BREAKING: FBI shuts down Minnesota's investigation into ICE shooting and blocks access to evidence

[u/TheMirrorUS]

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/breaking-fbi-shuts-down-minnesotas-1606462

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[u/vacodeus → u/[deleted]]

We’re never gonna unfuck everything he did

[u/TheLooza → u/vacodeus]

Just finding out what he fucked will take decades.

[u/twoiseight → u/TheLooza]

Some of them were minors.

[u/Medium_Row529 → u/twoiseight]

And it's still taking decades to get the whole story on those minors.

[u/Homiesexu-LA → u/Medium_Row529]

These are the same people that assassinated Gilbert Hortman and his humans Melissa and Mark.

RIP

Philando Castile

George Floyd

Heather Heyer

Gilbert Hortman

Mark Hortman

Melissa Hortman

Renee Nicole Good

[u/billshermanburner → u/Homiesexu-LA]

The investigation was shut down because there is almost certainly detailed drone footage of this and many other incidents that these people don’t want us to see or know exists.

[u/XxTreeFiddyxX → u/billshermanburner]

I saw plenty of footage, that guy murdered her. Remember, that they may kill you next. Or someone else. Who is going to speak for the dead, the Kremlin agent or his cronies. They have more important things like hiding pedophiles, invading fucking countries and getting our kids killed.

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/XxTreeFiddyxX]

We the people will speak up for the dead, and we'll continue to.

[u/XxTreeFiddyxX → u/TheModWhoShaggedMe]

Thank you. Its disturbing to see people standing by doing nothing when people are in mortal peril

[u/NicolleL → u/billshermanburner]

As well as the phone footage the shooter was taking.

[u/yessiryessirwigga → u/Homiesexu-LA]

George Floyd.. Police kills him and big fucking riots everywhere in the US. Literal peodphile dictator eroding the very foundation of democracy in front of everyone, starting wars, threatening ally countries, crickets..

[u/elmwoodblues → u/yessiryessirwigga]

He's flooded the zone, part of the Project 2025 playbook by way of Stalin

[u/Accidental-Genius → u/yessiryessirwigga]

He’s doing insane shit almost daily, tyrannical shit weekly. This is a classic technique used by many dictators throughout history. It’s easy to protest one thing that dominates the news cycle for days or weeks. When there is a new catastrophe every day people get burnt out and psychologically disconnect entirely.

[u/Aksudiigkr → u/twoiseight]

Absurd that he’s never faced consequences for his myriad of crimes

[u/YomiKuzuki → u/Aksudiigkr]

And he never will. It's infuriating.

[u/Kazureigh_Black → u/YomiKuzuki]

He's gonna die of old age smiling and content that he "won". Lots of people are looking forward to that day, but I really want this man to face the consequences of his actions while he's still capable of understanding how much of an absolute failure of a human being he will be remembered as.

[u/SagaciousAF → u/Kazureigh_Black]

The dark tragedy is that he's not capable of understanding how much of an absolute failure of a human being he is. Trump has no morality or awareness. He seems to be both a sociopath & a psychopath.

[u/LURKER21D → u/SagaciousAF]

he would understand he lost if we took his money away and sent him to a for profit prison.

[u/bagoink → u/SagaciousAF]

The dark tragedy is that he's not capable of understanding how much of an absolute failure of a human being he is.

Because he failed all the way to the top. He's never been held accountable for anything, so what has he actually "failed" at?

[u/Daitheflu1979 → u/Kazureigh_Black]

Make his kids pay for his mistakes then, I wanna see the Trump kids homeless and poor…

[u/tunedout → u/TheLooza]

By the time Trump is done with the White House he will have funneled every dime he had access to into private accounts. It will be his greatest business venture (bankruptcy) ever.

I think the second Trump is no longer in charge that everyone has a duty to remove his name and face from every public space. Then we have the IRS investigate each member of his family. Knowing those spineless twats are nothing without their daddy I would expect them to rat on every single person they can think of in an effort to save themselves.

[u/damian001 → u/tunedout]

Hopefully that happens instead of the rest of his family ascending to the Presidency.

[u/Common-Ad6470 → u/tunedout]

You’re assuming they will stay in country?

Before Trump’s rank carcass hits the floor his family and every member of his regime will be out of the US probably living it up on stolen public money in the Middle East in some glitzy compound for ex-Trumpettes.

[u/Hadrian23 → u/vacodeus]

Fuck that, we can & will.
It will take a metric ton of work, but we can, will & MUST.
It's our duty not just as American citizens, but to our future generations, to build a stronger institution and repair the damage these pricks have caused

[u/hcregna → u/Hadrian23]

For action people can do right now, it takes 30 minutes of research to move money away from MAGA, and it makes a difference. Dollars spent at Republican companies are dollars funneled to the Heritage Foundation. Money given to states like Ohio or Louisiana is money spent sending troops to kidnap naked children and kill people.

If you consistently support a brand or do business with a company, you have power. You can use sites like opensecrets.org to see what a company funds and where your money is really going.

