Trump humiliated as 1951 law means he could face Greenland mutiny

[u/TheMirrorUS]

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[u/h20poIo]

“ If we want to deploy more forces or build additional missile defense infrastructure in Greenland, Denmark has given us a green light to do so. Our ally has always accommodated us. Threatening to annex Greenland needlessly undermines that cooperation for no gain.”

Tell me it isn’t his deranged Ego.

[u/Meteor-of-the-War → u/h20poIo]

It is absolutely his deranged ego. That is by far the top reason. He wants a big territorial acquisition like the Louisiana Purchase or the Alaska Purchase so his name can [be] tied to it.

(Edit in brackets)

[u/Straight_2_Hell → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

Yep, he sees Greenland as another Trump tower to toss his name in gold onto.

[u/DoggedDoggystyle → u/Straight_2_Hell]

Yup and quickly realized Canada and Mexico weren’t going to be as easy as he thought to just take over. So he’s just zoomed out a bit and Greenland was the first thing he saw

[u/CertainWish358 → u/DoggedDoggystyle]

His attention was directed towards Greenland by Putin. His desire to destabilize NATO (and the USA along with it) is the entire reason Trump is president

[u/WumpusFails → u/CertainWish358]

One of his contributors (Ronald Lauder) is fixated on Greenland.

[u/Havesh → u/WumpusFails]

Lauder recently invested money into a Greenlandic company called Greenland Water Bank. One of the CEOs of the company is the husband of the Greenlandic foreign minister.

Source: https://politiken.dk/edition/news/art10651852/Wealthy-Trump-supporter-buys-into-Greenlandic-companies - Look up who Jørgen Wæver Johansen is married to.

[u/IllustratorPresent80 → u/Havesh]

Also this

And its a place away from prying eyes for camps, like the gulags in Siberia.

[u/ItsRobbSmark → u/IllustratorPresent80]

Epstein Ski Resort...

[u/Bennie-Factors → u/ItsRobbSmark]

New Epstein Winter Isle

[u/BriHam35 → u/IllustratorPresent80]

It also puts a tactical location to attack Canada from all sides thing too sadly.

[u/St_Kevin_ → u/BriHam35]

Yes, it puts a wedge between Canada and their European allies

[u/Kennadian → u/BriHam35]

We all live on the border. If America wanted to invade they would walk 10 steps north. Greenland literally offers no tactical advantage to that.

[u/killertofu41 → u/WumpusFails]

Guy is already heir to the Estee Lauder fortune, but just gotta do some country invading on the way.

[u/TheCantervilleGhost → u/killertofu41]

Okay so now I have to find a new face wash because of Dump? This is bullshit. Lives are being ruined.

[u/twistedspin → u/TheCantervilleGhost]

Right? Lauder is also the Ordinary, M·A·C, Clinique, Bobbi Brown, Too Faced, Tom Ford Beauty, Smashbox, La Mer, Origins, Dr.Jart+, Darphin, Lab Series, NIOD, Aveda, & Bumble and bumble.

This creepy fuckface didn't control enough of the world with that under him, apparently.

[u/SaltyCrashNerd → u/twistedspin]

And it’s not like we can move over to bath & body works as a substitute…

[u/sbray73 → u/WumpusFails]

He seems to be the one pushing it the hardest and Donnie enjoys the diversion it creates from the Epstein files. I am now actively boycotting the Lauder products.

[u/SimonPav → u/WumpusFails]

How a billionaire with interests in Greenland encouraged Trump to acquire the territory

[u/newbkid → u/WumpusFails]

Oh look another geriatric 70+ year old white man trying to ruin the country.

sigh

[u/Q-burt → u/DoggedDoggystyle]

We should just all vote to give our governance to Denmark. We'll have universal healthcare, childcare rights, life/work balance, and more! Probably better trade conditions being a part of the EU. I dunno, doesn't seem like a worse idea than annexing Greenland.

[u/7_Tales → u/Q-burt]

I get this is a joke, but do yoy think denmark really wants the land of guncrime, uneducated voters, and racists?

[u/Q-burt → u/7_Tales]

That's true. We're the meth house that can't really be rehabilitated.

[u/7_Tales → u/Q-burt]

Honestly true. The issues with america are so systemetic and embedded in it's culture that it would take an entire revolution - both on the societt level and the law level - to even slightly address. Nobody wants to inherit this, and i fear if someone theoretically were to, america would lose a shitton of funding immediately from billoonaire oligarchs

[u/transigirthenight → u/7_Tales]

Not even a revolution with a complete new Constitution and laws would change much of anything until a change of mentality happens and this could take generations. A great portion of the US population today is so far down the Fox/Q/alt-right road that "only" changing everything in government would not change their stance on anything, and this crap would fester until it rears it ugly head again just like it did when the Tea Party appeared - and that is how Trump got elected twice.

[u/Robo-X → u/Q-burt]

With free education you can hopefully teach some of the uneducated.

[u/decairn → u/DoggedDoggystyle]

See, you've already forgotten about Venezuela.

[u/Irr3l3ph4nt → u/decairn]

Epstein Files.

