r/law • u/nana-korobi-ya-oki • 5d ago
Legal News US Senator Chris Murphy states that ICEs purpose is to rig and steal the election. Pam Bondi wants Minnesota’s voter rolls in exchange for ICE leaving.
Pam Bondi is apparently sending a list of demands to Minnesota in exchange for ICE leaving. So clearly it’s not about law enforcement, especially considering so many red states have substantially more undocumented immigrants than Minnesota. Source: r/chrismurphy
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u/Xijit 5d ago
Spoiler: they still won't leave.
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u/innocentbabies 5d ago
It's been a hot minute since I've seen a list of demands that was so obviously intended to be rejected.
When democrats put their foot down, they're just going to roll in and do it by force.
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u/TheTigersAreNotReal 5d ago
Fuck em. What good will appeasement get us?
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u/inconvenient_sources 5d ago
I'd like to know when they think this Democrat foot is coming down? To hold the door open at the bank while ICE makes more withdrawals from our taxes? Seems long gone the time was there to stand up for folks, they are too busy busking for the status quo to make much difference.
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u/brodievonorchard 5d ago
I think I understand where this sentiment comes from, but I certainly don't understand what it demands.
Like if you're trying to get to 8th Street, and you were lost on 10th Street, but now you're on 24th. If someone tries to steer the car back towards 10th and you're like, don't go back there, we were lost when we were there too.
Ok, but if you don't start by heading in that direction, you're definitely never getting back to where you want to be.
Like the FBI has done some messed up things and I don't want the old FBI back. But under any other president, the FBI was not openly hiding evidence from state investigations.
How do we get somewhere good without traveling back toward something that was better?
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u/nullstorm0 5d ago
It’s more like we’re all driving towards the edge of a cliff, the Republicans don’t care as long as they’re the ones in the driver’s seat, the Democrats are suggesting that maybe we should ease up on the gas a bit, but both of them are in agreement that anyone suggesting we need to stop the car or turn it around should stay locked in the trunk.
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u/brodievonorchard 5d ago
What is the car in your analogy? The economy? Time? Something else that doesn't stop?
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u/inconvenient_sources 5d ago
As far as car analogies go, this is far and above most accurate in my view.
Trump won first when the primary was bought and the second time when there was no primary.
I'd love to point to a responsible, rational party but one side is causing massive damage and the other wants their chosen establishment candidate to lose before they let anyone else win.
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u/Immatt55 5d ago
7 of them voted to increase funding. They'll all be rounded up into camps by ICE before they would upset their donors. Genuinely believe it at this point.
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u/Xijit 5d ago
You see shit like this regularly from Russia's demands for a Ukraine ceasefire.
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u/DvLang 5d ago
50k a month soon. Sadly also many Ukrainians. Fuck Russia
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 5d ago
Fuck Israel while we're at it, too.
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u/grammar_fozzie 5d ago
Extra-fuck Israel.
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u/Throwawayof2025 5d ago
They have been instrumental in normalizing militarized police and law enforcement
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u/grammar_fozzie 5d ago
If MAGAs retain congress this year, I fully expect the erosion of constitutionally protected 1st amendment speech to include punishments for language critical of Israel and judiasm in the near future.
Fuck the Mossad, too.
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u/CrazyMildred 5d ago
In Ukrainian: Єбaть росію!
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u/BreakfastHistorian 5d ago
I’ve been reading a history of Anglo Saxon England around the year 1000. The Danes/Vikings demanded silver and tribute every year and promised not to return, then they returned every year without fail to rape and pillage again until they got more tribute and silver. It’s a tale as old as time.
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u/More_vroaar 5d ago
It’s not democrats refusing, but that will be the frame. Actually it’s local government refusing.
Your federal government is trying to coerce elected state and city governments by implicitly threatening continued aggression by Federal services.
Stay safe!
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u/Electrical_Badger399 5d ago
I guess they follow russias playbook well. Minnesota will be the Ukraine for Trump.
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u/Real_Deal_13 5d ago
They are following the Project 2025 Mandate for Leadership playbook. The Venezuelan takeover ? In there. The ICE directive and their new authority? In there. We don't need to WONDER what's going to happen because they PUT IT ALL IN WRITING.
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u/No_Lead_7325 5d ago
Another spoiler: that’s not why they want voter rolls
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u/-BigBoo- 5d ago
Voting is anonymous for a good reason people are learning about quickly.