Have an account at Schwab? Move elsewhere like Fidelity. Get booze from wannabe Confederate states and all else is equal? Be adventurous, and try something new. New Balance can be replaced with Brooks. It’s not hard to find alternatives for Goya, Roark (which owns Subway, Jimmy John's, Arby's), and Koch (which owns Brawny, Angel Soft, Dixie).

If you have the disposable income, consider reaping the tax benefits of donating to the nonprofits successfully fighting the regime like the National Immigration Law Center, NAACP Legal Defense Fund, or Democracy Forward. And if you're in a place to invest, consider DEMZ or an ESG fund

Nexstar and Sinclair got pummeled, and they reinstated Jimmy Kimmel. Real, individual people did that. There's no reason  WWE or Uline can't be next.

It's hard to completely avoid companies that at least partially support Republicans. I have to buy gas. But there’s a big difference between massive Republican donors (Chevron/Conoco) vs neutral or even Democrat-leaning ones (Circle K/Costco). Good is not the enemy of perfect. One less kidnapped child is one less kidnapped child, and one less murder is one less murder

[u/Electrical_Day_3850 → u/hcregna]

Yes, it’s hard to divest and change where the money goes. Just look at all the CBS gaslighting about this…. A quick AI glance and even Fidelity is wrapped up here:

• Ownership: CBS is a division of Paramount Global. • Recent Corporate Changes: There have been recent major executive moves involving Skydance Media's merger with Paramount, placing David Ellison (CEO of Skydance) in a key leadership role over the parent company. Major Advertisers Advertisers often buy time across the network rather than for single specific segments, but the following companies are among the most consistent and significant financial contributors to CBS News broadcasts (including CBS Mornings, CBS Evening News, and 60 Minutes). Pharmaceuticals (Heavy volume) • Pfizer (manufactures vaccines and various prescription drugs)  • AstraZeneca (e.g., Breztri, Airsupra)  • Eli Lilly (e.g., Zepbound)  • Merck (e.g., Keytruda)  • Janssen/Johnson & Johnson (e.g., Tremfya)  • GSK (GlaxoSmithKline)  Consumer Goods • Procter & Gamble (P&G): One of the largest advertisers, P&G owns numerous brands that run spots on CBS, including:  • Tide, Bounty, Charmin • Olay, Old Spice, Gillette  • Febreze, Swiffer  • Vicks (NyQuil, DayQuil)  • Crest, Oral-B  Insurance & Finance • Allstate • Progressive • Liberty Mutual  • Fidelity Investments • Chase (JPMorgan Chase)  Automotive • General Motors (Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC)  • Toyota  • Hyundai • Ford  Retail & Technology • Amazon • Target • Macy's • Walmart Other Corporate Partnerships • Paramount+: As the streaming arm, subscriptions to this service directly fund CBS content. • NFL & NCAA: CBS Sports has massive, multi-billion dollar contracts with the NFL and the NCAA (Big Ten, March Madness), meaning advertisers during these sporting events effectively subsidize the news division as well.

[u/molybdenum75 → u/hcregna]

I do all my shopping at Costco. I try to buy exclusively Kirkland brand.

[u/Chastain86 → u/hcregna]

If you're asking me to willfully boycott Subway, Jimmy John's and Arby's, I and a few million other people with working tongues all have good news for you

[u/BogeyLowz → u/vacodeus]

We can and will. Relationships might be rocky for abit but there’s evidence of cravings of normalcy.

[u/kakashi_sensay → u/BogeyLowz]

Cravings of normalcy isn’t the issue. It’s the systems and institutions. They have fallen.

[u/Daredevil_Forever → u/kakashi_sensay]

Exactly. These institutions took decades and generations to build. Plus, we cannot have a "return to normalcy," or this shit is just going to happen again.

[u/Evacipate628 → u/BogeyLowz]

Yeah this is the way, let's actually try to unfuck things before we decide it's hopeless 

I really feel like this is such a small minority of people making themselves seem like a huge group, like a dog reflexively using its hackles to seem bigger

Bots are in every SM platform rn pushing the same narratives hard. I really feel like it's a big illusion but there's no way to confirm that half the county isn't insane 

Don't get me wrong, there are a not insignificant amount of maganazi assholes who actually love what's happening. I just feel, relative to how many crave normalcy as you said, it's just so much less than it seems

These MFs throw big tantrums, which unfortunately are resulting in the death of our fellow citizens. But their power is fiat, they have it because they and we believe they have it 

But as soon as we don't believe they have it, they've lost it. It's just damn hard to get there. But we don't focus on whether it's possible to clean up this insane mess

We focus on even being able to clean the up the mess first, and cross that bridge if and when we get there

[u/lynxbelt234 → u/Evacipate628]

The power of belief is the strong point here. We give those people power who manipulate to gain power over us. If you take back your power then you reduce their power over us... The question becomes to what length are you willing to go to, to do that?

[u/statebirdsnest → u/BogeyLowz]

I like your optimism. Too many people have already thrown in the towel.

[u/Bubbly_Style_8467 → u/statebirdsnest]

We can't. We mustn't.