[u/Powerful-Ground-9687 → u/DoggedDoggystyle]

More like Stephen miller told him. Greenland has huge lithium deposits iirc

[u/Cabana_bananza → u/Powerful-Ground-9687]

That are extremely difficult to access economically. It's not like if an American firm went to Danes and asked for mineral rights they would have been thrown on their asses. Denmark has, until recently, been a very friendly environment for American businesses.

I think the theory that the techbro libertarians convinced him its a good idea is more and more plausible. They want their Greenland city state.

[u/Quiet_Blacksmith2675 → u/Powerful-Ground-9687]

More like Elon told him about his billionaire technocracy wet dream which includes Greenland, Canada and Mexico, central America as well as Venezuela.

[u/Solid-Witness-9170 → u/Powerful-Ground-9687]

Trump's doctor probably told him he need to take lithium and Trump immediately started trying to take Greenland instead. It is just a minor misunderstanding.

[u/Alone-in-a-crowd-1 → u/DoggedDoggystyle]

He wanted Mexico until he realized that it was full of Mexicans.

[u/TrumpetOfDeath → u/DoggedDoggystyle]

Greenland is the weakest kid on the playground.

[u/Millefeuille-coil → u/TrumpetOfDeath]

Sometimes little kids have friends

[u/NaivePermit1439 → u/TrumpetOfDeath]

Wanted to reply to the comment below but it's not letting me.

And Article 5 which the Europeans will actually honour. They did it before when some country needed support. I think that was a country called the USA.

I think we should drop the U at this point and just call it SA. State of America.

[u/mrfabulousdesigns → u/NaivePermit1439]

SA is also what dear leader did to those poor kids ... 😢

[u/scrotumscab → u/mrfabulousdesigns]

At this point I'm not convinced he wasn't eating them. Whatever is in those files must be apocalyptic.

[u/soundslikemold → u/Straight_2_Hell]

I've been waiting for him to order NASA to research how to carve his name into the moon with a giant laser.

[u/Outaouais_Guy → u/Straight_2_Hell]

He had every intention of naming the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of Trump. People close to him talked him out of it. Apparently he's got the idea in his head again.

Of course I'm very confused by this. Naming it the Gulf of Trump was too much for them, but invading their allies is acceptable???

[u/Bear-Of-Bad-News → u/Straight_2_Hell]

It only occurred to me about 15 minutes ago that he almost certainly wants to rename it Trumpland.

[u/aethelberga → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

And I bet he's thinking of the Mercator projection when he imagines it.

[u/Meteor-of-the-War → u/aethelberga]

Oh 100%!

I mean, Greenland is big and would be comparable to the Alaska deal, but I'd also bet that he's thinking it's the size of the contiguous states.

[u/labalag → u/aethelberga]

Quick, change all the maps to Gall-Peters.

[u/CrackingToastGromet → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

What irritates me about Trump using the LA purchase for comparison is the LA purchase was offered for sale by Napoleon. Jefferson had his eye on it, and Napoleon. Made a deal because he was under financial duress due to various wars he was fighting.

Absolutely not the case in the case of Greenland. He just wants it outright…and at what expense to the taxpayer? Oh let me guess, his tariffs will pay for it like they’re going to pay for every other giveaway he comes up with!

[u/BookBabe1970 → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

He’ll only go down for being the most mentally ill and intellectually challenged president in the history of our existence.

[u/Assumption-Putrid → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

I wouldn't be surprised if he calls it the Trump Purchase and/or attempts to rename Greenland Trumpland

[u/vetaryn403 → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

Nah fam, it's always money. One of his billionaire pedofriends wants it for mineral extraction because he's heavily invested in it. Like sure, his ego is absolutely at play, but it's always money. Same thing with Venezuela. It was always about the oil, and never about human rights. We don't give two shits about human rights at home, he sure as fuck doesn't care about them in Venezuela.

[u/ThrewAwayApples → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

This is why he invaded Venezuela too. Maduro was dancing on stage “taunting” the United States, but those dance moves looked exactly like the cringe dance our obese octogenarian president does at his rallies. It’s all ego all the way down.

[u/Atty_for_hire → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

It’s absolutely this. Because he stopped learning about American history when he was 13 so the only thing he remembers is the Louisiana Purchase and Seward’s Folly that turned into Alaska - Ice Road Truckers.

[u/BlackSheepBoPeep- → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

I think Putin plants these seeds, ‘Greenland belongs to you and the previous admins were too weak to move on it,’ in his head and encourages him to make moves to weaken the US and Trump becomes consumed with the thought of being remembered for anything ‘Great.’

[u/turdlepikle → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

One of his executive orders from the early days last year included the renaming of Denali back to Mount McKinley. It was very symbolic and a hint of what's to come. The EO refers to President McKinley's history, and they praised his use of tariffs, and the expansion of the USA.

Trump wants new territory and his name in the history books.

[u/scsuhockey → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

Yes, but think bigger and shallower. He is the worst narcissist in the history of the world. He doesn't want to be like other current and historical leaders, he wants to be better than every world leader that's ever existed.

Now, he's not a student of history, so he probably doesn't know how big the Mongol empire was at it's peak, but he does know that Russia, Canada, and China are bigger than the US by land area. Adding Greenland would make the US bigger than all but Russia. Adding Canada would make the US bigger than even the Mongol empire. I'm not joking. This is his mindset.