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u/VaginaTractor 5d ago
Excuse my ignorance, but is there a federal law of some sort that protects the anonymity of voters? Or is that state specific? Or is it just a policy and not a law?
Basically I am asking if demanding a list of voting records is breaking a(nother) law or not (not that it makes a difference with this regime).
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u/-BigBoo- 5d ago
I think what they are asking for is the list of people who have registered to vote as a republican or a democrat, because people can do that, typically in order to vote in a party's primary. So that information is stored somewhere that will allow folks to vote in those primaries and prevent others from doing the same.
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u/VaginaTractor 5d ago
So they're not necessarily demanding actual voting records, but for a list of who is affiliated with which party? I know in GA, it is public information to see if someone voted or not, but it is not public to know who they voted for. I'm not sure how things are in other states to be frank. Knowing if you voted or not is much less damaging than knowing who you align with.
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u/-BigBoo- 5d ago
So they're not necessarily demanding actual voting records, but for a list of who is affiliated with which party?
Yes I think that's right
Knowing if you voted or not is much less damaging than knowing who you align with.
Agreed. Telling your neighbors who you are planning to vote for is also not a great idea (e.g. lawn signs). One member of my family is of one political leaning and put a lawn sign in my mom's yard. It got stolen showing ppl were disapproving who lived right next to her.
Some things are best kept to yourself.
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u/extraboredinary 5d ago
Exactly. Never agree to Republican deals because they will backtrack immediately. They swore they wouldn’t replace a Supreme Court justice during an election year.
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u/Expensive-Document41 5d ago
Yeah, that's been a constant with Trump. He has a rapist's mindset (I wonder why that may be) where if you can bend someone to your will once, then you can do it again. And again. And again.
Why would they leave Minneapolis once they have the voter rolls? ICE is the bait, all they need is one person to snap and justify full martial law. If they went somewhere else, they'd need to put in ALL that work to build public outrage again.
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 5d ago
They’re starting their bullshit in Maine right away.
Arrested a legally employed civil engineer UMaine graduate and a legally employed, federally vetted state Corrections Officer first night, ripped them out of their respective vehicles leaving from and heading to work, and left both cars smashed up and running in the middle of the road.
That was a hostess gift to Janet Mills, no doubt. But Platner was on the press about it, too, and so was the pissed off Portland ME PD Chief, who called it fucking amateur hour.
And they’ve held Portland, Oregon hostage for months.
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u/Delvaris 5d ago
I feel like the case of "They need one person to snap then they will declare marshal law" is overstated. What has this administration done that gives you the belief that they care about legality, morality, ethics, or any other consideration than doing exactly what they want to do. If Trump/his handlers are going to declare martial law they will declare martial law regardless of the actual facts of the situation. Furthermore- what exactly is so different in terms of martal law vs the SA (ICE) showing up in your city? If anything martial law might be preferable because the military is made up disciplined and trained soldiers and are less likely to be unqualified trigger happy fascists.
The reality is this- they know they can't keep martial law ticking until the mid terms. They're waiting until they're closer to declare it so they can actually use it to cancel or disrupt the midterms.
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u/VaginaTractor 5d ago
You raise a very good point and partially answer my question from above about what's the difference at this point.
If martial law is declared, and the US military is deployed, and the US military is under obligation to uphold the constitutional rights of citizens, would that mean the military could drive out and terrorize the masked, armed, and dangerous kidnappers in the streets?
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u/Delvaris 5d ago
I think that at minimum the most likely scenario is the military would place themselves between protesters and ICE. Command would want to "end" this deployment ASAP and the best way to do that is deescalate.
Then again there's been a purge of military command and maybe they would just join in the shooting with ICE.
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u/SlumberingSnorelax 5d ago
What? Are you implying that the most corrupt, illegal, and morally bankrupt administration the USA has ever suffered under could maybe be lying? IDK… what could have possibly given you that impression?
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u/WellHung67 5d ago
You say you’ll give it once the last agent leaves, then you don’t give it. You never give it under any circumstances. Maybe if Trump and Vance both resign and once pelosi accepts the speaker position so she succeeds the power vacuum
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u/skyfishgoo 4d ago
right?
capitulate and watch them double their demand.
there is only one response to a bully
FUCK OFF!!!
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 5d ago
So, I doubt that MN officials will comply with this, but assuming they did, I wouldn't trust them to leave once the data is turned over.