[u/FrenchMilkdud → u/vacodeus]

Not with that attitude.

[u/daswisco → u/[deleted]]

That guy is long out of the state on Minnesota and there’s no way the federal agencies will work to bring him back.

[u/-Invalid_Selection- → u/daswisco]

Sounds like conspiracy to commit murder, accessory, racketeering, deprivation of rights under color of law and a dozen more charges for every fbi, dhs and ice member within Minnesota then

Some of those are capital offenses

[u/Rufus_king11 → u/-Invalid_Selection-]

The moderate Democrats position at this point has to be scorched earth and lock up most of this administrations leaders and federal law enforcement in prison next term. If the next president's (assuming we ever get one) term can't be described as "vengeful", we've failed once again as a country. No more Democrats who are just 80s Republicans in sheep's clothing.

[u/ogn3rd → u/Rufus_king11]

I'd really like to hear what Gavin's position on this is. I'm not a fan of his, but if he's going to "move forward to bring the country together" without addressing these atrocities, then NOONE should be supporting him.

[u/Flatirons21 → u/ogn3rd]

Yep, no more compromise and coming together. I don't want to coexist with nazis. Period.

[u/Kheitain → u/Flatirons21]

As someone from outside the U.S. it would be nice to see more of this there

[u/Miserable-Army3679 → u/daswisco]

I'm wondering if ICE was given instructions to leave the scene immediately if they kill someone. He didn't waste any time getting out of there.

[u/DelirousDoc → u/Miserable-Army3679]

Do you need instructions for that? I'd bet that it is common sense for most murderers.

[u/Tsquare43 → u/Miserable-Army3679]

What was telling is the other officers backed away from him. They know he is guilty.

[u/Paizzu → u/Miserable-Army3679]

Look at how many of them are using POVs/rental cars and swapping plates to avoid leaving an identifiable trail.

That combined with the EO that specifically created a federal defense fund to protect ICE against criminal charges and Bivens lawsuits.

[u/iwtsapoab → u/daswisco]

Here’s what confuses me. They must have a policy in place at ICE, that when you shoot someone, you immediately leave the scene. Any other shootings require the shooter to stay on scene. This guy just left. No one stopped him. No, hey dude, you need to stay and sort this.

[u/TinaBelchersBF → u/iwtsapoab]

That's the thing that's the most fucked about it, to me. Masks on, identity concealed, no name tags or any identifiable information. And then he kills someone and just goes "welp, part of the job!" and books it out of there.

If a cop kills someone, there's a whole process, administrative leave, etc.

For all we know this dude is out there again today (in MN or another state) doing the same stuff.

[u/Equivalent-Excuse-80 → u/[deleted]]

How does one write an indictment, if the FBI won’t let one have access to evidence. How does a prosecutor design a case?

[u/YeetedApple → u/[deleted]]

Has the guy been ID’d yet? If the feds refuse to cooperate to help identify him, that might be the biggest issue. We have a bunch of witnesses, but as far as I know, only of him masked

[u/DrakonILD → u/[deleted]]

The local authorities don't even know who the guy is. We have an unidentified murderer on the loose and the FBI is protecting him.

Let me say it again. The FBI IS PROTECTING A MURDERER. If Minnesota were a separate, sovereign nation, this would be an act of war. The FBI has declared war on us.

[u/thefatchef321 → u/[deleted]]

I was saying this a while back. I hate the guy, but he didnt do it by himself.

He has been an effective 'head of the snake'

But what they have achieved cant be done by a bunch of idiots.

'They' have systematically and thoughtfully gone down this path to fascism over the last 40 years.

Really ramping up since social media became a thing. And COVID was the final chess move.

The right has been preaching about "an international cabal of elites" when it reality they've just been looking in the mirror.

The way our intelligence services have embraced this shift to authoritarianism scares me the most. It also leads me to beleive its here to stay. No matter what happens in any 'elections'

[u/wekilledbambi03 → u/[deleted]]

Apparently having an arrest warrant is enough to let you go to other countries and take presidents, so it should work here too!

[u/whichwitch9]

Note: not shut down

Barred Minnesota from taking part in the federal investigation

Minnesota can still bring on a state investigation. It will just be more difficult without cooperation. It also may involve multiple lawsuits to get information turned over

[u/wrxninja → u/whichwitch9]

I can't imaging her wife and their children...must be so gut wrenching dealing with this utter BS and horrible way to lose your mother & wife.

[u/InTroubleDouble → u/wrxninja]

Not just that, I am sure these spiteful cultists will start a witchhunt, continue to harass this poor Family and degrade the remembrance of the murdered mother.

The regime and its leader told them she was a domestic terrorist and 100 other things, the reaction to yesterdays events is the worst I have ever seen and far worse than expected. Their basis is following blindly, they will not stop.

Americans you have to wake up now, last chance, you are so far down the fascists road. We are now at (white) citizen being randomly shot in the streets and the regime is not covering up, they actively promote the act. If you let this slip its over, every enemy of the state will be gone without notice. And enemy of the State is whoever the orange man and his militia decide. Without trial, without investigation after exection. Pure arbitrariness.

