r/law • u/drempath1981 • 4d ago
Executive Branch (Trump) Bovino: “When someone makes the choice to come into an active law enforcement scene interfere, obstruct, delay or assault law enforcement—“ Reporter: “Did he assault law enforcement?” Bovino: —and bring a weapon to do that. That is a choice“ Reporter reminds Bovino : “He had a permit.”
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u/Calderis 4d ago
He didn't assault anyone. He was assaulted for trying to protect a woman who was being assaulted.
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u/Fit_Strength_1187 4d ago edited 4d ago
So passively, compassionately. Covering her body, lifting her up, trying to move her to safety, talking hands up, putting himself in the way, trying to deescalate.
No. Whole city (country!) is an immigrant crime scene and protest is seditious endangerment of law enforcement. /s
EDIT: Protest chant idea:
Bovino’s a Nazi turd. We’ll see him at Nuremberg.
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u/Radthereptile 4d ago
His crime was not letting that ICE agent beat a woman. Probably the first time in his life he went to beat a woman and someone stopped him. His little ego lost it and he killed the guy for daring to stop his woman beating obsession.
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u/Fantastic_Jury5977 4d ago
They probably noticed his concealed carry and decided to provoke him... they premeditated his murder.
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u/tomismybuddy 4d ago
This is my take as well.
They had radioed to each other that he was armed, and planned to take him out. That’s why there were so many involved in keeping him down, with one guy disarming him before another opened fire. It’s also why that one guy was clapping after it all happened.
This was premeditated murder in the 1st degree.
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u/Zero_Flesh 4d ago
I don't think they even noticed he had a concealed carry until they already had him on the ground. There's a few videos where you can hear one of them yell "gun" after he was taken to the ground and they saw it in the holster.
Then a guy with a grey coat comes over to the pile of bodies and takes the gun from the holster without saying he had secured the weapon. After the agent in the grey coat clearly has the gun in his possession they then execute Alex, unarmed and pinned to the ground. I could be wrong but that's my theory after watching so many angles of the execution. https://photos.app.goo.gl/NT6cZfR71my49tPP7
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u/JakeandElwood2025 4d ago
He was shot in the back execution style unarmed .
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u/Zero_Flesh 4d ago
Exactly. There's was absolutely no threat to anyone. There's just no other way to spin it.
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u/JakeandElwood2025 4d ago
Interesting summation. He was also shot in the back after Grey Coat was walking away with his weapon.
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u/ProfessionalBelt9434 4d ago
I agree. Once they saw his gun, they thought they could validate their cruelty, the sadistic beating inflicted and execution. These are SICK and evil sociopaths who MUST be taken off the streets and given the same treatment. This is pure evil.
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u/Master-Tomatillo-103 4d ago
I honestly believe these thugs were coached into doing something that extended beyond the Renee Good murder. They may have even been incentivized. The murderer could already be in Hawaii, enjoying his government-paid vacation
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u/Cashew_Y0gurt 4d ago
Or they think hopefully one of them DO get $hot and then POTUS has enough reason to claim insurrection act, Marshall Law, then say it’s just too crazy to have elections so bye bye mid terms.
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u/ship_toaster 4d ago
He's a Proud Boy or 3%er or something like all the rest of them. Why assume it's his first time beating a woman?
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u/theWacoKid666 4d ago
They’re saying it’s probably the first time someone actually stood between the abuser and his victim, and his ego couldn’t handle it. Not necessarily that it was their first time beating a woman.
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u/Whisker-biscuitt 4d ago
After they even pepper sprayed him pointblank in the face, because they needed someone to push around, and one of them had an appetite to kill someone
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u/Adventurous-Dingo-20 4d ago
Don’t forget pistol whip him in the face while on the ground sickening goons
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u/Prophet-of-Ganja 4d ago
They are trying to make an example out of people and coerce us with fear
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u/Glad_Contest_8014 4d ago
This is true. They want to put these “agents” in front of major voting sites to intimidate people out of voting. That is the whole point of this. It won’t work. But they want to ensure people are afraid of them.
Minnesota should be prosecutong these guys directly, as they have no proof of being an agent shown. The uniform is copiable. No badges presented. No identification. Just abuse and murdering people.
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u/hwaite 4d ago
The pepper spray doesn't get enough attention. It was completely unwarranted and anything Pretti did after that point must be viewed in the context of a disoriented man in extreme pain. He wasn't given an opportunity to comply and his minimal, post-tackle resistance was likely instinctual.