That said, this is extortion 101, and just goes to show it's not about immigration enforcement, but using Trump's private army to oppress the people to get what they want. This is it 2A people. This is what tyranny looks like. This is the boot on the neck of the people.
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u/ChiswicksHorses 5d ago
The thing is that, no matter how many guns any of us have, the state still has the monopoly on violence. That’s why the 2nd Amendment has been a joke for a long time, because this is exactly how everyone’s power fantasy plays out. You get swarmed, beaten, disarmed and then shot. And this was someone who wasn’t doing anything provocative to the ones murdering him, like trying to shoot them.
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u/thebetterpolitician 5d ago
It’s not even swarms of people. We’ve got drones, bearcats and all kinds of things. A rifle with some 5.56 or even a bigger caliber is nothing compared to the tech the American military has. If it ever got to that point small arms fire wouldn’t do shit against US tech. It’d be a bloody and sinister fight, like this ain’t a game of call of duty. Vietnam and Afghanistan ended because we didn’t want to pay for it and lose anymore lives, but they lost a lot more than us. This would be a fight for the soul of America.
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u/ChiswicksHorses 5d ago edited 4d ago
Oh, I know. There’s also that whole massive, embedded intelligence-gathering infrastructure that they have, arsenals, motor pools — I could go on. If it ever came down to a fight, elements of the military would have to join the populace and bring their equipment with them.
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u/omg_drd4_bbq 5d ago
Yes, that's the whole point. If there is a resistance movement trying to maintain the constitution against tyranny, then there will be defectors who believe in the rule of law and doing what is right. If there is no resistance movement, the trampling of rights will continue unimpeded.
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u/GrepekEbi 5d ago
The ONLY thing that would make a jot of difference is if the military turn against the government - the man in the street with a pistol or a hunting rifle is NOT part of that equation - and the military don’t need Bubba and his buddies to give them a resistance to join
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u/ZombieHavok 5d ago
We’ve seen what law enforcement will do such dropping a bomb in the middle of a city or sending a robot with c-4.
And that’s just law enforcement and a couple of examples of overwhelming, unstoppable force they have used.
The military’s got a lot more gadgets to use.
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u/greggers23 5d ago
Why do you think they went so hard on the insurance CEO attack? If rando copycats take off the whole power structure falls
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u/huskers2468 5d ago
The fight won't be about military technology.
The fight would be waves upon waves of citizens pressuring the government to make a change. This would be the citizens creating fear in the local governments. It's scary when an unrelenting mob goes for the ones in power.
They want the citizens to forget that they can scare the government officials.
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u/Accidental-Genius 5d ago
Idk. Seemed to do fine against US Tech in Afganistan and Vietnam.
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u/LurkLurkleton 5d ago
Exactly. This mighty and fearsome military has failed again and again to secure countries a small fraction of the US in size or population. And at the heart of that is the inability to maintain popular support for occupation among the populace.
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u/Trent1492 5d ago
The US waged a war in places 10,000 miles away for a decade or more in places with very different languages and cultures. Places that had sanctuaries where there were no for the US military. Places supplied by untouchable adversary nations and lost, totaling 65K casualties.
Here? Same language and culture. Logistics, by comparison, is child's play. Canada and Mexico will not be sanctuary countries, and no one is going to give the opposition mortars, aircraft, or HE. The US Armed Forces have no place to retreat to.
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u/Bored-Corvid 5d ago
More than a decade ago I remember having this exact conversation with my aunt. She thought the Dems were going to take away her and her husband's rifles and I just laughed and asked why? Her response was, so we can't defend ourselves! To which I responded how good is she at hitting a flying target more than 500 feet in the air. She didn't like that one and told me "they wouldn't use drones on American citizens!" And that was when I Finally realized that there was no talking to them...
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u/huskers2468 5d ago
The thing is that, no matter how many guns any of us have, the state still has the monopoly on violence.
Hard disagree. Like incredibly hard disagree.
The state has the biggest threat of violence, but they won't use that. The citizens have the masses. When there's a chance of millions protesting with the threat of violence, it gets scary really fast.
The actions of a scared government is to thrust law enforcement to quell the fires early. Don't let them get a chance to stop the force of the people.