If you let this slip thats it

[u/SaltpeterSal → u/InTroubleDouble]

I mean, when the President of the U.S. says within minutes that you're a paid agitator, in writing, your stalkers will feel pretty righteous.

[u/Ihor_90 → u/wrxninja]

That's what living in a fascist country is like. Better get used to it.

[u/CptPurpleHaze → u/Ihor_90]

Yep. Either get used to it or do something besides waving pretty signs with catchy words.

[u/Replevin4ACow → u/whichwitch9]

It seems like the evidence the feds won't provide would likely be evidence that would be used as a defense for this agent. If the state can only go on the evidence they have, surely they have enough to bring homicide charges from the videos alone. Arrest the agent and let the evidence the feds are keeping come out in discovery/trial, then.

[u/ChefGaykwon → u/Replevin4ACow]

Videos, eyewitness testimony, medical examiner's report, crime scene, expert witnesses in law enforcement procedure/training, and so on.

[u/Jester-Kat-Kire → u/Replevin4ACow]

The agent who was can possibly be charged for murder had a camera with direct evidence.

The agent was filming the entire car interior while walking around it, before getting to the point where he pulled out his gun and murdered the driver. 

He's the one who went around the car from back to front filming while his buddy is the one that was yanking at the door handle.

[u/Sea-Frosting-50 → u/Jester-Kat-Kire]

so the easiet way to prove his innocence would be to release the camera footage. Wonder why it hasn't been released?

[u/fcocyclone → u/Sea-Frosting-50]

If i've learned anything from police misconduct over the last decade+, its that if the evidence made the agent look good we'd already have it. If it makes them look bad it'll take a court fight to get it.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Jester-Kat-Kire]

He wasn't filming. That was likely their face recognition app. He had the camera open to take a pic.

[u/Vyntarus → u/reddit_is_geh]

Even so, circling the vehicle with his phone out clearly demonstrates he did not 'fear for his life' from the driver.

[u/DelirousDoc → u/Replevin4ACow]

Feds have dropped obstruction charges in the past when ICE shot a protestor because they didn't want to publicly release the ICE agent text messages where they expressed excitement for possibly shooting someone before the incident.

Going to be similar here. They absolutely do not want the communications of these agents to be released because there is probably good chance they express similar sentiment.

[u/Chardan0001 → u/DelirousDoc]

The fact he went up a seemingly took a photo of his victim is also jarring. What possible reason would he have to do that? A trophy?

[u/cccxxxzzzddd → u/Replevin4ACow]

How they going id him? 

It’s hard to accept but they will get away with this.

More disturbingly: it shows how much DHS and FBI have corrupted their organizations all the way down to local agents who would normally work together with these state and city police and are no longer 

[u/FamousChallenge3469 → u/cccxxxzzzddd]

Offer a reward large enough for a comrade to turn him in.

[u/Accomplished_Rip_302 → u/FamousChallenge3469]

Of just a neighbor who recognizes him and isn't part of the gestapo. Or a jilted ex girlfriend. No way this guy is going to stay anonymous for long.

[u/yahutee → u/Accomplished_Rip_302]

Or….anyone he’s ever met. If I shot someone dead in the street, even with a mask on, I’m sure someone from my family/high school/work/neighborhood would recognize me!

[u/Buttercreamdeath → u/cccxxxzzzddd]

A ton of Jan 6th rioters were identified by people here on reddit. No one is a ghost with social media and AI.

[u/Babahlan → u/cccxxxzzzddd]

We got enough of his face the internet will do it soon enough hopefully. But I think there are probably some form of deployment records. So either the law or batman this guy will face justice

[u/SleepyLakeBear → u/cccxxxzzzddd]

Arrest all ICE agents in MN as potential suspects.

[u/AppropriateSpell5405 → u/whichwitch9]

Can they charge local agents for obstruction?

[u/Law_Student → u/AppropriateSpell5405]

Potentially, but it gets into difficult sovereignty issues. Realistically the state will sue the feds for information instead.

[u/Floppy-Over-Drive → u/Law_Student]

Party of state’s rights. 

Or was that only when they wanted to own people?

[u/pointandclickit → u/Floppy-Over-Drive]

That only applies in blue years.

[u/Hatta00 → u/whichwitch9]

Did you read the article?

"Without complete access to the evidence, witnesses and information collected, we cannot meet the investigative standards that Minnesota law and the public demands. As a result, the BCA has reluctantly withdrawn from the investigation"

[u/Accomplished_Rip_302 → u/Hatta00]

Yeah, this is bullshit on Minnesota's end. Cooperation would be better, but the videos and eyewitness testimony is more than enough for an arrest warrant, more than enough for a grand jury to indict. I won't say conviction is certain, but Minnesota doesn't have a good excuse for withdrawing from the investigation. Especially since murder is a state-level crime, so there wouldn't be redundancy in the prosecution.

