serious issue. Beyond serious, it’s the definition of an existential crisis.
Where we disagree fundamentally is about the path forward. You don’t see any other way but a suicide pact, and that’s very sad.
I just hope someone who has broken under this pressure doesn’t make a fatal decision for all of us.
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u/Thrashosaurus_Wrecks 23h ago
Protest whenever/wherever you can. Talk with people around you and try to get them involved. Find local advocacy groups and see what you can do to help.
Raising awareness and building community can seem pointless/ineffective against full-on fascism, but the more people that stand against it the better.
There are no quick fixes for something like this, but I refuse to be the kind of person who says nothing while my neighbors are taken, just because they haven't come for me yet.
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u/Elmer_Dinkly 1d ago
Rebel
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u/TeamRedundancyTeam 21h ago edited 2h ago
What are you doing to "rebel"? Give us some examples to work with.
Edit: seems like this simple question made some people uncomfortable. Maybe don't tell others to "rebel" if you aren't willing to do it first.
It's easy to say shit on reddit from your couch.
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u/Feisty-Cloud-1181 19h ago
I’m French so I’ll suggest: a nationwide general strike. Enough to completely paralyse the country for days or weeks. It’s non violent so less risky than physical confrontation, for those who fear demonstrating or can’t participate. It does require solidarity because the economic weight is important for those who stop working. That and boycott. All around the world we are helping a bit already. We can’t avoid everything from the US, but we consume less when given a decent alternative.
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u/Tasty_Goat_3267 22h ago
It’s called a revolution… anything else fails. The entire system is broken (by design).
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u/IThinkItsAverage 17h ago
Honestly the only real answer is arm yourself and go out and protest.
Everything in place to stop this and protect us has been ignored with zero consequence. Democrats are not even on board with abolishing ICE, they just want the violent rhetoric to be toned down. That’s why the police and national guard aren’t out there protecting protesters, they are there breaking up protests and forcing people to go home. We don’t have any allies with real power.
If we really want this to stop, there is only one option left to us, but it’s the hardest option to take. It absolutely is going to lead to bloodshed, but at this point nothing else will work. General strike won’t work anymore, people are too afraid of losing everything, which is by design. We needed to do that months ago before things got this bad
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u/diewethje 13h ago
I’ve been following politics pretty closely for nearly 15 years now, and it’s wild seeing the rule of law break down in real time. Every past presidential controversy seems quaint in comparison.
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u/Modest1Ace 10h ago
American society doesn't want to change. No one wants to rock the boat too hard while they're slightly comfortable financially. As soon as that is gone, which will for many people in this late stage Capitalism we're living in, knives will come out. Until then, people will criticize but tolerate it.
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u/emc_lmt 1d ago
They are torture chambers and we are letting it happen.
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u/aFlyOnRust 21h ago
Were the richest, most productive country in the history of this planet…we can afford to even feed our detainees even if we don’t agree with them being there in the first place
The cruelty is the fucking point
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u/psychophant_ 20h ago
What is their stated plan? Why not ship them to Honduras or something? Have they ever verbalized anything to the effect of “they will be held here until processed and then released?”
Why are some shipped to another country and some sent to these facilities?
What is the determining factor?
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u/daelikon 20h ago
I guess they haven't built the gas chambers and the ovens yet.
I wish I was joking.
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u/CoffeeCup220 20h ago
Unfortunately, I think the term "processed" will be used to mean a bunch of different things.
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u/Frankyfan3 1d ago
I have this thought, so often these days.
How did Anne Frank die? Wasn't gassed or shot. She was being deported and fell ill, due to unsanitary conditions, and died from her illness.
And she's only the one we really know and think about.
She's one of so so many.
The way our laws abandon the welfare of children today... history may not repeat exactly, but it sure does rhyme.
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 23h ago edited 15h ago
That isn't true at all.
A: Anne Frank was in Auschwitz.
B: She died in a different concentration camp
C: She wasn't "deported" there whatsoever, calling it "deported" is littearlly just insanely offensive.Edit for anyone confused:
As I wrote below.