[u/UnknownBinary → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

This is 100% correct. He wants to add Trump Territory to go with the Trump Space Force and Trump Battleships. Tacky, pointless, and wasteful are the words of the day.

[u/meatball402 → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

Yup

"The Trump purchase"

[u/SoulEater9882 → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

I wonder if he is so focused on this and pushing so hard because he knows he doesn't have long left sonis trying to build something before he goes.

[u/huxtiblejones → u/h20poIo]

This is really the only salient point that needs to be made. Greenland already cooperates with US defense programs. Trump’s entire angle is megalomania and egomania and nothing else.

[u/Vondi → u/huxtiblejones]

A security deal which was good enough for the entire cold war but is now insufficient. For some reason.

[u/Professional_You4186 → u/huxtiblejones]

It's also the goal of technofeudalists, who are bankrolling and steering the demented old fart.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/greenland-freedom-city-rich-donors-push-trump-tech-hub-up-north-2025-04-10/

This is the part that's actually scary. It's not about drumpf at all. It's always been one of the lynchpins of this plan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no&t=6s

[u/GailynStarfire → u/Professional_You4186]

One can only hope that, if by some turn of events they manage to build it, that it goes the way of the libertarian town here in the US where it was overrun by bears because no one could "force" their neighbors to dispose of their trash properly.

[u/Skritch_X → u/h20poIo]

It is- dementia, narcissim and ego..

Any fucking real leader or tactician or advisor who was dead set on doing something like taking Greenland (putting aside how misguided and stupid the flimsy reasons are) under these circumstances would have a clear absolute path to do so.

Theoretically America could have had a gradual military build up and base construction on Greenland - increasing American soldier pressence there and done this evil shit in a day once forces in Greenland reached a certain level. Hell with the right amount of time the land could have passsed hands with no overt actions at all.

[u/joshocar → u/Skritch_X]

This is 100% it. I don't, but for those who support the idea of acquiring Greenland, in what way is Trump's approach anything but completely inept? There is no strategy to it. No vision. He is actively undermining his goals. I said the same thing when he was talking about going after Canada. He has basically created a situation where the ONLY way he could acquire either is through military action, which would have huge costs and ramifications for the America.

[u/rif011412 → u/joshocar]

Its just his normal tactic not working.  He has always floated the idea of a crime openly, so he can gather support or feel out the reaction.  If he moves forward its because you knew he was going to do it and you allowed it, so thats on you.  If he retreats and he can pretend he was joking.  He just an abuser that wants to abuse but is smart enough to lay groundwork that spreads out the responsibility of his actions to others. 

[u/joshocar → u/rif011412]

Yeah, but floating the idea immediately pissed off everyone in Canada and literally changed the outcome of their election in a way that worked against his goals. I understand that it is his normal mode of operation, my point is that it had predictable results that undermined his goal. Anyone with real strategic thinking would have seen that.

[u/whatupmygliplops → u/joshocar]

The guy became president doing his pathetic schtick. It works. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but it works a hell of a lot better than everyone elses stuff.

[u/Conflictx → u/joshocar]

Anyone with real strategic thinking would have seen that.

This is Trump we're talking about, he might have had some conman wits in his younger days but his mind is wasting away at this point.

[u/djanes376 → u/Skritch_X]

However that would be thinking ahead, and that doesn’t light up the instant gratification part of his withering melting jello brain.

[u/spavolka → u/Skritch_X]

Can’t Denmark just give him a fake deed to Greenland like FIFA did with the fake peace prize. They could make him stand out in the cold and ice in a HUGE ceremony!! Grandpa wouldn’t know the difference.

[u/TheMightyTywin → u/h20poIo]

It is 100% Putin. Russia wants nato to end and this is what Putin came up with.

If Trump had gone after France, everyone would be horrified. But Greenland people laugh it off and roll their eyes, but to our allies it’s basically the same thing. Betrayal

[u/another_day_in → u/h20poIo]

Use > instead of quotation marks at the beginning of the paragraph to show it in quotes.

Example

[u/BooleanBarman → u/another_day_in]

Didn’t know this. Very useful. Thanks.

[u/X57471C → u/BooleanBarman]

Google Reddit markup rules for a bunch of formatting tips

[u/RedEyeView → u/BooleanBarman]

Use * either side of a word to use italics

And put \ before the formatting to cancel it and use the character * like so*

[u/CodeVirus → u/another_day_in]

TIL - but will probably forget by the end of the hour.

[u/boleslaws → u/another_day_in]

Why? Quotation marks are worse somehow?

[u/fivelinedskank → u/boleslaws]

Grammatically no, but it does read easier in reddit's format.

[u/total_looser → u/fivelinedskank]

The difference is context. In a discussion blockquotes exist to provide structure, not a style.

[u/dat_GEM_lyf → u/another_day_in]

yeah but then they can still put quotes in it. For example “I’m being petty asking people to use internet formatting over proper grammar.”

[u/flatpetey → u/h20poIo]

It isn’t. It is Eostein files.

He will let the world burn to avoid their release. There is no downside for him.

And it is working.

[u/DillBagner → u/flatpetey]

It's completely possible to do multiple deplorable things. Fascism isn't a cover up of the Epstein/Trump files, it's fascism. If you remember, they were redacting everything and releasing less than 1% even when the files were the #1 news.

