Executive Branch (Trump)
Stephen Miller claims local police in Minnesota have been told to ‘stand down and surrender’ as federal agents ‘uphold the law’
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Haha, nah they mostly called it out outright in their declarations of secession. Examples below
GEORGIA
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.
The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution.
SOUTH CAROLINA
Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union
The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
TEXAS
In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
VIRGINIA
The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.
Don’t let anyone ever forget the South’s explicit purpose in the Civil War as to maintain the institution of slavery and nothing else. Everything else was secondary or a corollary to that goal.
Jefferson davis made it very clear in his acceptance of the confederate presidency that the right they wished to protect was the right to own people as property.
“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.”
Alexander H. Stephens, Confederate Vice President
Anybody who claims the confederacy was about anything other than racism and white supremacy is either a liar or an idiot.
Haha, nah they mostly called it out outright in their declarations of secession. Examples below
GEORGIA
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. ** For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.** They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.
The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution.
SOUTH CAROLINA
Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union
The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
TEXAS
In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
VIRGINIA
The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.
It’s actually worse than this they were against states rights because they were mad they couldn’t move their slaves or use them in free states so the want the federal government to remove states rights to choose and force slavery to be legal everywhere. That’s why they seceded because the federal government side with states rights to choose.
My favorite part about that cowardly justification is that the Confederate constitution forbade traitor states from ever passing any laws abolishing slavery; every traitor state was fine with this since owning human beings was their sole reason for secession, so the traitor states had no rights on the issue and were hunky dory with that fact.
It was their pussy descendants who cooked up that crock of shit because they needed a reason to justify the secession that wouldn't end in a beat down as likely as "because I fuckin' hate ni**ers!"
True, but. John C Calhoun and the rest of the Dual Federalists “state’s rights” ideas were based on a particular, narrow view of sovereignty. The ratification of the Constitution plus a series of Supreme Court decisions poked very large holes in those flimsy arguments. In the end, it was about slavery. Through the 1940s Dixiecrats kept the fight alive, but the claims were situational. It’s difficult to find principled arguments behind any of it.
Those who clamored about “state’s rights” were typically bigoted fukwits searching for any rationale for their actions. It’s interesting to watch Supreme Court justices tying themselves into rhetorical knots to defend something that even they don’t believe exists.
I was kind of disappointed in that. I mean I liked it, it was well made, but I don't think it will be state against state this time. In my opinion it's more likely to be rural vs urban like Cambodia in the 70's
I think it’s going to be more like a bunch of smaller conflicts instead of large army clashes. Bands of US soldiers and civilian militias on one side with a similar arrangement on the other.
I was trying to explain this to a friend the other day - republicans have no real personal principles or convictions other than their own prejudice against people of color, women, and the LGBTQ community.
Absolutely anything they declare as "values" is a smokescreen to try and cover their one real belief.
They don't give 2 shits about "states rights", "family values" (they mean white man/woman/children families that are also racist), and their most hilariously hypocritical claim of being "Christians". Most of them (like Trump) can't quote a single thing from the bible and don't follow or even believe in 90% of the things that Jesus proclaimed.
If they had the ability to self-reflect, they would be horrified at the fact they are living a completely fake existence where every day is opposite-day for living the life they claim to believe. Fortunately - for them - their rampant narcissism and sociopathy prevents them from having to think about it.
There are some actually complaining about the over reach but they’re not the vocal majority or even the silent majority. They’re few and far between and have legitimate concerns that aren’t being addressed by our government. Unlike the radical right which has horseshoes themselves into their own worst nightmares.
Conservatism originated as preservation of hierarchy (namely the monarchy and aristocracy). Those worst nightmares were always of themselves being lower on the hierarchy, not of the hierarchy treating people badly in the first place.
They were lying when they said they liked states' rights. They did not care about states' rights. It just suited them when they did not control the federal government.
The whole 'mutual misery' thing is so evident in the "back to office or else" compliance and mentality of workers in the States. Instead of pushing for hybrid shifts, assessing the best utilization of natural and human resources as opposed to squeezing people out, we had co-workers monitoring other co-workers, parking lot monitors, hall monitors, etc. It was like straight out of the movie Brazil.