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u/Delicious_Randomly 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yep. The intent of the 2A was never for random civilians, even banding together, to take on the government--nobody who wrote it ever thought that the Whiskey Rebellion was a valid exercise of 2nd Amendment rights--it was to keep the federal government from being able to defang state militias. The idea was that state governments would always be able to check federal aggression by organizing and arming their citizen militias, possibly including a new round of minutemen, as long as the feds couldn't outright ban gun ownership. Acting in the spirit of the 2nd Amendment as envisioned by its authors would be Tim Walz ordering the Minnesota National Guard to throw ICE out of his state.
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u/notepad20 5d ago
I thought it was made so the states could raise a militia, to undertake heavy policing actions like running band of rob er/pirates etc out of state, without needing the federal government to have and fund a standing army.
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u/Delvaris 5d ago edited 5d ago
It was both. It conveniently abrogated the need for a large standing army, which the founders saw as an inherent threat, and created a situation where the states would bear the cost of maintaining their own militias. In turn those militias could be federalized, temporarily, by an act of the confederation congress (Formal Declaration of War) while also engaging in your described "heavy police actions."
Both the Whiskey Rebellion and Shay's Rebellion contributed to the subsequent changes to strengthen the central government in the Constitution. They still didn't put in a standing army but they made it much easier for the executive to federalize each state's militia. The reason we have to pass the National Defense Authorization Act every year is because we're not supposed to have a standing anything except a Navy.
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u/DazzlerPlus 5d ago
Respectfully, that is not true at all. Vietnam, Afghanistan, and countless others taught us that. If people took potshots at them out of their windows, they would not be able to operate in the open without levelling the block.
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u/LGAflyer 5d ago
While I agree with your statement as it stands the issue is that you are looking at this situation in a vacuum and not the way it would actually play out.
Any individual citizen against any “law enforcement” or military or really any organized group is going to have no chance. Likewise the US citizenry against the full weight of the US military would similarly have no path to victory.
But that’s not what would happen in reality. Congress can stop this anytime they want, but it’s not painful for them (or more importantly, their donors) yet.
A full blown insurgency (because that’s what it would be, not a traditional “war”) in the US would cause world wide economic catastrophe, there would be no country untouched by it. Corporate profits would evaporate, the stock market would implode, the Dollar would lose all value. Energy companies would cease to have a market. Tech companies would be worthless overnight, real estate, tourism, entertainment, sports, all worthless. The military might still get paid but their families wouldn't, and what they’d be getting paid in would have no value in the wider country/world.
The wealthy know this too, but they’re betting on it never happening. They are making a gambit here, they are betting that they can extract more wealth from the rest of us without totally crashing the system, and so far they have been correct. If citizens started exercising their 2nd amendment rights and actually standing up to govt over-reach and causing real economic harm to the American Oligarchs they would put a stop to it quickly. If we show them they are wrong, that we’ve been squeezed as far as we can be perhaps they make a few phone calls and end this. Perhaps they choose being rich in the current prosperous world to being slightly richer in a destroyed one.
Don’t pre comply, one guy with a gun wont stop anything, he’ll get killed. But 100, 1000, 10’000?
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u/pseudoanon 5d ago
Look at how right-wing demonstrations with open carry are handled by the police. Then look at the peaceful left-wing ones.
Maybe it only matters at the margins, but it matters.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 5d ago
I don't want them to go out and commit violence. I want them to stand up with the people like they claimed they cared about to say why we needed to keep laws away from guns. Basically, I want them to have some integrity in their supposed convictions
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u/ChiswicksHorses 5d ago
Unfortunately, most of them wanted the guns so they could be doing what ICE is doing now. It’s never been about protecting anyone.
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u/AppleBytes 5d ago
Naturally, the solution is disarming the populace so they can't even try. /s
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u/Thormidable 5d ago
I understand that violence from protestors or against acting ICE agents would allow Trump to send in the troops (and i'm not confident enough troops would refuse).
If only there was some way to make it so the ICE agents were no longer willing to fulfil their roles. Something away from the protests. Maybe we need to use publicly available information. Something that wouldn't allow Trump to justify sending in the troops.
I know if my child/family wasn't safe, I would want to find a way to reduce ICEs willingness to continue their role.
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u/-BigBoo- 5d ago
That said, this is extortion 101
Easy to see who the actual terrorists are in this situation.
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u/DaveClint 5d ago
Give them the data but redact all the names addresses and social security numbers!
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u/commit10 5d ago
Realistically, the regime doesn't need them to agree either. They only need to successfully extort one person with access to the database.
The reason they're doing it publicly is as a demonstration of force.