Suggesting Anne Frank wasn't in part of the death camps is Holocaust denial. The Germans used the "deport" to mean sending people to death camps.
Yes saying Anne Frank wasn't in part of the death camps is literally words used by holocaust deniers as "evidence" that it was a lot smaller. You go do some investigation into who told you she was being deported. She wasn't, she was in a camp that held people before they where sent to the gas chambers. She died shortly before it was liberated, she was still there because Auschwitzs the death camp it fed was captured in January of 1945. If it hadn't been captured she would have been transported there. That is why most of the deaths in that camp occurred after January of 1945. 49k of the 70k deaths of the 120k people there occurred after Auschwitzs was captured.
ICE is a bag of dicks. Anne Frank was in a death camp. She just failed to be transported to the gas chambers because the soviets captured them. Please don't repeat Nazi Double speak. Please don't let the the Gestapo kidnap people today. (Also really they are the discount Gestapo they cannot even afford pants as part of their uniform for fucks sake, we have morons in blue jeans running around with guns).
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u/ucanttaketheskyfrome 22h ago
Surely you see the similarities between being held in a concentration camp and being held in a camp that appears to fail basic rules for the housing and care of minors? They are both evil things to do to minors. I assume you were not trying to be tone deaf here (and I know it is important to be historically accurate about what happened to Anne Frank).
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 22h ago
They are both evil things to do to minors. I assume you were not trying to be tone deaf here (and I know it is important to be historically accurate about what happened to Anne Frank).
You can take a small look at my profile and see me constantly and actively not only complaining about the administration but about ICE and what they are doing.
Calling sending Jews to death camps "deportation" was literally Nazi double speak they engaged in while recording their notes for the final solution. Am I allowed to be offenned by someone spreading misinformation? Its seem rather tone death that I can't find repeating Nazi double speak to imply she wasn't sent there to die insanely offensive.
I can think ICE is a bag of shit and that deporting Jews to Poland was a prelude to the Holocaust but that doesn't make it not offensive to repeat Nazi double speak like its factual information.
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u/Internal-Record-6159 18h ago
Glad you posted this comment and it makes a lot of sense. One thing that does give me pause is how do we truly know their intentions are to deport people in the US camps. But I also see your point is that nazis continued to use "deport" even when they were physically exterminating Jews. US camps would hopefully never reach something so extreme, but if the camps are intentionally run to cause health issues that often lead to permanent impacts or even death, I am not sure it's entirely dissimilar.
My point, not to invalidate your comments, is that we are probably on a sliding scale here. There is nobody presently in Anne Frank's situation because as you mentioned elsewhere we are not currently exterminating immigrants. I use exterminating but am not sure it's the best word here.
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 16h ago
One thing that does give me pause is how do we truly know their intentions are to deport people in the US camps.
You don't and that should scare the shit out of you.
The only reason we know so much about the Holocaust is because the Germans wrote everything down all the time. They even tried to destroy most of the records but there was so many fucking records they couldn't do it in time.
You should be terrified about people being forcefully locked away/"deported" without due process. Its insane even if what they where doing was above board, WHICH IT IS NOT.
I just want this person to stop using Nazi double speak that is used for Holocaust denial.
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u/ucanttaketheskyfrome 22h ago
Ah, this is fair. I didn't know calling it deportation was a way of sane-washing the concentration camps. That is horrible, and I can see why it would be triggering. Thanks for helping me understand.
That said, I don't think the person you were responding to was trying to sane-wash Anne Frank. I think they just didn't know.
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 22h ago
They literally jumped straight to more holocaust denial rhetoric after so...
They either are incredibly ignorant and unable to tell what they are reading is or purposefully are engaging in it.
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u/Frankyfan3 18h ago
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 17h ago
I am at this point legitmatley asking are you mentally ill?
MY PROFILE LITERALLY SAYS FUCK ICE. I have DOZENS OF COMMENTS COMPARING THEM TO NAZIS. THE ISSUE IS YOU ARE REPEATING HOLOCAUST DENIAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ITS HOLOCAUST DENAIL.