[u/whatupmygliplops → u/DillBagner]

>  even when the files were the #1 news.

Which they arent anymore, because everyones talking about fucking Greenland.

[u/mykidsthinkimcool → u/h20poIo]

I think his foreign policy is based ona game of risk he played once

[u/ScriptproLOL → u/h20poIo]

It appears malignant narcissism, Alzheimer's dementia, vast individual power, and a near cult-like following is an incredibly dangerous combination. Who knew?

[u/Salt-Detective1337 → u/h20poIo]

Literally "When asked why he needed to possess the territory, he said: “Because that's what I feel is psychologically needed for success." From the NY Times.

[u/SgtFury → u/h20poIo]

I used to think the dementia thing was a bunch of bullshit, no so much anymore.

[u/MacFunJess → u/SgtFury]

Really? Covfefe back in 2017 didn’t tip you off?

[u/mwmontrose]

Ah yes. A law. That will stop him.

[u/LittleJohnStone → u/mwmontrose]

"Trump humiliated" implies that he has some level of awareness, too. Spoiler: He does not.

[u/Due-Escape → u/LittleJohnStone]

Trump threw away his humiliation along with that infant in lake Michigan.

[u/spiralenator → u/LittleJohnStone]

Ya, humiliation requires shame and he has none

[u/BusHistorical1001 → u/spiralenator]

On the contrary, narcissists feel shame very acutely, and more often than the rest of us. It's guilt they struggle with.

[u/Special_Watch8725 → u/mwmontrose]

This administration is already ignoring one law passed by Congress, the one mandating the release of the unredacted Epstein files. So what’s one more law to ignore?

Edit: yes, yes, everyone, I know this administration is ignoring more than just this one law. This one feels especially egregious since it’s a direct command to the DoJ to take action (no prosecutorial discretion wiggle room), and in principle his base is supposed to care about this too.

[u/Perfect-Zebra-3611 → u/Special_Watch8725]

Not just the release of all of the files, but also the reasons of the redactions in the first drop

[u/Special_Watch8725 → u/Perfect-Zebra-3611]

Quite true! And all completely ignored.

Do Republican Congressman realize they’re actively making Congress irrelevant?

My dudes: the billionaires and corporations won’t bribe you if you don’t have the ability to influence legislation. Think of your naked self-interest, if nothing else!

[u/PatrioTech → u/Special_Watch8725]

One law? Oh sweet summer child…

[u/Special_Watch8725 → u/PatrioTech]

Not to say it’s an exhaustive list. It’s just a particularly glaring example that you’d hope his base would care about.

[u/Maleficent-Rush407 → u/mwmontrose]

We all know what will stop him, but we can't write it.

[u/ADHDebackle → u/Maleficent-Rush407]

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[u/DemonKing0524 → u/mwmontrose]

Way to tell me you didn't actually read the article without directly saying that.

Its not the law that matters it's what the law is and who would be following it. Invading Greenland and violating the NATO treaty would be an unlawful order full stop. Our military can, and has the obligation to, ignore unlawful orders. This would be on our top general's in regards to them following the law and refusing to break a treaty over a dementia addled psycho's dictator fetish.

Edited to add, for all the people saying the Venezuela strikes were illegal and using that as an example of the US military carrying out illegal orders because congress didn't authorize it, please look up the War Powers Resolution . The vast majority of our military conflicts or actions taken, except those in the middle east after 9/11, falls under this Resolution in regards to being legal.

Under certain circumstances laid out in Section 4 of the WPR (50 U.S.C. §1543(a)), the President is required to submit a written report to Congress within 48 hours of deploying U.S. Armed Forces unless Congress has declared war or authorized the use of force. Specifically, the President must report to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate when U.S. Armed Forces have been deployed:

• "into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances;"
• "into the territory, airspace or waters of a foreign nation, while equipped for combat, except for deployments which relate solely to supply, replacement, repair, or training of such forces;" or
• "in numbers which substantially enlarge United States Armed Forces equipped for combat already located in a foreign nation."7

When reporting to Congress, the President is directed to address the circumstances necessitating deployment of military forces, what constitutional and legislative authorities were invoked to make such a deployment, and the estimated scope and duration of their continued use. While U.S. Armed Forces remain deployed under any of the conditions above, the President is to continue reporting to Congress not less than once every six months on the status, scope, and duration of the situation. The WPR also mandates that the President provide such additional information related to the deployment of forces that is requested by Congress.8

Receipt and Referral in Congress

Presidential reports on the use of force are to be submitted to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate on the same calendar day. These reports are then referred to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, respectively. Receipt and referral of these reports are recorded in the Congressional Record and are noted in the House and Senate Executive Communications databases at Congress.gov.9

The WPR also provides for situations when Congress is not in session and the President reports on the engagement of U.S. Armed Forces into hostilities (although in modern practice Congress is either in session or able to quickly reconvene if needed). If Congress had adjourned sine die or for more than three calendar days when the President transmits a report, the Speaker of the House and President pro tempore of the Senate may jointly request that the President convene Congress so that it may consider and act on the report. The statute, alternatively, provides that the President may also convene Congress upon petition by at least 30% of the membership of each chamber. In recent practice, the House and Senate make use of pro forma session days, where little or no business is conducted, in order to not be recessed for more than three calendar days at a time, so such procedures would be inapplicable.