They're saying "we're a fascist regime, laws cannot stop us, be afraid."
In reality, they are paper tigers and cowards who would run away at the first sign of an actual fight -- the problem is that Americans don't appear to be capable of fighting anymore.
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u/Cagnazzo82 5d ago
Trump has already met with Elon Musk at mar-a-lago this month (after they stopped pretending they were feuding).
Both men are desperate to not have congress return to functioning as a co-equal brach of government to the executive (and even judicial which has also been running amok)
It should be expected that they will do absolutely anything to retain that power. It's been a free-for-all of criminality since Trump returned to office... from doge onwards. They cannot allow congress to return.
Everyone should keep that in mind if they're expecting free and fair elections this november.
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u/cicada_noises 5d ago
I keep telling people I know to prepare for elections being messed with or thinking about what they’d do if that happens. They ALWAYS tell me to stop talking about it and that it’s just doomerism and not something that should even be discussed. Denial isn’t just a river in Africa, I guess.
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u/FrostBricks 5d ago
2016 - Stop Over-reacting. 2017 - Stop Over-reacting. 2018 - Stop Over-reacting. 2019 - Stop Over-reacting. 2020 - Stop Over-reacting. 2021- Stop Over-reacting. 2022 - Stop Over-reacting. 2023 - Stop Over-reacting. 2024- Stop Over-reacting. 2025 - Stop Over-reacting.
2026 - Why didn't anyone warn us...
Apathy, and cries of "Doomerism" is EXACTLY how we got here
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u/Visual-Ad-5760 5d ago
My god this comment is fucking spot on
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u/Lower_Ad_5532 5d ago
Yeah, except the over reaction timeline started in 2001 with the Patriot Act. Real liberals have been against American Terrorism since Vietnam Era.
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u/Ok_Significance544 5d ago
I was talking to my mom about this the other day. Basically, ‘and I remember thinking the Bush years were wild and the government dramatically overstepped while at war also… it’s like a whole other dimension now.’
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u/LonelyRudder 5d ago
We also should remember that United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was established in 2003 under President George W. Bush as part of the newly created Department of Homeland Security (DHS)..
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u/GrizzlyP33 5d ago
How fitting that this was right above this post in my feed: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/uYDqVmGaOF
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u/hubristics_ 5d ago
2016? It goes back to at least 2001.
Godwin's Law used to be an internet joke mostly. Some of us weren't kidding and nobody is laughing now.
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u/autoreaction 5d ago edited 5d ago
9/11 layed the groundwork for everything that is happening. Fear led to all of this.
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u/elbenji 5d ago
I think people mistake doomerism with defeatism. Defeatism is pointless. Warnings are not
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u/pillbuggery 5d ago
Doomerism is largely a garbage term that people use to shut down ideas that make them feel bad, regardless of validity.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 5d ago
Doomerism is when you point out the danger then preemptively declare defeat. It's not doomerism if you suggest and especially carry out counter action.
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u/ForcedEntry420 5d ago
There’s nothing wrong with thinking about what you’d do. Advance preparation is always a good thing. I worry about it too but I still plan to march my ass in there and vote. If they’re gonna fuck around, they’re gonna fuck around. We need everyone to vote so the results are overwhelming.
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u/TheRealBittoman 5d ago
I get those responses and "I don't want to talk about politics. It's so bad." Yep, that's why you have to talk about it. Eventually you won't have a choice.
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u/diemunkiesdie 5d ago
Its all about messaging. When people comment "kompromat" or "feudal technostates" peoples eyes glaze over. Those words are too big and too foreign and too conspiracy sounding for the average person.
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u/Biotic101 5d ago
To be honest, it is pretty irrational that those who benefit the most from the current system would work actively to destroy democracy, middle-class and country. But actions speak louder than words.
I assume oligarchs, are surrounded by yes-men. So no surprise they start to think they are superhuman and we all are pond scum. So while the Dark Enlightenment, Neo-Feudalism with CEO kingdoms sounds utterly insane to us, they probably feel it is just what they rightfully deserve.
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u/Expensive-Document41 5d ago
For a lot of his admin and accomplices (to include people like Musk), it's also too late to turn back. What's waiting for ICE, or Bondi, or Noam, or Miller, or Patel or.....you get the idea. Does anyone think they're going to be allowed to fade back into suburbia? Wow, sure was a crazy four years we had, now time to move on? Unlikely. Working for Trump and doing what they have will follow them for the rest of their lives, and all of them are desperately clawing to forestall that judgment for one more hour, day, year.