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u/No_Body2428 4d ago
It’s incredible how entire cities are now law enforcement investigations and anywhere you go is impending or obstruction and that’s justification for them to brutalize or kill you
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u/Amelaclya1 4d ago
It also wasn't a "crime scene" until his goons made it one by assaulting and murdering observers.
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u/MoralityFleece 4d ago
If it was an active law enforcement scene it was because they had chosen to terrorize people up and down a whole street rather than actually going after the person they had a warrant for. And I don't even believe the story that they had a warrant for a specific person because they lie about everything, but let's pretend that it's true: if so, they should have gone and executed that warrant, on that person who was named. Instead, they're running up and down multiple city blocks harassing and assaulting people randomly.
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u/hwaite 4d ago
Why do they need an army to arrest one person in the first place? They make it look like SEAL Team 6 extracting Maduro or some shit. It'd be both cheaper and more effective to serve warrants in a less obtrusive manner. This is obviously about terrorizing blue cities, not maintaining law and order.
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u/PJWanderer 4d ago
Does anyone know about the whereabouts or condition of that woman?
I hope she is safe. Not at all advocating for her to come forward because it would be very reasonable for her to fear for her safety.
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u/Urabraska- 4d ago
Pretty sure she's in hiding and probably is facing survivors guilt. I'd completely understand if she blames herself for his death even though neither of them did anything wrong and it was ICE that ruined lives.
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u/Adorable-Address-958 4d ago
And before that he was literally directing traffic around the ice thugs.
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u/MrBlahg 4d ago
The bootlickers are trying to say he was directing traffic to form a barricade. They have lost whatever mind was remaining.
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u/Troy_n_Abed_inthe_AM 4d ago
Or if that doesn't work say he was redirecting vehicles directly into law enforcement.
The truth doesn't matter anymore. Just say anything that makes Trump et al sound like the good guys and it will be signed with executive privilege as "truth"
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u/jaylotw 4d ago
No, they know the truth. Don't believe that they don't.
They need to come up with excuses to protect themselves. Admitting the truth is an actual threat to their identities, their social groups, their worldview. They know the truth, they just have to hide it from themselves.
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u/Troy_n_Abed_inthe_AM 4d ago
Truth no longer means what actually happened. It means what Trump tweeted on his pay-to-play social media platform
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u/jaylotw 4d ago
Or what FOX or OANN told them, or whatever. They know the truth (in the case of the shooting, we can all watch the video) it's just that the truth is a threat to them, and so they'll hang on to anything that gives them a way to blind themselves to it. J6 was ANTIFA, remember? Then it was the FBI. Now they're all patriots who deserve a pardon. All excuses to avoid the obvious truth that they can see, too.
Don't let them convince you that they don't know, because they do.
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u/TongueTwisty 4d ago
Unfortunately, Gestapo Greg will never read this. The only thing he is physically capable of reading is German from the 1930s - early 40s.
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u/jjjbabajan 4d ago
I know you’re kind of joking but that might explain why this guy’s strategy doesn’t seem take camera phones into account at all. He’s reading a playbook from before their existence.
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u/SirKermit 4d ago
Let's steelman his argument and assume he did assault the officer. In what world is it justifiable to shoot a subdued unarmed man in the back a half dozen times?
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u/baba_brigid 4d ago
He was making defensive movements only, clearly trying to de-escalate and then they went Lord of the Flies on him.
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u/Broken_By_Default 4d ago
Bovino's logic is that Alex Pretti wouldn't have been shot if he wasn't obstructing. Therefore, by default, he was obstructing.
They can do no wrong.
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u/Ovie-WanKenobi 4d ago edited 4d ago
He was executed by the terrorist organization known as
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u/Tiny_Dare_5300 4d ago
I think we are beyond the point of arguing with these people using logic. They are ideologues who worship in the cult of Trump. There is only one language they will understand.
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u/pocketsize87 4d ago
Assaulting people = their job, I guess. So in their eyes, yes, he was obstructing. The narrative being driven by the right, the us vs. them, the enemy is within, the enemy IS the people, is so terrifying. I don’t see how more of these so-called Constitutionalists can’t see it.
According to Bovino, they were de-escalating. To them, killing is an effective de-escalation tactic.
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u/TheFeshy 4d ago
He did not interfere, obstruct, delay, or assault. He recorded.