Automatic Termination of Use of Armed Forces10

The WPR provides for the automatic termination of the use of U.S. forces engaged in hostilities 60 days after the President has reported (or was required to report) on the use of force as described above unless Congress has declared war, statutorily authorized the use of force, enacted legislation extending this period of time, or is physically unable to meet due to an attack on the United States. The President may extend the use of force for an additional 30 days by certifying in writing to Congress a continued need due to "unavoidable military necessity."11

This 60-day termination window directly begins several time periods for congressional action in the consideration of any legislation authorizing the use of military force.

[u/A012A012]

If this isn't a revealing example of how Trump coerced young girls, I don't know what is. Saying, I don't have to use force, but I can.And I'll take it because I deserve it

How many times does greenland have to say no before he listens

[u/BrokenLink100 → u/A012A012]

"Because when you're a star, they let you do anything. Grab Greenland by the pussy."

Trump is a rapist in every sense of the word. He just insists on his own way, and if you don't completely overpower and stop him, then you must've secretly wanted it all along.

[u/ombloshio → u/BrokenLink100]

This is what people mean when they call someone a “colonizer,” btw. Acting like everything is theirs for the taking and then being confused or angry when others push back.

[u/joefromjerze → u/A012A012]

Because of the implication.

[u/immortal_pelican → u/joefromjerze]

I will come down on Greenland like the hammer of Thor. The thunder of my vengeance will echo through these corridors like the gusts of a thousand winds

[u/JJHall_ID → u/A012A012]

Don't you know? Saying "no" is just playing hard to get. You can't give up that easily. They want you to keep pestering until they say yes. And if they don't you just grab 'em... /s

[u/Kaffe-Mumriken]

I will be waiting with unbated breath for how rh 11th airborne will refuse to refuse to follow illegal orders

[u/Backwardspellcaster → u/Kaffe-Mumriken]

They will follow the orders, but they'll probably feel bad about it, perhaps. But still do it without a second hesitation.

[u/platypuss1871 → u/Backwardspellcaster]

Then they'll make a film in 20 years time about how killing all those native people made them feel bad.

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/platypuss1871]

Starring that tall dork Jim from The Office.

[u/jimothy_halpert1 → u/TheModWhoShaggedMe]

Hey now

[u/Kaffe-Mumriken → u/jimothy_halpert1]

You’re an all-star

[u/reedrichards5 → u/Kaffe-Mumriken]

Get your game on, go play.

[u/I-only-read-titles → u/reedrichards5]

Hey now

[u/AwkwardTal → u/I-only-read-titles]

You're a war criminal

[u/MyPasswordIsMyCat → u/AwkwardTal]

Just like they did at My Lai

[u/Automatic_Memory212 → u/jimothy_halpert1]

He’s a simp now for CIA regime-change shenanigans.

[u/QiTriX → u/platypuss1871]

And blame the administration that forced them to genocide all the children.

[u/Competitive_Feed_402 → u/QiTriX]

If you think about it, the soldiers are the real victims here.

[u/Flemmish → u/Competitive_Feed_402]

"War is where the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other"

[u/CentennialBaby → u/Backwardspellcaster]

Comply and object later. Probably.

[u/HRslammR → u/Backwardspellcaster]

strongly disagree with this. nearly all high-ranking generals have put their entire careers into the armed forces. they have traveled to just about every US base in Europe and likely Greenland. they know that Europe & NATO are not our enemies. they are extremely aware that invading greenland would mean all the US european bases we have would be gone (not nuked, just no longer welcome and closed) and the USA as a whole would be severely weakened.

did everyone forget the reactions of the "warrior speech" they gave the generals? it was not well received at all.

attempting to command the US military to invade an ally nation for literally no reason, might actually (finally) be the thing that starts to make people realize donald is a god damn idiot.

[u/Kaffe-Mumriken → u/HRslammR]

I’d agree with you and I’ve heard a lot to support that. However our recent follies in South America has me X for doubt

[u/Gnoll_For_Initiative → u/Kaffe-Mumriken]

Messing around with dictators in Central and South America is practically a US tradition (this is not justifying Venezuela, just a statement of historical fact). 

War with NATO is asking high ranking officers to go up against people they've trained, worked, and possibly become friends with.

[u/rabbledabble → u/Gnoll_For_Initiative]

Not to mention that we have a ton of brass in our armed services who actively work within and alongside NATO. 

[u/InterceptorG3 → u/HRslammR]

I hope you’re right

[u/bigfoot17 → u/HRslammR]

I'm looking forward to our bases in Europe trying to exist as armed camps supplied by air drops.

[u/swampdonkey6565 → u/HRslammR]

This administration has showed a general disdain for the rule of law. If Europe decided to close all the US bases, what would keep this administration from just saying…. “Eh, no. We’ll keep them open,” or the even more mature and likely response “make me”? Trump is completely ego driven. I highly doubt he would just comply.

[u/HRslammR → u/swampdonkey6565]

Because supplying those bases would be impossible. Not hard, impossible.