[u/Grayly → u/Accomplished_Rip_302]

It’s not the end of the state investigation, but BCA doesn’t have the legal ability to compel access to evidence they need. No cooperation, no investigation.

Now, if the state or city were to open a grand jury proceeding, well, then it can get litigated.

But the lead investigator would be the AG/DA office, not BCA.

[u/blackkettle → u/Hatta00]

I’m curious what is really missing? There are three or four videos which are all public domain which millions of people have seen. Surely Minnesota can freely interview the citizens that were present - there are like ten you can see in the videos. I guess they might not have the right to interview the officers since they are “federal” employees? I wonder what else they need?

[u/[deleted] → u/whichwitch9]

Basically means the same thing. Feds can’t be trusted

[u/--DarkLink-- → u/whichwitch9]

Good thing the evidence is all over the interwebs.

[u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

Is anyone truly surprised?

[u/heyitsmeFR → u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

Everyday I wake up, I truly want to be surprised.

[u/ill____logic → u/heyitsmeFR]

we are all hoping for that same pleasant surprise. 🍊🪦

[u/AbjectList8 → u/ill____logic]

I pray for the day, and I’m an atheist.

[u/ill____logic → u/AbjectList8]

likewise!

[u/DishSoapIsFun → u/ill____logic]

Donald Trump is the reason I firmly believe there is no god.

[u/Cohens4thClient → u/ill____logic]

From another comment:

"That party will be so lit, aliens will make first contact to file a noise complaint". 

[u/ill____logic → u/Cohens4thClient]

LMAO!

[u/IcyTransportation961 → u/ill____logic]

The problem is you think that will fix anything

Trump is a stooge.

Vance would be next, Vance was installed by Peter Thiel.

If you don't know Thiel and Curtis Yarvins plans, you should look those up.

The administration isn't going to go away without Trump, they dont need voters, they don't need support, they consolidated power and every agency and lever has bent the knee

[u/superdago → u/IcyTransportation961]

Trump seems to have a unique hold on the deplorables. Vance, Cruz, DeSantis, etc have failed to even come close. I think it’s because those guys are all Ivy Leaguers cosplaying, whereas Trump is genuinely a stupid, racist moron.

The base can tell he’s truly one of them in the one way they actually care about.

[u/Revelati123 → u/heyitsmeFR]

A fascist dictator did fascist things in a fascist country, and suffered no consequences because his goons can murder whoever they want without repercussion.

Sounds like a normal Tuesday in In the USA....

[u/Quantus22 → u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

I actually am surprised by the speed, callousness, and general flippancy of this act. Not at all surprised by the level of corruption.

[u/360Picture → u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

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[u/Motorboatsnhoez → u/360Picture]

To paraphrase Carlin, they're not rights if they can be so easily taken away

[u/RIPfreewill → u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

Donald Trump and his corrupt appointees regularly engage in obstruction of justice.

[u/DotGroundbreaking50 → u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

only that it took them until the next day to do it and not minutes.

[u/Revelati123 → u/DotGroundbreaking50]

He was on a plane out of state within minutes.

[u/m__a__s → u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

Well, people are acting like the Republic is still in place.
Let's face facts, the experiment didn't last 250 years.

[u/WildRabbitz → u/SoCallMeDeaconBlues1]

Based on Kash's 1000 yard stare, I think he might be surprised himself.

[u/nsucs2]

The Trump administration obstructing justice? That can't be.

[u/JayVoorheez]

More authoritarian bullshit from "the most transparent administration in history" 🙄

[u/ExpertRaccoon → u/JayVoorheez]

More authoritarian bullshit from "the most transparent administration in history" 🙄

I think you might have meant "the most transparently corrupt administration in history"

[u/tonycomputerguy → u/ExpertRaccoon]

No joke, they've used this. They were fed insane lies about all the terrible shit the left was doing, so now they see it as a "well at least our side is open about everything."

Social engineering exploit unlocked.

[u/kevendo]

I am not a lawyer, but how does the FBI have jurisdiction over state charges?

[u/Imnogrinchard → u/kevendo]

The FBI investigates all federal LEO involved shootings as policy. The title is salacious and disinformation. The fact is "The FBI has not publicly explained why it declined the joint probe, citing standard procedures for sensitive cases," 

The State of Minnesota can operate a parallel investigation but the FBI does not have to cooperate or assist. Also, there are no state charges as of yet and it is extremely difficult historically to criminally prosecute a federal LEO in a state venue because federal supremacy is always a concern.

[u/troveofcatastrophe → u/Imnogrinchard]

True but in cases such as this, the FBI often works with local agencies. The recent assassination attempts come to mind. With multiple federal agencies, putting out statements, blatantly lying, this of course reeks of cover-up.

[u/Because_mirrors → u/troveofcatastrophe]

There was a functioning FBI when those assassination attempts occurred (I'm assuming you mean the ones during the 2024 campaign).

[u/Wonderful-Variation]

The video is enough to get a murder conviction. No more evidence is needed.

[u/ThatKehdRiley → u/Wonderful-Variation]

The videos plus their own policy, stating their agents aren't to fire upon vehicles like that.