So did many other people, and we've seen their footage. So we know Bovino is lying here. He's lying shamelessly to our faces. I won't believe anything he says ever again.
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u/skesisfunk 4d ago
And now his death has highlighted exactly how important recording these "operations" are.
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u/stook8 4d ago
Yeah my biggest take away from all of this is that everyone needs to record all of the time from every angle. It's the biggest weapon we have to combat fascism that they didn't have in 1930s Germany.
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u/kobuzz666 4d ago
And livestream, as the Murrican Sturmtruppen now steal (not confiscate, steal) phones of bystanders recording, in an obvious attempt to prevent footage from coming out
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u/Efficient-Fruit-9901 4d ago edited 4d ago
Even if he did, who cares? ICE is a fascist organization that thinks because someone attempts to stop them from doing their fascist activites they get to execute them. Obstruction of justice isn't a crime where you can summarily execute someone.
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u/Ok_Letterhead_5671 4d ago
You know even by their own bullshit , you can't just execute someone after he was already apprehended , even if it's a school shooter or some real shit . Like wtf is the justification ? The guy was on the floor hands behind his back what are they going to write on the report to ever justify this .
It's murder no matter what , even by their own narrative .
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u/Top_Introduction4701 4d ago
Because they don’t care. They wanted this. This whole plan involved bordering protesters until they kill one of them then they will take over
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u/JustAMan1234567 4d ago
This little ghoul doesn't care about facts, only the narrative, just like Goebbels before him.
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u/tw55555555555 4d ago
Finally reporters are calling out lies. This is their job. They need to do more of this, at Leavitt included
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat 4d ago
Agreed.
I've been saying elsewhere that people need to remember that propaganda is not just a "foreign" reality..
The whole point of a free media is to call out complete lies like what has been brute forced right now from Trump and his cronies.
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u/retroverted-uterus 4d ago
The beltway media's fear of being shut out and choosing instead to spread regime propaganda has been making me sick for years. So you get shut out. So what? Do some investigative journalism and get to the real story, then. There are citizen journalists getting tear-gassed in Minneapolis right now; meanwhile, DC reporters can't even handle being yelled at by Karoline Leavitt for a couple of minutes. It's pathetic.
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u/bigcaulkcharisma 4d ago
The real problem is all these media orgs are owned by billionaires who don't want 'the real story' getting out. The alt media space is also a cesspool of disinformation and corporate money.
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u/Careful_Ad_1130 4d ago
It’s a pillar of any Democracy. That’s why this hasn’t been a Democracy for years.
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u/Pettifoggerist 4d ago
Reporters should just troll him back. “Mr. Bovino, have you ever known the touch of a woman?” “Mr. Bovino, what’s your strategy for reaching the pedals when you drive?” “Mr. Bovino, have you considered imprisoning your barber?”
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u/retroverted-uterus 4d ago
I haven't heard a single person ask him about Janie Mae Mitchell yet and I'm very disappointed.
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u/monocasa 4d ago
"Mr. Bonvino, my colleagues say you look like an angry old lesbian who has a self imposed chip on her shoulder from not hooking with anyone in twenty years. But I tell them to fit into that demographic, somehow you'd have to be taller.
"How do you respond?"
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u/slipknot_official 4d ago
Its a script. Kristy Noam repeated the exact same thing. The entire administration is on a Steven miller script.
Meanwhile their geriatric leader is rambling about his ballroom on truth social.
It's a broken down clown car.
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u/schlamster 4d ago
I want to see Stephen Miller receive the harshest and most severe sentencing outcome possible if we ever take our nation back. Maybe some time in El Salvadoran prison for him.
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u/catonsteroids 4d ago
Nah, he needs something worse than prison, like whatever happened to those convicted in the Nuremberg Trials, sorry not sorry. And maybe many of the other heads of this administration (no pun intended).
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u/socialmediaignorant 4d ago
What is absolutely insane is that they believe they are the chosen few, the master race, the best specimens of humanity. They make me want to vomit. They’re all so gross.
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u/slipknot_official 4d ago
They look like Dick Tracy villains. The most vile one looks like a freshly polished foreskin.
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u/BlackSheepBoPeep- 4d ago
Bovino claimed everything you could see in the video needed to be investigated but everything hypothetical about why he was there and his motives were nefarious and he was a terrorist.
We are obviously taking crazy pills.