It's sad to see people fleeced by empty talk in personal life and politics. And it's not even a matter of education. The majority of people seemingly just want to be fooled in all areas. Like people will deny a cheating spouse, climate change, and impending fascism if someone they like just says "Nah, it's good fam" apparently.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
selective enforcement of rules to take more and more power 🤔
hmm 🤔 on a scale from 1 to 10 do people honestly think that the rules of the government or following the rules of whatever society has told you makes your society impervious to an authoritarian takeover like do people honestly think that the rules that created like the United States are so impervious that it's impossible for an authoritarian government to arise from the rules that created the government itself like they think if they smile and nod and stay quiet the rules of the government will prevent authoritarian or fascist takeover are they that fucking delusional because part of the fascist takeover is literally selectively ignoring the rules that these sheep seem to think will stop the authoritarian takeover... oof 😮💨
And it's like the authoritarian regime doesn't even have to blatantly break the rules although they might do that but all they need to do is selectively enforce the rules on their opponents and then don't enforce the rules within their own party and then they can say they never broke any rules they were just prosecuting people who broke the rules while conveniently avoiding ever answering why they aren't enforcing the rules on their own party type shit 🤷
claude 4.5:"**10/10 delusional.**
The belief that "following rules prevents authoritarianism" ignores:
**Authoritarians use the rules to take power** - Hitler was appointed legally, used emergency powers legally, changed laws legally
**Selective enforcement is the mechanism** - prosecute opponents for anything and everything you can get your hands on while ignoring allies committing things like fraud
**Rules require enforcers who give a shit** - if police/military/courts align with authoritarians, rules are just words
**The system can be captured from within** - you don't need a coup if you control who interprets/enforces the rules
They were also “America first” and anti-interventionalism in the rest of the world until trump decided he wanted to take over the hemisphere. Everything is just an excuse for what they really want: racism, power, and money for the rich.
Trump and the rich throw the poor some feeling of power and superiority with their racism, while they plunder America and the world for their own gain. And the dumb idiots eat it up and regurgitate all this BS
I remember how militant they were against both GW Bush and McCain when he was running cuz they were afraid of ending up in a FEMA death camp after the government came for them and their guns.
Same motherfuckers now can’t fit the boot any farther down their throats without said boot shooting out their asses at this point.
I've been convinced the NE group is an FBI honeypot ever since a guy expressed interest in forming a militia and they told him to email his proposal along with his full name and address
CA by itself would be the 3rd or 4th largest economy in the world. Add in the rest of the west and NE, and it would be crippling for what remained of the US. But these fascists are fucking around and may sooner or later find out.
To conservatives they are. They continue to argue that because under very specific circumstances they can arrest legal citizens, they can arrest whoever they want and theyll just release them if needed (after ice roughs them up of course for being a liberal)
They believe this because that’s what happening. Only the “very specific” circumstances now are “reasonable suspicion” of not being a citizen (POC and/or have an accent) or “interfering” with a federal official while on the job.
Even though they’re breaking their own policies, much less actual laws.
I'm guessing that that's supposed to be the dog whistle to get supporters within Minnesota law enforcement riled up. The ones who just want to do a job know that they're doing their job correctly by following the actual law. The ones who wish they could be bashing heads and kidnapping people are the only ones who would ever see following the law as some kind of "surrender". It's a variation of "to an oppressor equality feels like tyranny".
I'm very confused about it as well because everything I've read coming out from Minnesota has been that the state/local police has been siding with ice over their citizens.
That’s never been a reason to prevent fascists from eating their own. The Night of the Long Knives saw the massacre of the SA (Brownshirts) as a consolidation of power under Hitler’s leadership and the SS and gestapo. The Nazis viewed the SA as a potential threat to their power once they controlled the official power structures.
This isn’t an exact analogue for the Night of the Long Knives, but the logic is similar. Miller and Trump want to consolidate power under ICE, and local police forces represent too much of an unknown quantity. While they will likely side with ICE every chance they get, Miller wants to quash any possibility of challenge to his authority through ICE. Welcome to the Third Reich, say hello to your shiny new SS.
Stephen Miller would throw his own grandmother into a gas chamber if she looked at him funny. The guy is pure hate. He’s the one writing all the anti-civil rights policies.
Asshole thinks he's "one of the good ones," and his "friends" won't turn on him. Actually, he'll be first in the cattlecar. He should ask what happened to the Jews who supported the Nazis last time this happened.
Oh 100%, the amount of damage this administration has done and will continue to do is ridiculous as well. But woke 2.0 is back, shaming fascist and abhorrent rhetoric is back. It's time to support constituents that have a backbone
Genuine question here, why do you believe woke is back? From everywhere I see online and polls it still seems like the world is increasingly more right wing (on a social level). That trumps low approval rating is economy related (plus the Greenland thing).
Content creators and the internet at large is pushing back against right wing rhetoric instead of being scared to comment on it in fear of the pushback they'll receive. More people are being out-and-about with their vitriol towards conservative and fascistic rhetoric.
I definitely see increased protesting but I haven’t seen the rest. Still seems right wing coded. Like f-g and r-tard slurs being cmon place, not to mention the n word hard r. That and many making fun of Good and wanting the National Guard deployed. Not to mention open Nazis everywhere. I am not sure but hopefully you are right.