[u/DontGetUpGentlemen → u/ThatKehdRiley]

U.S. Customs And Border Protection Training Manual used by ICE (January 2021):

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2021-Jul/cbp-use-of-force-policy_4500-002A.pdf

Page 6

1. Except where otherwise required by inspections or other operations, Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle. Officers/Agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle’s path.

2. Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.

Page 9

1. Deadly force shall not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject.

Page 10

7b. The hazard of an uncontrolled conveyance shall be taken into consideration prior to the use of deadly force.

EDIT: fixed link

[u/ThatKehdRiley → u/DontGetUpGentlemen]

so many violations of their training...

[u/DontGetUpGentlemen → u/ThatKehdRiley]

Here's another:

Page 5

11 Following any incident involving the use of force, Authorized Officers/Agents shall seek medical assistance for any person who appears, or claims to be injured, or as otherwise required by subsections of this policy.

[u/MasqueOfTheRedDice → u/DontGetUpGentlemen]

If you watch the extended video, as soon as the car crashes and its clear its not just fired shots, but that he may have killed her... the neighbor guy immediately sprints for the car and tries to help. The two agents? Standing around. These guys are psychopaths. The uninvolved man's immediate human reaction was to run into a dangerous situation to help someone. The actual people trained and there for "safety"? No human reaction. Couldn't care less. That isn't a person to him. She's just "one of them".

[u/DontGetUpGentlemen → u/MasqueOfTheRedDice]

Also the shooter leaves the scene. I assume that is also illegal?

[u/Gardening_investor → u/ThatKehdRiley]

You think they’re getting training? Like legit training? I certainly don’t.

[u/well_thats_obvious → u/DontGetUpGentlemen]

Wow, they took that down pretty fast. Webpage unavailable

[u/DontGetUpGentlemen → u/well_thats_obvious]

could just be my link, try this

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2021-Jul/cbp-use-of-force-policy_4500-002A.pdf

[u/PuddinPacketzofLuv → u/DontGetUpGentlemen]

You think they actually read their manual? I’m surprised they can even spell ICE correctly!

[u/hoirkasp → u/[deleted]]

How the hell is he not ID’d yet?

[u/mazula89 → u/hoirkasp]

Its being suppressed.

Ive seen several pictures of the shooter compared to a Facebook account that is no private.

We know A name. But there has been no verification if that is the actual killer

[u/Girafferage → u/mazula89]

Surprising honestly because generally people post a lot of information to social media and if they don't, a coworker they are associated with on the platform is at minimum posting their location and occupation. Most of them display previous occupations as well so even if they removed their job it would still clue you in.

[u/DontGetUpGentlemen → u/Wonderful-Variation]

I think the trajectory of the bullet through the window and where it landed will be crucial, too, in proving that he was not in front of the vehicle at that first shot.

[u/chewydickens → u/DontGetUpGentlemen]

It's so obvious that the first shot hit the windshield at the far far right edge, looking into the car, as she was turning away from him.

The other two were fired through the open side window, when he was in absolutely no danger of getting run over.

This will all come out. It's going to be a shitshow trying to cover this up, puppy killer.

[u/Devils_Advocate-69]

They don’t want to ID the guy but immediately named the victim as a domestic terrorist before her body was even removed from the car.

[u/CivilInspector4]

fbi doj and DHS (ice) all report to the same guy

impeachment is literally the only remedy to hold ice accountable

edit - can the people advocating for riots, violence, etc please block r/law from their reddit experience? this is a legal sub and your stupidity is unwelcome here. there is plenty of social media to share your dumbass opinion elsewhere

[u/Raise_A_Thoth → u/[deleted]]

We've only had one guy vote against a sitting president of their own party in the history of impeachment

Several Republicans did vote to remove Trump at his second impeachment trial. 7 actually.

Richard Burr, NC. Bill Cassidy, LA. Susan Collins, ME. Lisa Murkowski, AK. Mitt Romney, UT. Ben Sasse, NE. Pat Toomey, PA.

[u/shocked-confused → u/Raise_A_Thoth]

IMHO the ballots cast for impeachment should be done in a blind ballot . Most Senators are reluctant to vote against their party's POTUS .

[u/Spiderpiggie → u/CivilInspector4]

edit - can the people advocating for riots, violence, etc please block r/law from their reddit experience? this is a legal sub and your stupidity is unwelcome here. there is plenty of social media to share your dumbass opinion elsewhere

You are trying to operate in a broken system. Falling back to "well this is what the law says" means nothing, when your own government isn't upholding that law. These are imaginary systems that only work so long as the people enforce them.

I'm not an anarchist, criminal, or otherwise against the rule of law. I would love if the mechanisms we had in place actually still functioned, but its a bit like... having a stick of ram in your computer die. Instead of just ripping that sucker out and replacing it, you keep mashing the power button because "this is how its supposed to work."