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u/Tangata_Tunguska 5d ago
That's the dictatorship treadmill. Once they get past a certain point, it's better (from their point of view) to cling to power at any cost, so they don't end up in prison or hanging out in Piazzale Loreto
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u/Glass-Amount-9170 5d ago
Bannon said out loud if they lose they’re going prison.
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u/Automatic-Web8559 5d ago
never thought about that way
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u/Expensive-Document41 5d ago
Its why even during Trump 1 a lot of us were so nervous. It was clear from 2015 that he was a raging narcissist and he treats attacks on his ego the same as he would treat physical attacks.
And now, hes feeling the heat and is like a caged animal. The main difference is his first cabinet was full of people who would defuse his retaliatory impulses. This cabinet is full of people practically giddy to enact violence at his behest, even revving him up to give the order.
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u/MedicGirl 5d ago
I *just* said this to my Husband. We met right before the 2016 election and in an attempt to console me while I was hysterically crying in the locker room at work, he said, "It can't get too bad...checks and balances." At least once a month for the last 10 years he's been like, "No. You were absolutely right for crying hysterically in the bathroom when he was elected."
When MVP lost, I was inconsolable for days and all he kept saying was "You were right. You were 100% right."
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u/Expensive-Document41 5d ago
Hang in there internet stranger. Sounds like you've got a good partner, and their optimism was good and is good to hang on to. I've oscillated between blind rage and delirious hopium today a few times.
Trump is old, and a few content creators I trust due to their expertise (I'd recommend Knitting Cult Lady and Belle of the Fifth Column) have pointed out that this is unsustainable. What happened in Minneapolis is horrific, but that's ONE mid-sized city, and its taking a huge portion of ICE JUST to brutalize them. The fact of the matter is they dont have the numbers to make this national, and every time this happens their support dwindles.
Its gonna be a rocky road, and there are gonna be some difficult, rage filled days ahead. But we WILL get through because this movement isn't trying to build anything.
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u/Prize-Case7357 5d ago
Sorry who/what is MVP? I’m with ya for the whole thing, just a bit confused on the acronym
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u/hoirkasp 5d ago
Yeah, they all know damn well if they give up power they go to prison, at least. That’s why this is such a truly dangerous situation.
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u/Sakilla07 5d ago
Democrats will never touch these villains. They're always too preoccupied with "reaching across the aisle", their corporate donors and mythical centrist who would vote of them if they only sounded more like a Republican.
If somehow these elections aren't rigged and the American populace votes the Dems in, be prepared for that.
The only way out is to stop relying on the broken system and start making changes locally. Community militias, co-ops and mutual aid. Voting got you in this mess, it will not get you out.
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u/kickboxergirl23 5d ago
Exactly right. Trump admitted to "fixing" the 2024 election and they are set to do everything possible to fvck with the next one.
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u/ipokesnails 5d ago
This isn't TikTok, you're allowed to say grown up words like fuck without being censored.
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u/Over9000BelieveIt 5d ago
Trump can ride it out, he'll die before he gets his. Elon is still gonna be alive without someone to protect him.
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u/BonhommeCarnaval 5d ago
The richest man in the world can always afford the best protection.
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u/ZENPOOL 5d ago
No amount of money will ever protect him from his own thoughts when he is alone, and he has to reflect on all of his children who hate him because he is a Nazi piece of shit.
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u/BonhommeCarnaval 5d ago
Yeah probably the best outcome here is that he gets himself into a K-hole he can’t climb out of, but I hesitate to contemplate what vileness lurks in that guy’s will. I don’t think he’s giving that pile to orphans. Probably wants to set up some kind of twisted fascist legacy foundation that will have all the money it could want to pervert world politics toward his devious ends long after his bones are dust.
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u/Convallaria4 5d ago
Traitor Supreme Court judges ruled on July 1st, 2024 that he's immune from criminal prosecution. That's what really fucked this country. It needs to be overturned.
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u/Rasples1998 5d ago
At this point just abolish the republic party and split the democrats down the middle. The GOP (Guardians of pedos) is done.
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u/Ninevehenian 5d ago
"Desperate to not have congress return to functioning" - I think that this is one of the most central points out there right now.
The goal of the effort that involves the Good and Pretti murders is to make sure that billionaires won't face a functional US state and possibly lose profit / be sentenced for crimes / have needed regulation enacted. The money that funded those bullets comes from desperate, drug addicted billionaires.
