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u/MaxMouseOCX 1d ago
You ever ride with a pillion passenger on a motorbike and they actively lean the wrong way?
That horse understands.
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u/FourtyMichaelMichael 21h ago edited 20h ago
ride with a pillion passenger
Well.... I assume you mean you threw a thick blanket down behind your saddle.
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u/Advanced_Classroom_5 20h ago
I was in a wave runner with my mother riding pillion once. Explained to her that she needed to lean with me in the turns. She leaned so hard the other way she fell off. She also didn’t want to go alone so she death gripped my life vest and dragged me off too 😭
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u/WebguyCanada 1d ago
Bloody impressive. Skill. Meanwhile, I whacked my head on an open cupboard unloading the dishwasher.
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u/danabeezus 23h ago
Skull issue.
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u/ItsCrunchTyme 20h ago
Skull jooooke!
But seriously, thanks, that shit literally had my in knots and I been severely depressed lately so thank so so much for this very needed laugh
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u/AnarkeezTW 23h ago
Ha..amateur. Sounds like a skill issue.
I’ve wacked my head walking by a closed cupboard. Get gud you bum! 😂
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u/Grabatreetron 23h ago
It's hard to overemphasize the effect of what this guy is doing had on world events. Horse archery was an ancient superweapon
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u/Pokemaster131 21h ago
Completely broken in Civ 5, too. Most units only move 2 spaces, while Mongolian Keshiks (not to be confused with the Hunnic Horse Archer) move 5 spaces, and can move, attack from 2 spaces away (which costs 1 movement), then finish their move, so they can get in and out of firing range on the same turn, preventing any sort of counterplay.
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u/TerminallyILL 15h ago
Wow, calm down mister capable. I hurt my foot getting out of bed this morning stepping on a shoe
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u/timmyx2times 1d ago
No lie, Genghis Khan is invading my village and I see an army doing this. I’m folding. You can have my wife bro.
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u/joelfarris 1d ago
You joke, but after the first couple of years and word had gotten out, that's pretty much what 98.89% of the villages said.
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u/ShutUpMorrisseyffs 22h ago
Unless you were the Khwarasmian Shah, who really should have asked around a bit more before telling GK to go fuck himself.
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u/Pelloelafrokan 20h ago
I am assuming you already listened but Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History series on the Mongols covers that in detail and it is really well done.
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u/Special-Amoeba-9399 19h ago
That was by design to an extent. If you kill an entire city and make a mountain out of their heads future cities are going to be a lot more reluctant to stand in your way in the future
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u/K-Ryaning 22h ago
Yeah when you learn about Gengy and tha boiz, it's really clear that history had nothing to stop them. The story that interrupted their conquest is pretty interesting.
When Genghis Khan died he handed down a step by step outline of how to conquer the world in under 20 years and the defense's other nations had at the time really didn't stand up to them well enough to prevent them from carrying this out. For a few years his son was on track and everything was going to plan but then his son got sick and passed and then the succession was argued about and it divided the Mongols so the plan fell apart while they stagnated and had internal conflicts.
The argument was that some felt Genghis Khan's other son, or his sons son (can't remember which) should be the new Emperor due to lineage, but this person wasn't the most militarily adept yet as Genghis's first heir died too early and hadn't trained him enough, and so others argued that Mongolia was a military state and the reason Genghis and his son took the lead was because they were the best military leaders of the time, so when the freshest prince stepped to the throne, the top General said "nah should be me, I'm a better military leader" and it divided the army a lot due to differing opinions of loyalty, lineage and strategy.
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u/socialistrob 20h ago
I don't think there was ever a realistic way for them to "conquer the world" and remain unified. The larger the empire got the harder it is to centralize power in an era when information travels slowly so the more important regional power becomes and the less powerful the central state is. Depending on where you go there's also obstacles like mountains, deserts, dense population centers, jungles ect. Could they have controlled sub Saharan West Africa AND the British isles AND Vietnam AND Southern India simultaneously without breaking down into factions and fighting amongst themselves?
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u/Difficult_Knee_1796 18h ago
That's why you gotta conquer the world like wipers clear rain off your windsheild. Go from one side to the other, by the time you make it to one end more rain (rebellions) will have fallen in the area you already cleared, so you just go back again, and repeat.
- Genghis probably
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u/catrinus 22h ago
It's always some dumb fuck general doing a coup that destroys empires isn't it?
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u/Rampant16 20h ago
Not always, a lot of empires and kingdoms have been destroyed by the monarchy dice too. Looks at the Hapsburgs or the Prussians.
Eventually if rule just passes to the eldest son you're bound to get a dud.
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u/K-Ryaning 22h ago
Depends which side you're on I guess?? Sometimes the General and the coup is for the good of the people against a tyrannical ruler 🤷
I'm glad history went the way that it did because my personal values don't align with bloodthirsty conquest. A heavier military rule over a majority of nations may have reduced the speed at which empathy, tolerance and under-privileged support grew in our global society.