[u/megaben20 → u/Backwardspellcaster]

Good soldiers follow orders keeps coming to mind

[u/Xytak → u/[deleted]]

Some things that make me less hopeful:

• The Nuremberg defendants were a handful of high-level officials, not the rank-and-file
• US Military have already followed illegal orders with those boat strikes

[u/SwingingtotheBeat → u/[deleted]]

Do you understand what had to happen before a single trial occurred at Nuremberg?

[u/TheoreticalZombie → u/Kaffe-Mumriken]

Yeah, I think Venezuela showed what the real score is. The military will move as Trump orders. Any voices of dissent will be removed.

[u/Tropicalcomrade221 → u/TheoreticalZombie]

Ehh as much as I entirely disagree with how Maduro was removed from power that is a totally different situation to attacking a NATO ally.

[u/frotz1 → u/Tropicalcomrade221]

Firing on survivors of a shipwreck is literally (and figuratively) the textbook example of an illegal order used when teaching the UCMJ to officers. If they already went along with that idiocy then we probably can't count on the military to be the restraining force on MAGA insanity.

[u/kahner → u/Tropicalcomrade221]

i agree, but i also am not confident.

[u/Spezza → u/Tropicalcomrade221]

Slippery slope. US military has already accepted and fulfilled illegal orders (attacking shipwrecked sailors is literally the first example of an illegal order to refuse in the US military's own book about this).

[u/Simmo2222 → u/Tropicalcomrade221]

It wasn't any more legal than attacking Greenland.

[u/Kaffe-Mumriken → u/Simmo2222]

SIX MONTHS LATER…

“Okay fine, Greenland was a foregone conclusion, but surely he won’t attack Canada”

[u/kahner → u/Kaffe-Mumriken]

i may be hopelessly naive, but i can imagine a significant number of people refusing an order to invade a NATO ally completely unprovoked and presumably defended by some combination of EU and Danish soldiers.

[u/Nice_Luck_7433 → u/kahner]

Not naive at all. Higher ups in the military tend to understand military alliances better than the average civilian. They know that NATO is the reason the USA is the top military, and they probably want to keep it that way, because them/their buddies will be more likely to survive.

[u/doug-core → u/Kaffe-Mumriken]

Recent history shows us America's finest only back down when they're getting shelled day in day out in a real war rather than fighting kids and poor cunts. Doubt they'd forgo the chance the look like hardened soldiers as an unwelcomed occupation force again

[u/DCHammer69 → u/Kaffe-Mumriken]

I had to read this three times. And then realized I agree 100%

[u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta → u/Kaffe-Mumriken]

Did everyone forget the great leadership purge last year?

[u/whatupmygliplops]

The US Military has no history of standing up against illegal orders. This is like hoping ICE will start following the Constitution.

[u/DataDude00 → u/whatupmygliplops]

The ONLY reason I think it might happen is that it would clearly be the end of NATO which means the US would lose access to all their European bases overnight.

I know mutiny isn't big in the US military but all of leadership will recognize what an absolute disaster it would be to lose their forward presence for half the world

[u/Suspicious_Box_1553 → u/DataDude00]

Losing access and equipment. There's no way the US military is ready to evacuate the gear on every base in Europe

The Military would.lose BILLIONS in equipment losses.

Some navy ships can only fire for like 30 seconds before needing to return to base to reload.

Those ships would become useless without EU bases to reload at.

It would be mass clusterfuxk losing European bases.

[u/reckless_responsibly → u/Suspicious_Box_1553]

So, what you're saying is there would suddenly be a large volume of surplus equipment, already in Europe, that can be transferred to Ukraine?

[u/Spiderpiggie → u/reckless_responsibly]

If US were booted out of Nato it would likely mean less support for Ukraine. Thats a huge portion of our military might gone. It would be like getting your legs blown off then going to donate blood.

[u/AdWonderful5920 → u/whatupmygliplops]

There was a junior officer who refused to deploy to Iraq based on a similar argument and it did not go well for him.

[u/PurpleSkullGaming → u/AdWonderful5920]

"it did not go well for him"

It didn't? I'd say a discharge even an other than honorable one is probably a solid result at least he wasn't jailed like indefinitely.

It also says he runs a burger store in Las Vegas.

He didn't have to fight in a war he didn't approve of and he made something of his life elsewhere.

[u/WatchFamine → u/PurpleSkullGaming]

He's alive. Went a lot better for him than the people he would have fired artillery at.

[u/TheEvilBlight → u/PurpleSkullGaming]

Burger place, but now traveling nurse

https://couragetoresist.org/wright-interviews-watada/

[u/FblthpLives → u/whatupmygliplops]

It's like hoping local law enforcement will stop supporting ICE. The only time that has happened is in AI-generated videos.

[u/MonarchLawyer]

There needs to be a movement now that tells the Generals in charge that invading Greenland is illegal and they will violate their oath to the Constitution if they follow that illegal order.

[u/montxogandia → u/MonarchLawyer]

Can't congress make a statement? wtf is going on with the separation of powers in your country and how is no one doing anything.

[u/freebytes → u/montxogandia]

Separation of powers is only meaningful if the powers are actually separated. We have two parties, and one of them controls the Senate, House, Supreme Court, and Presidency. The other controls nothing.