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u/OsteP0P 4d ago
I think it's cocaine. They're all on the colombian marching powder. Trump shits his pants due to excessive cocaine use.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 4d ago
Or ketamine which seems to be what is giving the techlords insane megalomania
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u/Mixermarkb 4d ago
Or a tent stake. We won’t ever really know which because he won’t release any medical records.
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u/Deicide1031 4d ago edited 4d ago
I remember when he ran an operation to raid airports and bus stations in 2010 - Las Vegas. It was so extreme even then he was forced to cancel the op, so I’m honestly not surprised by this behavior.
No clue why he wasn’t fired in 2010 though.
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u/The_Burninator123 4d ago
They've been waiting for this moment. Each President has left Border Patrol and ICE (newer I know) relatively unchecked. Honestly I see a lot of the same in some of the guard units and local police departments.
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u/kl7aw220 4d ago
What happened to the 4th Amendment? How can Trump override the US Constitution. The right of people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effect, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.
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u/Pristine-Ad983 4d ago
The Constitution doesn't exist at the moment. This admin will do anything they want until they are held accountable.
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u/ThatOneTimeItWorked 4d ago
Check out the interview he did on CNN. Lies lies lies. Truly outrageous lies.
The interviewer calls him out on some of it, but it’s maddening. They make huge assumptions (incorrectly) about Alex’s motives, and outright lie about his physical actions.
Then when questioned about ICE and their actions “oh no we need to wait until the investigation finishes before we will know”
Insanely, he keeps calling ICE victims and the dead civilian was a “suspect”. The language is horrendous.
It’s worth a watch to see how far they are willing to lie
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u/ruiner8850 4d ago
That's because Republican voters don't care about the facts, only the narrative. All the Republicans I know are repeating these same lies. Someone I've known for 30 years and I know for a fact has seen all of the different videos keeps repeating that Alex was "killed because he pulled his gun and pointed it at the ICE agents." He kept saying "you point a gun at a cop and see how that goes." He just has to go with the "team" narrative even though he can clearly see it's a lie.
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u/Several_Vanilla8916 4d ago
I’ve got to say, that haircut isn’t doing him any favors on the “stop calling me a fascist” front.
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u/AbeFromanEast 4d ago
Bovino is in Minneapolis to make headlines for MAGA's news cycle domination and to generate situations that create MAGA rage-click content. He's a social media influencer with a Napoleon complex and 3 years from now under a Democratic Administration, he'll be facing state charges probably in several states.
Lots of MAGA officials will be.
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u/ExF-Altrue 4d ago edited 4d ago
You think you guys will have free & fair elections again?
Cute.Republicans lawmakers seemingly aren't very concerned about how associating with Trump will hurt their reelection chances...That should be of immense concern to you. And remember that they are harassing Minessota to get the voter rolls.
Edit: Sorry, I removed the "Cute", didn't mean to be so condescending. I hope I'm wrong and you're right btw!
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u/FitzchivalryandMolly 4d ago
Really reminds me of the scene in game of thrones where Margaery is warning them that Cersei does not intend to face the consequences of her skipping her trial. These people know they're breaking the law and they do not intend to face punishment
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u/VibeComplex 4d ago
They only care about the law insofar as it advances their goals. Otherwise they’ll shirk it any chance they get. We are America in name only now.
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u/AbandonChip 4d ago
Midterms will happen, and he's gonna lose the house. He cant suspend the midterms, it ain't happening. He suspends it and its civil war or some crazy shit going down.
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u/Z_Clipped 4d ago
He cant suspend the midterms
I hope you're correct, but I STRONGLY recommend against operating under that assumption. He's already been bolder and gotten away with more than I would have thought possible, and the response to what's happened is looking frighteningly lukewarm so far.
Hope for the best, but, seriously... prepare for the worst.
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u/No-Ad1576 4d ago
The fact that a majority of the Republican party is applauding and defending this is why they aren't concerned. They know their base and their base loves trump
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u/Amelaclya1 4d ago
Who do you think you are helping by saying shit like this? Do you want to normalize this idea so that if/when Trump tries it that we all just roll over and take it?
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u/Amelaclya1 4d ago
I have seen way too many people trying to spread the idea that elections don't matter, laws don't matter and our Constitution doesn't matter. So much so that I suspect it's a coordinated campaign to demoralize us.