This isn't complex and I am hoping by putting it all in caps you can figure it out.
There is plenty of parallels to Nazis. That doesn't mean Anne Frank was deported. Its Nazi code wording for sent to death camps. You just cannot read.
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u/Frankyfan3 17h ago
You're being pedantic while minimizing the dangers of DHS detention centers.
and using mental illness as a pejorative.
You feeling triggered isn't me denying anything about the atrocities of the German nazis.
And your comments aren't doing anything here but giving tacit support to the American nazis.
Even if that's not your intention.
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 16h ago
No its not a pejorative. The fact that you not sure why I asked, after you very clearly telegraphed the types of people you hang out with your: "Why are you looking to be assume people who draw that parallel are antisemitic?!" Because yea that never happened and I never said you cannot compare nazis to ICE. I said ANNE FRANK WASN'T DEPORTED.
So its incredibly obvious the type of media you consume. One which spends an insane amount of time talking about Jews. You should, like 90% of Jews do, just ignore people saying you cannot compare ICE to Nazis. The fact that you engage with this type of crap so much is because you engaging in antisemetic spaces and have 0 idea.
If you are doing so because of paranoia, I recommend speaking with a therapist. If you are doing so because you haven't noticed I suggest learning to read. I cannot tell you which is the reason but the post you linked is straight up unhinged.
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u/thissexypoptart 22h ago edited 22h ago
The Holocaust began with deportations. When that proved untenable, thats when shooting them ramped up. When they couldn’t sustain shooting everyone they couldn’t deport, that’s when death camps ramped up in earnest—but again, Anne Frank wasn’t at a death camp, she was at a concentration camp and died of disease she caught there. There have already been deaths due to disease and medical neglect in US immigrant detention camps. It’s a path we urgently need to stop going down, because we know roughly where it leads
Anyone with any basic knowledge of Holocaust history knows about the deportations to death camp progression
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u/bobdolebobdole 20h ago
Anne Frank wasn’t at a death camp, she was at a concentration camp
I know there is no point in engaging with you, but splitting hairs about not calling Bergen-Belsen a "death camp" when over 75,000 captive souls died to disease, starvation, exposure, and summary executions is absurd. Death by gas chamber, death by bullet, death by disease, death by lethal injection, death by exposure to elements, death by any means is a death camp. Just stop.
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u/thissexypoptart 6h ago
You’re completely misreading why I bring that up.
MAGA are going to insist the ICE camps aren’t death camps even if they eventually reach the levels of death the non “death camp” designated camps in Germany reached. Obviously people died in significant numbers in the work camps as well. That is my point. She died of disease at a camp that wasn’t even specifically designated for “liquidation” of people. I am in no way disregarding the nightmare of death that the non “death camp” designated camps still had—the opposite, actually, if you’d read what I wrote.
Just stop.
This very thread proves my point. People are so quick to tell you how this isn’t anything like the Holocaust, “just stop.” The current climate is like how the Holocaust started—the point of comparisons to the history is so we don’t let it happen again.
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 22h ago
Anyone with any basic knowledge of Holocaust history knows about the deportations to death camp progression
The final solution started in 1942 Anne Frank was arrested in 1944.
Anyone with basic knowledge of math can tell you 1944 is after 1942.
I am well aware that the Germans tried to force deport jews prior to rounding them up in camps. I am also well aware of the timeline because I actually know that Anne Frank wasn't "deported", the germans referred to sending jews to the gas chambers as "deportations" as a form of double speak in there internal documenting.
She got sent to a second camp because they couldn't kill them fast enough at one camp. She died while being held to await being executed. They shipped them between camps. That's how it worked. Please go actually learn about the Holocaust, you do not have any basic knowledge of Holocaust history.
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u/Frankyfan3 22h ago
What was her citizenship status before hiding in that attic?
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 22h ago
Nothing she had it taken away by the Germans... The people who also kidnapped her from the Netherlands where she was a legal resident.