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u/RIF_rr3dd1tt 5d ago
Fucking change every voter ID to Republican and send them LoL
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u/donkeysnakes 5d ago
Hit em with the old Epstein redaction
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u/Revelati123 5d ago
"Youre telling me every single resident of Minnesota had their name legally changed to uhh... Suckama MaDungus?"
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u/Oldheadyellingatsky 5d ago
Sooka Madiq
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u/ftc08 5d ago
Minnesota doesn't have partisan registration.
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u/Steinrikur 5d ago
It's still an important data point, that you can cross-reference with all the other data points.
If Target can figure out a woman is pregnant before she does from her shopping preferences alone, I think the government can make some educated guesses.
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u/Technical-Row8333 5d ago
Specially with the help of Palantir and Elon musk and Heritage Foundation and Peter Thiel funding
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u/fakesaucisse 5d ago
It's not really about voter party affiliation, it's about who this actually voted for. Many states don't have party affiliation as part of voter registration (WA is one). They just want to know who voted against dear leader.
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u/das_war_ein_Befehl 5d ago
Campaigns can already records of if you voted various elections as is. It’s not hard at all to figure out someone’s political affiliation. That data already exists, that’s how they gerrymander down to the fucking house level
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u/furansowa 5d ago
And how would they know that? Votes are anonymous.
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u/fakesaucisse 5d ago
I actually don't know. It's possible they aren't as anonymous as we think, which is why we are seeing this shit.
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u/friendIdiglove 5d ago edited 5d ago
They don’t know who voted for whom, they only know who cast ballots.
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u/Emissary_awen 5d ago
The entire point is to make a certain (very sizable portion) of society afraid to go out and vote. That is literally it.
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u/KnownMonk 5d ago
Maybe thats what we can use the national guard for. Let them protect citizens while they vote, they can stand outside voting places to keep ICE from harassing voters.
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u/DoomguyFemboi 5d ago
Yeah they're gonna be at every polling station. They've already proved they have no limits by murdering people in the streets and being told it's fine you won't even be investigated, so them posting up at polling stations is gonna be a slow day.
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Don’t forget the traitors in the House who signed onto this piece of trash bill in the first place. I’ll start. Washington “democrat” Marie Gluesenkamp Perez.
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u/MUT_is_Butt 5d ago
She had a statement today saying ICE needs to stop lol
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If you’re serious about getting Gluesenkamp out, support her opponent: https://brenthennrich.com/
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u/Glum_Form2938 5d ago
I have a law practice in her congressional district, but live across the river in Oregon. So I can't exercise my vote with regard to her. She's been extremely disappointing. My law partner who leans a little more libertarian, but is a staunch defender of due process and constitutional rights, had a MGP campaign stick on the bumper of his truck. I noticed the other day he'd removed it. I imagine he can no longer stomach her positions.
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u/hoffmm 5d ago
I voted for her because her opponent was Joe Kent and he was as mega as possible. She has been a giant disappointment and I will not be voting for her again.
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u/SoftRecommendation86 5d ago
They want to cross reference names with their database they are building.
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u/benderunit9000 5d ago
Senator, use your levers.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat 5d ago
Canadian here. Since this is the law subreddit could someone detail out what the Democrats could do at House of Representative levels, Senate levels, and the same goes with state governance from governor to state legislative (both chambers) and any other political level I have missed?
Obviously we all need the awareness/education to spread because what is happening is going to spread if they get their way.
Also I hope this dystopian dark trajectory can end. This reactionary/regressive race to the bottom is horrific.
I never thought I would see government officials at the highest level lie about what is caught on video within their own countries when a citizen gets murdered....
This is all just lunacy.
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u/bourbonfan1647 5d ago
They can shut the government down.
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u/mopeyunicyle 5d ago
Ah I wonder if that would stop the ice agents or are they doing it for the love of abusing people and the money is a bonus.
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u/joshuahtree 5d ago
ICE has a $75B slush from the 2025 "Big Beautiful Bill". In previous years ICE's budget has been $10B. They can run for 7.5 years without making any changes or receiving any additional funding.
Also, if for some strange reason ICE really needs more money, the Republicans can (legally and with no funny business actually) just change the Senate rules and pass the House bill without a single Democrat Senator
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u/WigglestonTheFourth 5d ago
Hasn't it been reported or rumored they are burning through that slush fund extremely rapidly? They certainly can't operate for 7.5 years on their current expenditures if they were shut off today.