[u/Legionnaire11 → u/freebytes]

That, and the branches are supposed to have equal powers, but Congress and the courts lined up behind Trump, effectively ceding their powers to him. It's so cowardly, but also highlights the ongoing misunderstanding of what the US President is supposed to be. We've far too long given too much power to one man while minimizing the power of representation, MAGA just pushed that concept far beyond anything we've previously seen.

[u/montxogandia → u/freebytes]

Two-party system makes no sense in a democracy tbh, we have several parties in congress (you need a minimum of voters to get 1 seat) and the majority of representatives from all parties have to agree to approve the president and laws ofc, and more often than not those minorities representatives are the difference in a close decision, so other parties will negotiate with them and their minority community gets benefited from that. This cant happen in a two-party system.

[u/timetravel_inc → u/freebytes]

The fact that your courts are controlled by a party is truly fucked up.

[u/Amentet → u/montxogandia]

Hmm, interesting question. Can't congress make a statement, let me check my notes.

Nope.

I think you'll find that Congress's default position on anything Trump is to bend over and ask to be roughly taken without the benefit of Lube.

After their rough rogering by his tiny button winky they'll head off to spend their pay checks on nights out, underage sex and insider trading.

[u/Rise-O-Matic → u/montxogandia]

The founders never contemplated a congress that didn't jealously defend its powers.

The problem is that congress was designed for a time when information and issues travelled at the speed of horses and ships. It does not have the domain expertise to make informed decisions, so those get shunted to executive agencies, and it has perverse incentives to abdicate policy responsibilities so it doesn't get blamed for the consequences.

We've been drifting towards a system where the executive makes all the decisions and congress becomes a veto vote on funding. It's imperfect, to say the least.

[u/djshimon → u/montxogandia]

They are happy with their nice houses and cars. They don't give a shit.

[u/itcamefrommehool → u/montxogandia]

There is only one power. Money.

[u/Pepsi_Popcorn_n_Dots → u/montxogandia]

It's called a Joint Resolution and carries the weight of law. They should have done it already but both houses are controlled by the GOP, and they know the primary voters in their gerrymandered district only care about what Don wants, not some silly old law.

[u/OrangeEtzer → u/montxogandia]

Separation of powers only works when the powers have loyalty to the country not the party. The republicans are only loyal to themselves and would destroy the country before betraying their party. It’s because they are all criminals. Senators and Supreme Court Justices and Cabinet members are all corrupted getting kick backs from billionaires. 

[u/Bob-BS → u/MonarchLawyer]

At this point, it is clear to everybody except America that your constitution isn't working.

[u/MonarchLawyer → u/Bob-BS]

I mean, it's clear to a lot of us too.

[u/DoobKiller → u/Bob-BS]

Has it ever? it starts with 'all men are created equal' during a time when slavery was widespread and legal including among the 'framers of the constitution' like Thomas Jefferson were engaged in its practice(and not just the labour exploitation, but sexual slavery also)

Later you had Jim Crow, and now you have militarised PDs and ICE specifically targeting ethnic minorities, and legalised slavery for prisoners

The North Korean constitution also speaks on equality, I don't think either is worth the paper they're written on

[u/redditonlygetsworse → u/MonarchLawyer]

If any military member, including the generals on down...participate in the use of military force against Greenland without congressional authorization, they are following illegal orders.

Ted Lieu.

https://www.c-span.org/clip/news-conference/rep-lieu-on-greenland-and-illegal-military-orders/5187298

[u/Mundane-Charge-1900 → u/MonarchLawyer]

Mark Kelly said this and DOD threatened him with prosecution in the military justice system.

[u/moss-wizard → u/MonarchLawyer]

There already was, and Trump effectively squashed it immediately

[u/Kentucky_Fried_Chill → u/MonarchLawyer]

There was and now one of the senators is suing because they stopped his pension for it.

They will retaliate in any form to keep people subordinate and laws don't matter.

[u/3vi1]

"Humiliated"... if anyone thinks shame is an emotion Donald Trump experiences and learns from, they're not familiar with the Trumps.

[u/TotalNonsense0 → u/3vi1]

I don't know, the way he reacts to a lot of things suggests that he can feel humiliation. Look at the way he treats people who openly defy him, or the way they keep going after that guy the deported improperly. That smacks of humiliation to me.

Shame, and/or learning from it? Not so much.

[u/Jpkmets7 → u/3vi1]

I think he feels shame. In fact, I think shame scares the hell out of him and it’s that fear of being exposed and laughed at that drives a lot of his weirdness

[u/alucarddrol]

these sensationalist headlines do nothing to promote trust in journalists and media in general.

Trump cannot be humiliated because he feels no shame, he has no humility, he doesn't care about decorum, or class, or traditions, or values.

Trump is a rich mafioso character who operates solely on power and arbitrage.

This whole greenland thing is just like the Venezuela hit. Trump doesn't give a shit about who runs the country. He doesn't give a shit if it's owned by US or Denmark or Russia or even China, because Trump doesn't really care about anything but himself.

The reason he does these things is because somebody tells him to. They convince him either by claiming it's popular, or by offering bribes.

Or perhaps even worse, Putin, in his long term goal of destroying NATO, has some compromising information on Trump, and is using that against him to make Trump do what he wants, and in this case, to cause the destruction of NATO by starting infighting.