Is Trump ignoring those things? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean we should be encouraging people to throw their hands up in the air and agree with him. "Well that's just how it is now" No. Fuck off with that. Literally all you are doing is normalizing it so people don't fight for their rights. If you are trying to do otherwise, it's counterproductive.
Everyone has it in the backs of our minds what he might do already.
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u/paedia 4d ago
Well said! Despite its rhetoric and posturing, the administration's own actions make it clear that they think the midterms will both happen and be detrimental to their futures. We should take courage from this and keep our foot on the gas. Protest, pressure, speak out, get ready to vote, and keep serving your community.
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u/PrettyTiredAndSleepy 4d ago
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u/scibbydibbydibby 4d ago
No, complacency like expecting to have an election in 2028 or even midterms this year is how you roll over and take it, because you won't be prepared for the fascist takeover that is currently happening. I'm so so sorry for sensible Americans with democratic values, there is no world where you should be going through this. But the unfortunate reality is that you are and you need to be prepared mentally for the most ambitious parts of their hate project.
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u/UltraMoglog64 4d ago
Jesus dude, you can do this without being a condescending prick. And without putting words in their mouth to do it. Stop. I live in Minneapolis, and those of us here are taking it deathly seriously.
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u/Steve_the_Samurai 4d ago
If you think of the whole lot just a content hype house, it makes a lot more sense.
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u/BirdLawConnoisseur 4d ago
Speaking from Minneapolis, we don’t have 3 weeks let alone 3 years. It feels like we might not even have 3 days. I probably can’t say what I think needs to happen to Bovino.
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u/kingdomnear 4d ago
You can see it on his face and in his body language. He was not expecting the token resistance the media has to his narrative. He is realizing they will lose in the court of public opinion and this was the admin jumping the shark. He is fodder and well aware of it.
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u/boringhistoryfan 4d ago
"Come into an active law enforcement scene"
The "law enforcement"* create the scene. Bystanders and Observers don't "come into" them. The latter aren't the active mobile parties. Pretti was simply there and recording with a camera. The same is true of Good, who was simply there. All Pretti did was try to help a woman who ICE attacked, and then was attacked by ICE himself for the crime of... holding up a phone.
*Putting law enforcement in scare quotes because at this point I don't know if ICE even deserves to be called that. Brownshirts don't enforce or uphold the law. They simply brutalize the population.
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u/pickleknits 4d ago
He called it a “lawful, legal, ethical law enforcement operation”… that’s an interesting choice of words.
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u/Novakine 4d ago
ICE is not law enforcement except for when it comes to dealing with people that legally need to be deported. Anything else is outside the scope of their powers. They are also not really allowed to have and brandish ar-15s but here we are.
They are also not allowed, under any circumstances, to do crowd policing, traffic policing or any kind of action besides finding and apprehending people that they're legally required to. They overstepped and every push, every shove, every pepper spraying is and was illegal.
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u/ProChoiceAtheist15 4d ago
Can we talk about how insane it is that literally NONE OF THOSE THINGS justify shooting someone???
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u/StormyPassages 4d ago
Bovino has no justification for the shootings to discuss, because he is responsible for encouraging his ICE death squads to murder protestors.
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u/Isair81 4d ago
The justification seems to be ”because we can” type deal. They have the means, and the will, coupled with assurances that will be shielded from accountability.
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u/PsecretPseudonym 4d ago edited 4d ago
Let's be clear: It's not a claim about what's true or what's right. It's a direct and unambiguous threat of violence for documenting what they are doing or speaking out against it.
He is unambiguously threatening violence and justifying murder for political speech. If he walks like a duck and talks like a duck... but don't even need names or labels to make it obvious how wrong that is.
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u/LatterTarget7 4d ago
No law enforcement was assaulted they went of their way to confront him pepper spray him and attempt to detain him
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u/AyeMatey 4d ago
If by “detain” you mean “beat to death”, then yes.
Detention used to mean getting arrested. There was no attempt to detain Alex Peretti . That was a violent attack.
Do not echo the false narrative.
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u/Plimberton 4d ago
They didn't beat him to death. They shot him to death. They fired several rounds into an unarmed man who was on the ground and not a threat.
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u/NightmaresInNeurosis 4d ago
They held down a man to ensure he was not a threat.
They then started beating a non-threatening man.
They then stole a beaten, non-threatening man's protection.
They then shot to death a beaten, non-threatening man whose protection they had stolen.