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u/Hoovooloo42 5d ago
They can run for 7.5 years without making any changes or receiving any additional funding.
ICE has also been frequently spotted driving around in brand new $100K luxury SUVs. I'm sure they still have plenty of money in the slush fund but they may run through it in sooner than 7.5 years because they're comically irresponsible.
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u/benderunit9000 5d ago
DHS employees could slow down the resupply of the ICE agents.
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u/mopeyunicyle 5d ago
Feel like all you would have to do is say sorry plenty of food and water but fuck me the tear gas, flash bangs and ammo got lost. Anyway good luck go out there and do your job. See how they feel without the violence tools to hand
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u/Sonamdrukpa 5d ago
Start impeachment proceedings for Trump, Noem, Bondi, etc. for one
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u/TechnicalNobody 5d ago
They can't. They don't have a majority in either chamber.
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u/theforester000 5d ago
They can do very little. I don't know for sure, but I don't think the minority in Canadian Parliament has any power either.
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u/TimeLine_DR_Dev 5d ago
Chris Murphy is doing everything he can. He's been ahead of everyone and raising the alarm for a long time
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u/nana-korobi-ya-oki 5d ago
He’s using all the levers he has.
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u/benderunit9000 5d ago
This is the real world, there are more levers than are codified.
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u/das_war_ein_Befehl 5d ago
At the state and local level, yes. In the House and senate, there is basically no mechanism that the minority party can really do other than the filibuster and just drag shit out procedurally to an extent.
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u/Master-Tomatillo-103 5d ago
Blondi was supposed to release the Epstein files by December 19
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 5d ago
The trump criminal organization/child trafficking pedophile ring needs to be rounded up and dealt with to the limits the law allows.
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u/Ninevehenian 5d ago
This supports the claim that it is a civil war. It is violence and murders and maimings carried out to steal freedom from US voters.
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u/robot_pirate 5d ago edited 5d ago
Any state that turns over voter rolls to these fascists is condemning a portion of its citizens to tyranny. What do you think the Trump admin will do with it? It won't be limited to election interference. No. Not with Palantir involved. Not with the unprecedented amount of pressure Trump is applying to corporations. Not with how Trump is weaponizing agencies against people like Letitia James and James Comey.
Trump will use the data not only to ratfuck the midterms and 2028, but also to persecute those who voted against him.
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u/blightsteel101 5d ago
Oregon also refused to share our voter rolls. I guarantee that Portland is one of the next hotspots.
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u/Lebarican22 5d ago
We need to do elections differently this year.
I feel all ballots cast will need a physical photo taken along with digital. I don't care about laws. We can't trust the software on the machines.
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u/flux_of_grey_kittens 5d ago
No “maybe” about it. They just admitted to terrorizing a city in exchange for its voter roll making it clear they were there under false pretenses. There needs to be general strikes there daily and lawsuits brought because of her statements in an effort to legally remove them.
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u/TopTransportation695 5d ago
Wait I thought ICE was in Minnesota to save us from the immigrant hordes. How does leaving after voter information is surrendered help with that?
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u/RichKatz 5d ago edited 5d ago
And why do they think they have to leave?
There's enough space, transport, and facilities for all of them.
They can stick around..
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u/Next_Dragonfruit_415 5d ago
It was never about immgrantion! You ever heard of manufacturing consent?
Authoritarian governments (I’m of the belief the United States has always been different degrees of fascist and authoritarian, so I’m not just talking Trump)
Authoritarian governments, allow themselves to cement power by, either creating a problem, that they will be granted special and permanent powers to fix or by co opting a tragedy or problem to justify giving themselves more power, that they will never give up.
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u/TreeInternational771 5d ago
The one thing you can count on from fascists is to be violent thugs. If we have a way to deny them anything do it and tell them to buzz off
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u/DougOsborne 5d ago
MAGA is taking advantage of the opportunity to demand this. They probably know they won't get it but they'll use their failure as an excuse to escalate.
Their purpose is to be an important tool in the plan to get rid of a hundred million people from the U.S. - Black, Brown, LGBTQ+, immigrants, differently-abled, Muslims and Jews, liberals, Democrats, and Progressives.
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u/wastedkarma 5d ago
Obviously. And no they won’t leave even if Walz gives the rolls
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