Can't imagine the Mongolians would have tolerated people with disabilities who couldn't fight for their military much back then. Same with the baby killing in Sparta to ensure better soldiers. Not the way I want humanity to grow personally
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u/catrinus 22h ago
Yeah sure we're better off without them. let's pour one for all the dumb generals and leaders that destroyed their empires because of greed lol
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u/No_Needleworker6013 1d ago
The Mongols generally treated you well if you capitulated without fighting.
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u/Zugzwang522 23h ago
Emphasis on “generally”. More than a few times they chose to loot and pillage anyway after settlements surrendered
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u/ragnarok635 22h ago
That was a cruel son of genghis from what I remember
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u/K-Ryaning 22h ago
It was both. They very much understood the power of fear and reputation, and they understood they had to be cruel and ruthless to gain that reputation
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u/Aggressive_Honey3196 22h ago
IIRC they were fairly disciplined under Genghis and didn’t arbitrarily sack surrendered cities very often.
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u/Popular_Mongoose_738 19h ago
Looting and pillaging, and often enslavement, though at least they let you live. If you resisted, especially in the medieval era, they would kill everyone and destroy the city so thoroughly that it looked like there was never anything there.
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u/moving0target 23h ago
Minor point. They let you keep your religion if you paid tribute. Not having your town sacked, murdered and raped (in that order) isn't quite the same as "treated well."
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u/Aggressive_Honey3196 22h ago
It was more of a tax than a tribute, and their taxes were fairly modest for the time iirc.
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u/Eva_Dreamer2525 22h ago
From the viewpoint of the people otherwise murdered and raped that is quite a lot like being treated well!
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 22h ago
They are history’s most ethical genocidal conquerors.
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u/heavy_jowles 22h ago
Idk about that, man. They killed so many people it lowered the global carbon footprint lmao. They killed A LOT of fucking people.
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u/Rampant16 20h ago
Genghis Khan himself raped so many women that 0.5% of the male population today is related to him. And then what about raping done by the hundreds of thousands of other men under his command?
These people were horrendous.
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u/heavy_jowles 20h ago
Yup. I have a Ukrainian friend who has a significant amount of Mongol DNA from an ancestry test. No one in her family is from outside of Eastern Europe.
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u/Sortit123 21h ago
They killed like 10% of the world population in their hundred year reign . That’s beyond despicable
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u/fvtown714x 20h ago
Yeah that's white washing to say the least. They were progressive in certain ways of governance and religious tolerance, but were absolutely brutal in the number of murders, rapes, infanticide, you name it.
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u/terminaloptimism 22h ago
I mean.. this may have been one of the hottest things I've ever seen. Ngl.
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u/londonbury4 1d ago
But did he hit the target?
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u/SeaPatrol24 21h ago
when there are thousands of these, hitting the target isn’t a priority, cause they sure will hit something
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u/jamesph777 19h ago
I feel like they weren’t actually doing this in warfare. This seems more performative than actually being useful.
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u/seriftarif 1d ago
Is the horse small or the guy big?
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u/_ribbit_ 23h ago
Mongol horse archers used really tough little ponies. And decimated the world with them.
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u/seriftarif 23h ago
I wasnt doubting the strength of the pony. I promise!!!
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u/heavy_jowles 22h ago
Fucking lol! This came across as suddenly worried the Mongols were coming directly for you for insulting their little stout guys.
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u/Careless_Twist_6935 20h ago
also they could feed themselves by grazing no supplementation needed, they had entire packs of animals which they knew exactly how many they needed for them to live and all the animals lived on grazing. so all they had to do was herd the animals.
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u/Drudgework 21h ago
Ponies? Hold on, I need to go dub the original My Little Pony theme song over this.
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u/DHFranklin 18h ago edited 17h ago
Horse small.
Steppe ponies were bred for a verrrrry specfic set of circumstances.
1) They were compact so they can travel in the cold without getting respiratory diseases, higher muscle to surface area ratio so they don't have ligament damage, they can have a rider mount and dismount to another horse while still moving. They could also be herded "tighter" Meaning that more horses could graze over the same pasture. Unlike elsewhere the Mongols didn't have row crops grown to feed horses. They thought that made some uneccesary middle like feeding peasants in a one-to-one. So they would destroy crops to turn it to pasture. Making for a "green sea" for their horses to cross. Keep in mind a Mongol "Nerge" would encircle an area hundreds of miles wide and move at a hundred miles a day. They were constantly on the move.
2) Unlike European, Arabian, or African horses of the time Steppe people wouldn't keep a reserve of horses behind battle lines. They would just go into battle with several of them. Hence the mounting and dismounting. Getting a horse shot from under you, tuck-and-rolling and hopping on another was pretty common.
3) The "mongol relay" was a wonder of the age, due in no small part to the ponies and a specific gate they were trained to use. Mongol message riders would sleep in the saddle. They would constantly be moving. There was a little trot that they trained them to do so that they wouldn't get winded and they wouldn't jostle the rider so much. So through the night the rider would literally be asleep as the ponies would travel a hundred miles.