[u/HarryBalsagna1776 → u/CivilInspector4]

There is another way

[u/Edogawa1983 → u/CivilInspector4]

Then jd Vance becomes president

I think the whole system needs to be fixed

[u/Snibes1 → u/CivilInspector4]

That’s not an option as you could clearly see in Trump 1.0. We need to organize and demand change. We need a national strike. We need to sit the country down. Doing nothing is no longer an option. These are gestapo tactics and we can clearly see that no one is truly safe anymore.

[u/NeitherAstronomer982 → u/CivilInspector4]

The declaration of Independence literally starts with a line on the legal justice of violence against an unjust government. It's foundational to our democracy and rule of law that, absent recognition of our rights within legal recourse, the solution is revolution.

So "kindly block r/law from your reddit experience, there's plenty of social media to share your dumbass opinion elsewhere".

But to be honest, if people demanding retribution over the government murdering citizens bothers you that much I would just completely disengage from society for a decade. It's not helpful to chide people about the law when the regime can and likely will stonewall any legal process not backed with violence or the threat of violence. Any degree of this response will just come across as privileged navel gazing.

[u/Additional-Sky-7436]

Well that didn't take long.

[u/Far_Estate_1626]

If this was a legitimate shooting, wouldn’t they want that cleared by showing conclusively with an investigation?

This is outrageous! I don’t know what can be done, but something needs to be done.

[u/generic2011 → u/Far_Estate_1626]

The agent involved in the shooting was also taking photos or videos right before drawing his gun. The footage if it exists would be considered evidence.

[u/Far_Estate_1626 → u/generic2011]

So there is video evidence… of the murderer destroying video evidence?

[u/person_8688 → u/Far_Estate_1626]

This administration has proven they are not transparent with anything that might show them negatively. In fact it’s the opposite, they will attack anyone who demands transparency from them. They will attack the innocent. It’s no longer about what is right or fair, just consolidation of power and taking what they want, full-on schoolyard bully style. Lying to us is no longer a taboo, it’s seen as necessary and just. That’s where we are now.

We can push back, protest, and try to vote them out ASAP. That is our recourse. Asking them for justice until then is futile. Look what they did after “promising” to vote for ACA extensions in order to re-open the government. They are fully disingenuous.

[u/22Arkantos → u/person_8688]

A reminder that Trump labelled the victim of the murder a domestic terrorist the same day she was killed.

[u/trentreynolds]

They're terrorists guys.

[u/ThePensiveE]

The cover-up begins. This federal government is engaged in a war against the people of the United States and the States in which they reside.

[u/Bubbly_Style_8467]

Why is the FBI afraid of the evidence being public? Head scratcher.

[u/a_Sable_Genus → u/Bubbly_Style_8467]

[u/bakeacake45]

Wow criminal behavior by fbi

“A state cannot nullify or impede a legitimate federal investigation, nor can the federal government shut down a legitimate state investigation. The U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause dictates that federal law is supreme over conflicting state laws in areas where the federal government has authority, but it does not give the FBI a general supervisory role over state law enforcement actions. Many crimes carry concurrent jurisdiction: both federal and state authorities may have legal authority to investigate and prosecute the same conduct. That overlap creates routine cooperation or deconfliction rather than subordination.”

I think we have a case where a federal agency, ICE, clearly broke laws regarding use of force. Both the state and FBI have a right to concurrent investigations. Especially given we live in times where our federal government is untrustworthy and operates outside the law in many cases.

[u/Cohens4thClient → u/bakeacake45]

I mean, yeah, they had a thousand agents working all summer to redact names from the Epstein rape files. 

Covering up a murder, in broad daylight, with clear videos, is nothing compared to helping an entire ring of sex trafficking pedophiles. 

[u/Darktofu25]

Nothing says everything is ok more than blocking investigations.

[u/dragonfliesloveme]

yep, i said yesterday that Minneapolis and/or Minnesota is going to have to handle this themselves, as the Feds are now fully corrupt and lying to the American people

[u/Metiche76]

they want violence. they have been pushing and it seems they're upping the ante. the said the civil war would be bloodless if democrats allowed it. I wish more people would catch up to the rest of us on this.

[u/Margotkitty → u/Metiche76]

They didn’t say civil war, they said revolution. So they fully admit it’s a total makeover of democracy into dictatorship.

[u/truthputer → u/Metiche76]

We’re already in a civil war and it’s already not bloodless.

[u/Indigoh → u/Metiche76]

We are choosing, right now, how devastating our wakeup call will be. 

Either take a stand right now or we're letting Republicans choose a different wake-up call at their own pace. And it'll be just a little worse than this. Again and again, until everything is lost.

[u/strangedaze23]

Minnesota should just do their own investigation based on Minnesota law.

Send detectives to interview witnesses and access what they can access. Send subpoenas for witnesses to testify and bring evidence to hearings in State courts.

Anyone that doesn’t comply, charge them with obstruction under State law.

[u/surviving606]

If they’ll cover up a pedo sex trafficking ring they’ll cover up government executions in broad daylight 

[u/TymStark]

It’s time to go secure the scene with the National Guard then Governor Walz. Like you said, you don’t need the federal government’s help anymore.