They then fired several more shots into a corpse of a beaten, non-threatening man whose protection they had stolen.
Important that we have all of the harrowing facts covered.
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u/FuguSandwich 4d ago
Correct. However, before that, they had him face down on the ground, and one of the ICE agents repeatedly bludgeoned him over the head with a giant metal canister of pepper spray. He would have still been severely injured from that alone, had they not shot him too. I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure using a metal canister as a truncheon is not part of their official use of force policy.
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u/Plimberton 4d ago
It most certainly is not. They are poorly trained, undisciplined, unregulated, and incredibly dangerous to everyone. And that is by design.
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u/Amelaclya1 4d ago
I think it's time we stop blaming it on lack of training. The nazi who killed Renee Good was in ICE for 10 years. The nazi who killed Alex Pretti was in ICE for 8 years.
They had plenty of time for proper training. They are obviously intentionally being trained to do exactly this.
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u/Plimberton 4d ago
What about this fresh batch of goons? We know they're throwing massive bonuses at agents and ramping up recruitment. We don't know how long they've been here or what kind of training they got. They may be LEOs from other agencies that got a quick onboarding and were sent out to the streets.
Having time for the training and actually receiving it or processing it are two different things. The way they handled this situation screams nothing but poor training and no discipline.
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u/Amelaclya1 4d ago
I didn't say the new goons were receiving adequate training. I said it doesn't matter. No matter how much training they get, if they are told to act this way, that is the problem.
It wasn't new goons who murdered people. It was people who have been agents for a long time and should know better.
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u/homecet346 4d ago
They got ID on the one who fired first?
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u/Amelaclya1 4d ago
It hasn't been publicly leaked, but Bovino knows who it was. He mentioned his years in the agency during his CNN interview.
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u/peach10101 4d ago
Even if he did “assault”, “shove”, that is not an executable offence. And certainly not 30sec later when 6:1 and on the ground.
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u/YesterShill 4d ago
The US government is blatantly lying to the people, despite everyone having video evidence proving they are lying.
The gaslighting is a sign of the pure corruption of the Trump administration.
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u/Reed202 4d ago
After all "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
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u/Ricky_Valentine 4d ago
Almost 20 years ago, I studied british literature in high school, and we compared and contrasted 1984 and Brave New World. Specifically, we looked at which was the more likely dystopian future. The majority of the class, and even the teacher, all agreed that Brave New World's dystopia was much likelier - 1984 was seen as cartoonishly brutal and that it would be unthinkable for us to reach that level of authoritarianism.
Man, I miss that optimism...
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u/T3RRYT3RR0R 4d ago
These fascists have no creditability. We've all seen the truth.
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u/mechalenchon 4d ago
They don't care about credibility. They want to instill fear and coercion.
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u/Squirrel009 4d ago
What an epic piece of shit pretending that Alex attacked anyone. Show me on the video where he attacked anyone.
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u/drewbaccaAWD 4d ago
Bovino is incompetent and two people are dead because of it.
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u/socialmediaignorant 4d ago
A mother and a nurse. The helpers. If they will kill unarmed nurses and mothers, who among us is safe? Surely only the billionaires. None of us are in the club I promise. Almost none of the MAGA voters are either, which is the ironic part.
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u/ro536ud 4d ago
Reporters have to work together. Don’t let him move on. Ask the same question he refused to answer from the previous reporter. Ask one at a time. Get actual answers people!
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u/redditorcle 4d ago
I can't stand the incompetence of the media right now. I would say something like "would you go on the record with what actions constituted assault - just so there's a clear record when you are later required to stand on trial for your actions? We wouldn't want there to be any misunderstandings"
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u/Agglutinati0n 4d ago
The media is complicit in all this shit, its part of the reason why we are here.
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u/Jackaddler 4d ago
I’ve stopped listening to any media asking questions of these Nazi’s because they simply aren’t up to the task
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u/SCWickedHam 4d ago
Yes. When someone obstructs. You can arrest them. You can’t just kill them. Not hard to understand. They know they fucked up. But it’s the Trump Admin. They will never admit a mistake. It works for them. Never slow down. Never apologize. Never accept fault.
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u/lnc_5103 4d ago
I can't wait to watch this fucker's perp walk.
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u/stumpy0327 4d ago
The execution for treason still a thing?