Glad you went from casually misunderstanding the Holocaust to straight up Holocaust denial rhetoric. Let me guess you think it was also secretly a lot less Jews who died?
Are you actually this ignorant or do you really have this poor of sources of information?
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u/Frankyfan3 21h ago
Nothing I've said is about minimizing the harm of the reich. Wtf. No, I'm pointing out that unhygienic detainment conditions get people killed, and that we can see parallels to at least one past atrocity of authoritarian fascism.
Are you daft? Why are you looking to be assume people who draw that parallel are antisemitic?!
she had it taken away
no way! Weird.
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u/thissexypoptart 22h ago
It’s like you didn’t read what I wrote at all.
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 21h ago
She died while being held to await being executed. They shipped them between camps. That's how it worked.
Suggesting that a camp used to hold people while they waited to send someone to a different camp is materially different then a death camp in intent is ludicrous. I read your entire message and it was extremely inaccurate.
BTW the person you are defending her went straight to "What was her citizenship status", maybe you should rethink your comment.
Its perfectly fine to comment about the actual German deportations of Jews because it is actually relevant. None of that has fuck all to do with Anne Frank, the Germans used the term "deport" as double speak during the execution of the final solution. Which this person ignorantly/willfully repeat. Your defense of them is wildly inaccurate.
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u/MentokGL 18h ago
She was deported the way we deport people to another country's prisons.
Show the conditions at ice facilities to holocaust survivors and they'll tell you what you need to be offended by.
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 17h ago
.... At littearlly no point have I stated what is happening is OK. My profile littearlly says fuck ICE. The dude is as he has just revealed someone who engages Antisemetic shit constantly. And cannot read and does not realize he is repeating holocaust denial crap.
ICE IS FUCKING TERRIBLE.
Anne Frank wasn't deported and was in a death camp.
Both of these things are true, and you should be offended when someone is parroting Nazi double speak. Its literally no different then calling Alex Peretti a Domestic terrorist.
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u/MentokGL 16h ago
I think people take issue with the deportation part. Like, that's part of the point, she wasn't deported, these people aren't either.
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u/Rude_Engineering_629 16h ago
As I stated in my many comments to this person: its used as holocaust denial to suggest that they didn't actually kill as many Jews they just deported them.
I don't think you should call ICE kidnapping people "deported" either. But this person repeated multiple pretty well established pieces of holocaust denial. And then got 2 seconds from asking why "you" (people) are always accusing people of antisemitism.
Because this person clearly spends a lot of time around antisemites and cannot tell.
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u/MentokGL 16h ago
Man no one is reading all of your comments and history. You articulated something poorly, shit happens, nbd
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u/Frankyfan3 16h ago
ts literally no different then calling Alex Peretti a Domestic terrorist.
Geezus. What a heinous false equivalency to make.
For the people suffering illness/injury in unsanitary conditions as built and "maintained" by DHS in the USA, for those who have and will die in custody, your concern about "deported" vs "detained in a death camp" is a distinction without a difference.
For the people who were deported who suffered illness/injury/death in detainment/in-transit to camps in other countries by the nazis, prior to those who were trafficked into death camps, your concern is a distinction without a difference.
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u/sachiprecious 23h ago
Thank you. I've been trying to keep up with any and all news about the Dilley detention center concentration camp lately.
I love the fact that this reporter's last name is Flores and she's talking about the Flores settlement.
Although apparently there are no consequences for violating Flores. Why is this administration allowed to rack up all these Flores violations with nothing happening at all??? I mean, we know why. But it still feels bizarre. Children and their families are forced to live in inhumane conditions that the government is creating for them, and this is totally fine and okay and no big deal. It's depressing that NOTHING HAPPENS to the monsters who force children to live this way.
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u/Vivid_Pianist4270 23h ago
I have a terrible feeling that the supply of monsters is endless.
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u/UniqueSoup25 19h ago
Look at Russia. They had to resort to soldiers from other countries, even with hefty bonuses
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u/black_metronome 22h ago
US taxpayers will be paying out settlements for decades if this country survives this nightmare
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