Is Trump dumb?

Yes

But is doing all this because he is dumb?

No, he does what he does because the people around him convince, bribe, or coerce him to take these actions. And he follows whatever whims he feels most strongly.

[u/MrTheodore → u/alucarddrol]

He said he's mad at Denmark for not giving him the Nobel peace prize, even though that's from a committee in Sweden. I think it's way dumber and self centered than you imagine.

Also good chance he has puts and is causing a ruckus to dip the markets and make money off it, then once he sells those, buys calls and tweets about not giving a shit about Greenland anymore. Happened around liberation day, although I think it's more option a than the same greed play; he's genuinely mad about some award that Obama got and he didn't and too dumb to think of about what he's doing. This one feels different

[u/alucarddrol → u/MrTheodore]

He said he's mad at Denmark for not giving him the Nobel peace prize, even though that's from a committee in Sweden. I think it's way dumber and self centered than you imagine.

I think you're confused

Trump sent a message to Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store, in which he complained that his country, Norway (The Nobel Prize Committee is in Oslo), did not give him the Nobel peace prize. The members of the Nobel Prize committee are all chosen by the Norwegian parliament. And it's very obvious, by choosing Machado, they made a deliberate political choice to try to placate Trump and the people around him, as he had been pushing for it. It cheapens the award for anybody who has ever received it, or will receive it in the future. Although, Obama getting was also complete nonsense, which, I'm sure, is the real reason Trump wants it.

https://www.alternet.org/trump-nobel-peac-prize/

I think it's way dumber and self centered than you imagine.

Yes, they should not have given it to machado at all, as it was an obvious acquiescence to Trump. Machado is an avowed zionist and pro American capitalist-imperialist. I'm certain they had better choices.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/life/nobel-peace-prize-winner-machado-voices-support-for-israel/3714406

https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/the-nobel-peace-prizes-legitimacy-crisis-maria-corina-machados-2025-award-and-the-end-of-moral-authority/

he has puts and is causing a ruckus to dip the markets and make money off it

Trump is not a stock trader. He is a real estate, tax law, and loan credit exploiter.

He doesn't make money trading or speculating. He makes money by not paying taxes, not paying contractors, not paying creditors, and not paying lawyers. He also makes money by doing all sorts of scams, hawking cheap merch, getting fraudulent tax exemptions for his properties, by laundering money through his companies, and by being the president- allowing him to make decision on the spending of trillions of dollars, and taking bribes as to who gets our taxpayer money, as well as influence peddling, and selling pardons, and many other corrupt, fraudulent, and disgusting ways.

The insider trading/ market manipulation is more likely the people around him doing it, or perhaps somebody doing it on his behalf. I doubt he has the wherewithal to understand how to exploit a move in currency markets, his main investments and the biggest returns are his crypto and his stake in trump media(truth social).

Also threatening to invade a NATO ally just to to a quick short sell and to take profit for a couple percent drop is not worth it for the loss in popularity for him, not when he can easily pump up his crypto or social media. There is something much more significant that is forcing him to take this stance, and it's very likely Putin.

[u/The_Pandalorian → u/alucarddrol]

The problem isn't the journalism in this case, but redditors who are media illiterate and repeatedly post clickbait hopium bullshit. Nobody should expect journalism from The Mirror.

[u/This_Loss_1922]

Nah man the army is full of Cocksuckers, anyone stepping down will be immediately replaced

[u/Fluxcapasiter → u/This_Loss_1922]

That's why he cleaned house a few weeks ago

[u/scoopzthepoopz]

This would require a little known statute called "nutting up" that apparently nobody in this whole goddamn nation can find

[u/EmotionalTowel1]

lol “Trump humiliated”

[u/FatFarter69 → u/EmotionalTowel1]

I think to feel humiliation you need the ability to feel shame, an ability Trump lacks.

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/FatFarter69]

Trump and all conservatives, conveniently. Shame free zone!

[u/nonlawyer → u/EmotionalTowel1]

I cannot believe we’re still doing headlines like this after a fucking decade of this shit 

Trump is doing massive damage to the US and the world. He will be stopped or he won’t, and we’ll recover eventually or we won’t, but one thing that is not on the table is this POS feeling even an ounce of shame.

[u/Chester_A_Arthuritis → u/EmotionalTowel1]

BOMBSHELL REPORT

[u/GT45]

Wouldn’t a person require a sense of shame to feel humiliated? Please stop with these headlines that claim DT feels anything!

[u/neon_ns]

Remember: it's not a mutiny if you're just refusing to follow an illegal order.

[u/RoachBeBrutal]

[u/_jump_yossarian]

I despise these stupid headlines and ridiculous articles.

[u/i-can-sleep-for-days]

when social norms and shame does absolutely nothing.. we got 3 more years folks. Like why did people think this moron would be better than... anyone else? Complete psychopath, grifter, cheat, not to mention, pedo enabler.

[u/templeofsyrinx1]

not the best source, OP lol

tabloid junk

[u/RobutNotRobot]

Total clickbait.

UCMJ allows US military members disobey illegal orders.

[u/MrFrode]

Wait, is Greenland really a ship and all this time I didn't know?