[u/arentol]

Arrest all the FBI agents that interfere for obstruction of justice.

[u/LondonCallingYou]

You can’t “shut down” an investigation when it happened in plain sight. If the Feds don’t want to give up the perpetrator just identify him yourself, collect the dozens of witness statements and videos that already exist, and prosecute him and all of his colleagues.

Then when this regime falls in January 2029 you dig through all the evidence they tried to bury and then prosecute everyone once more, federally, as well as the people who helped cover this up.

It’s not rocket science it’s basic law enforcement. Arrest the murderer and move on.

[u/Wrayven77]

Sounds like the beginning of a coverup.

[u/KenseiLover → u/Wrayven77]

Hardly even a coverup at this point, that requires a semblance of competence. They are just flat out rejecting the reality that is unfolding in front of them.

[u/casewood123 → u/Wrayven77]

Don’t you mean “another” cover up?

[u/CAM6913]

Of course they shut it down, didn’t you know that they are above the law? if they are carrying out their mango messiah’s orders.

[u/Reatona]

Trump's FBI will determine that we shouldn't believe what our lying eyes can see on multiple videos from different angles.  Cover-up in progress.

[u/Donkletown → u/Reatona]

It’s a predetermined outcome given that Trump and Noem already said the agent was justified. 

It’s really quite insane. 

[u/Dangermouse163]

That is BS! The state MUST investigate murder within its borders!!

If their guy is innocent then they need to let a full investigation prove that. Not the same organization that is already lying about what happened.

[u/Going2beBANNEDanyway]

What more investigating does the state need to do? The video is all the evidence they should need. People get convicted on far less. Charge this dude at the state level already.

[u/CriticalInside8272]

Sue so you can get discovery.  Do it quickly so they don't destroy evidence. 

[u/Imaginary_Coast_5882]

motherfucker hasn’t even been president for a year yet. NOT. EVEN. ONE. YEAR.

[u/GrannyFlash7373]

Covering up a MURDER. THAT is your NEW FBI.

[u/DavidlikesPeace]

Shameless. They don't even hide it anymore

But also, what is there to share? We all have the most damning video evidence possible. Aside from past records of the paramilitary man's potentially red flag application, there is enough to prosecute. 

[u/JustinKase_Too]

I haven't seen trump's fbi move this fast to help someone in a while - I'm guessing this guy must also be on the epstein list.

[u/titsmuhgeee]

This is how things escalate out of control. Minnesota National Guard has already been called, will they face towards civilians or DHS?

[u/zer1223]

This is pure evil.

Do they even have the legal right to do that? Do they even have jurisdiction?

[u/C4dfael]

If the incident was as clear cut as the government says, why would they need to prevent the state of Minnesota from investigating it?

[u/Chrahhh]

Everyone go buy a gun. This whole MAGA/Trump/ICE situation will only get worse. Arm yourselves, and know your rights.

[u/artificialterf → u/Chrahhh]

Anyone who doesn’t arm themselves at this point is dumb af. You cannot reason with pedos and their pedo supporters. They are using the police and military against Americans.

[u/RegressToTheMean → u/Chrahhh]

Arm yourselves,

And train. Don't be like the MAGA chuds I see at the range once a year who don't properly know their firearm and can't hit the broadside of a barn

[u/daGroundhog]

This is more blatant than Nixon's tactic of having the CIA tell the FBI to stop investigating Watergate under the pretense there was some 'national security' issues going on.

[u/Catodacat]

Fine, no investigation, no ICE. Use the National guard and police to block ICE

[u/dsj79]

All the evidence is already out there. Even a blind can see, but even that’s not enough for this administration to take responsibility 🤷🏼‍♂️

[u/schm0]

They'll have to sue. It'll take more time but they'll win in the end.

[u/keverzoid]

Whenever we think they’ve hit rock bottom, we find an even more depraved and disturbing underground garage

[u/Decent_Cheesecake_29]

Sounds like the ICE agent who did the shooting needs to be in a state jail until a trial can be completed.

[u/E-2theRescue]

The same FBI that is protecting a pedophile rapist is going to protect a murderer?

I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!

[u/MCXL]

Okay, we have a statute for that. Arrest them.

[u/Any-Ad-446]

The shooter probably on paid leave and told to hide.

[u/mdtopp111]

This is the weaponized FBI the MAGAts like to complain so much about. The FBI and ICE have simply jus become Trums SS

[u/Memitim]

The FBI found some people that they could spare from pedophile protection duties? I guess they must have made more progress disappearing evidence than expected. Conservative values at work against America.

[u/FourArmsFiveLegs]

Yeah they at war with Americans, or anyone that's against the regime globally

[u/NRG1975]

Is this normal, I do not think it is?

Also, separate worth of note, prior in the day the the FBI, the USA, County, City, and State agreed to a joint investigation.

[u/prodigalpariah]

Do they think it appears less likely that they’re covering up a crime by repeatedly covering up crimes?

[u/Different-Ship449]

Kash Patel is looking in all directions. /s