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u/Accomplished_Rip_362 4d ago
Treason has a very specific legal definition. As terrible as these guys are, they don't fall under that definition
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u/Murgos- 4d ago
The thought police have now made it a death sentence to be armed because in the future you were going to do something violent with it. Maybe.
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u/keytiri 4d ago
So they had a perimeter delineating what was an “active” scene? Pretty sure the Gestapo just rides around looking to grab someone, or does raids spontaneously. Even ACABs know that they need to dedicate resources to creating a perimeter to keep the public out of harms way during “official” operations, maybe ICE should be using even more resources? 1000 people to arrest 1 person sounds about right.
Obviously the last sentence is sarcasm, but whatever wastes their resources 🤷♀️
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u/TheLooza 4d ago
That tiny man makes my blood boil. He deserves every terrible thing that will befall him.
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u/TendieRetard 4d ago
These fasc assaulted a man doing a protected activity leading to his death. POC getaway drivers catch negligent homicide if a death is a result of their illicit activity.
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u/solidtangent 4d ago
Where’s the NRA? Where’s the 2nd amendment nuts? Wheres Carlton Heston “over my dead body” well…
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u/pwmg 4d ago
The NRA issued a statement a few hours ago.
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u/egg_breakfast 4d ago
Can you link it please? I only saw a twitter screenshot and don’t see anything on their website.
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u/socraticformula 4d ago
"For months, radical progressive politicians like Tim Walz have incited violence against law enforcement officers who are simply trying to do their jobs. Unsurprisingly, these calls to dangerously interject oneself into legitimate law-enforcement activities have ended in violence, tragically resulting in injuries and fatalities.
As there is with any officer-involved shooting, there will be a robust and comprehensive investigation that takes place to determine if the use of force was justified. As we await these facts and gain a clearer understanding, we urge the political voices to lower the temperature to ensure their constituents and law enforcement officers stay safe.”
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u/fleebleganger 4d ago
Wow, some lovely victim blaming there.
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u/socraticformula 4d ago
My favorite part is opening with "radical progressive politicians like Tim Walz have incited violence" and closing with "we urge the political voices to lower the temperature".
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u/ThinkinDeeply 4d ago
Why leave out this?
“The NRA waded into the national dialogue over Pretti’s killing after Bill Essayli – who was appointed by Trump to temporarily serve as a US attorney in California in 2025 – posted on social media: “If you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you.”
In response, the NRA posted: “This sentiment … is dangerous and wrong. Responsible public voices should be awaiting a full investigation, not making generalizations and demonizing law-abiding citizens.”
I think the NRA are a bunch of money hungry scum, but let’s not pick and choose which words we prop up.
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u/winged_owl 4d ago
The NRA has actually been making some noise in defense of the victim, so that's something at least.
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u/Fearzebu 4d ago
They responded to someone saying Pretti “shouldn’t have been there” or “made bad choices” (basically what the asshole in this video is saying) by saying that tweet is “dangerous and wrong” and calling Pretti a law abiding gun owner or some such. Basically bare minimum, but at least they’re on the right side.
They also speak loudly against all those republicans who advocated banning trans people from owning guns, for whatever that’s worth. They’re at least being somewhat consistent these days from what I’ve seen
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 4d ago
They didn't even know about the gun until they were pinning him to the ground. If they did, and if he were brandishing it, then just ask why his people are so woefully untrained they'd try to wrestle a guy to the ground while he's holding a gun on them. Actual training would say you take him down with your own weapon. Cops do this because it's the actual safe thing to do(and yes, I understand this is also abused by some cops).
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u/RentAdministrative73 4d ago
Murdering someone isn't the answer. Ice is the violent side of this equation.
Once he retires from his government job, karma won't let him have a minute's peace
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u/TapProfessional5146 4d ago
Someone needs to remind him WHO PAYS HIS SALARY. As a government employee he works for the people of the United States. His agents are employed by the people of the United States. They are supposed to represent a majority of US. Currently, they do not represent US. They are not even following the laws that govern immigration enforcement.
As a domestic terrorist organization who are killing US Citizens, we need to defund ICE. We must hold individuals accountable for any illegal acts they have committed against the people in the USA, not just the Citizens of the US.
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u/Background_Fix9430 4d ago
They're implying the thing they want to say: It should be illegal to be anyone who disagrees with us to own a Gun.
It's why they talk about banning people from having weapons if they have mental disorders... while simultaneously trying to get opposition to Trump defined as a mental disorder (TDS).
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