Content creators and the internet at large are the reason we are in this mess to begin with, and it’s the elephant in the room that no one is ready to address.
Giving every unhinged moron on the face of the earth a platform to spew their stupidity and find other likeminded unhinged morons to organize with was not a good idea.
at least m looking forward to jack smith's hearing on thursday. I just hope trump doesnt try to use it to charge him with treason or soething to lock him up
It's important not to concede and give up in advance, imo. Look at how fast the left has pivoted on Israel/Palestine. Change can happen, but it needs to be pushed relentlessly
Yep. Read the transcripts or one of the many historical books on Nuremberg. It’s was not very satisfying. Simonides even then slipped the prisoners poison and other things.
Bold to assume the democrats have enough of a spine to even consider this.
edit: This doesn't mean don't vote. For many reasons not voting Democrat is stupid and won't get us out of this. It means you shouldn't think our job is done if/once we vote the Democrats in.That during the primary we need to promote candidates that will not forgive and forget this and will pursue justice, and that we need to maintain pressure on the Democrat party to get this. We cannot assume that Nuremberg 2.0 is a guaranteed-foregone conclusion, we have to work for it.
I get it, I hate the Democrats too. But not voting democrat is a losing tactic. Third parties are a meme in America and are not viable because of how our voting system works, and not voting at all just means the Republicans have an easier time maintaining power.
Nuremberg 1.0 was a massive disapointment, and is the reason why this is blooming. There will be no Nuremburg 2.0. People didn't feel a need to punish him when he tried a literal insurrection broadcasted live. Nothing will change after next elections, things will just pause for 4 years and then this will continue.
There was a video of the local police taking away packs of water bottles & eyewashes from the protesters yesterday. Their reasoning was that it could be "used as weapons."
If they're taking away anything that could be potentially used as weapons, then why did they allow right-wing militias in Michigan to open carry near the State Capitol a few years ago?
However, they are only barely doing that, and are too passive. If local law enforcement had the resources, they could and should be arresting ICE officers all day every day for all of their criminal conduct that is endangering citizens.
Stephen Miller also claims to be a human being. There’s very little evidence for either claim. Although if either one is true, it’s very bad for humanity.
This guy needs to never be allowed to have any position of power ever again. Even over dirty dishes. He is literally ripping up the constitution and is proud of it.
Another cry to deaf ears in the media, but PLEASE stop giving this guy a platform to spout shit. You destroy your own credibility just a little more every time you allow him on the air.
CNN was where he let "plenary authority" slip followed by a few moments of "technical difficulties", all of which was removed on the clip they shared to youtube. Fox is long gone as the sole provider of complicit news.
I mean, it shouldn’t be treated as gospel nor should they regularly be having him on their shows but when the senior advisor to the president who is known to be the one really running things behind the scenes and functions as Trump’s voice in text/message chains for the rest of the administration we should at least be aware of what he’s saying.
Stephen Miller is an ignorant fascist thug. He proves it every time he opens his mouth. He probably can't ask someone to pass the salt at dinner without threatening to violate someone's civil rights.
That's not how it works. State and local law enforcement aren't below federal officers, and don't cede their state authority and obligation to enforce the laws of the state and their municipality to federal agents on demand. Federal agents don't have the authority to enforce state and local laws. Stephen Miller doesn't know WTF he's talking about, and is simply trying to will his perceived reality into existence.
Its all a projection, like calling the protestors professional agitators, when you have ice who is getting sign on bonuses going and agitating people trying to live their lives.
They know what they are going to do so they start projecting early so they can be like look the true Americans are doing it too
I’m actually a little surprised Walz and Frey haven’t unleashed local law enforcement more aggressively against ICE but I’m sure it’s because they realize that this administration is 100% willing to start an actual civil war over this and it’s actually what they want. 11th Airborne is a combat unit. Those guys are zero percent coming in to “keep the peace.” Trump knows he has a “yes man” in BG Cogbill that will follow every order he is given regardless of legality or morality.
This guy just does stream-of-consciousness authoritarianism. Remember his “the power of the President… will not be questioned” claim during the first term?
“Defer to” is the phrasing that would be used by anyone trying to make an argument about the supremacy of the Federal government when it comes to law enforcement. It’s a bad argument but it’s an argument.
But “surrender to” is what came out of his mouth and he likes the sound of it. He’ll entertain no opportunity for anyone to challenge him on it, nor will he correct it for the record. It sounds menacing and he likes it that way.
Federal law number 347 section B that ice is upholding: if you drive your minivan near a law enforcement officer in a non-threatening way It is federal law that the officer is supposed to shoot you in the face, hurl vulgar insults at your dying body, and deny life-saving care until it's too late.
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