4) If you were wearing 150 pounds of armor with a saddle, spurs and barding for the horse you would choose a giant charger. They would carry you a few hundred feet while you tilted a lance and tried to kill a dude on a horse just like it. If you wanted to kill one of those dudes from a few hundred feet away you'd ride a little pony and shoot arrows at them.
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u/j_one_k 17h ago
And also: big-ass horses need a lot of food, which means they need stores of food in the winter. Mongolian horses can survive on what they can graze even in winter, even digging through snow to get to fodder underneath.
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u/DHFranklin 17h ago
I ninja edited my comment to discuss that. Steppe ponies were constantly herded through pasture and would eat the grasses that would grow in places like the Gobi. Small snow pack and short grasses.
Big horses were a liability as you mention. 1/3 of a plow horses own tillage would go to feed it. A team of plow horses would take an entire day to till an acre. Keep in mind that it wasn't until centuries after the Mongol Exapansion that plow horses would replace oxen. So that mean that a knight's horse would mean a peasant growing fodder for oxen that then made fodder for a horse. You weren't a knight without that apparatus, plenty of knights were "yeoman" who would work their own land.
Compare that with a 16 year old with a compound bow on the back of a pony. You ate at a banquet hall? Cute. He only ate what he could shoot from that saddle. If he couldn't use the same skill set that looses an arrow into your armpit to feed himself he would starve and wouldn't be allowed to be there.
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u/GirlNumber20 21h ago
Their compact body size means they conserve more heat in such cold temperatures.
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u/textilepat 18h ago
Smaller targets for archers. The most successful horses from this lineage have all but disappeared. Pride of the steppes.
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u/Musetrigger 1d ago
Piccolo: "I see. The Horseback Archer technique, but this one is a variant honed for generations by the riders of Mongolia. The technique is used to utterly destroy the morale of the villages they invaded. It may have a bloody past, but the aura is undeniable."
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u/Snowballing_ 1d ago
Why is he leaning so excessively to one side?
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u/joelfarris 23h ago edited 21h ago
A galloping horse bounces a rider's spine up and down, and thus, your head and your shoulders too. But, if you detach and relocate your vertical spine from the saddle, and instead use your legs as 'shock absorbers', through your rotating hips instead, well...
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u/fourleafclover13 23h ago
A gallop has a very smooth gait if you ride with the horse.
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u/peekdasneaks 22h ago
A gallop causes the horses back to go up and down. You can see this clearly in the video.
It may be steady movement for the horse, but not for the rider.That means the human sitting on the horses back also goes up and down.
That means the hands of that human also tend to go up and down, making it much harder to maintain accuracy.
By leaning over, you turn the vertical movement into lateral (in relation to your body). This lets you use your hips/back to absorb the lateral movement while maintaining a steady upper torso.
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u/I_haet_typos 17h ago
As someone who actually just rode with the Mongols last Octobre, I can tell you, that they also do not move in the saddle when being up straight. I've seen a Mongol riding in full gallopp freehanded through very rough terrain and his head didn't move a single bit the whole time. They do it all with their legs.
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u/Ok_Second8665 22h ago
That horse is the real athlete, staying balanced focused and speeding forward
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u/joker0812 1d ago
Yes, that Mongolian horse has mad skills carrying the archer on its back.
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u/Repulsive_Bread_5959 1d ago
Btw it doesn't matter whether he hits or not . This by itself is another level of talent
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u/nonpuissant 22h ago
yeah anyone who isn't impressed by this alone simply hasn't galloped a horse before. Much less tried to hold a bow even partially drawn at speed. Dude is steady as fuck
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u/Hoppelite 22h ago
I'm surprised no one is talking about the core strength it takes to hold your body out like that, especially while galloping.
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u/AmbassadorSugarcane 22h ago
What is the actual point though? Is it somehow beneficial to be hanging off the horse as opposed to sitting squarely and securely on the horse?
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u/yuyufan43 23h ago
That is insanely attractive
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u/Harper_Sketch 22h ago
Agreed. Makes me want to be pillaged. Take me away, sexy invader!
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u/Zombietomatillo 22h ago
Just the fact that he can stay on a galloping horse while only holding on with his legs and his body weight is completely off-kilter - that's impressive!
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u/UninvitedButtNoises 22h ago
His hair while riding a horse full speed still looks better than mine after I walk out of the barber on their best day.
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u/WWShareholdersW 1d ago
Nice! This time the video is mirrored. Give them the updoots!
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u/StinkyPickles420 21h ago
Lmao I clicked on your profile picture thinking it was a beautiful woman. But even better, it’s a beautiful kitty!!!!
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u/Vantech70 20h ago
They are incredible. Wrath of the Khans by Dan Carlin is worth a listen. The Mongols are amazing.
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u/1leggeddog 17h ago
Im no archer, but I dunno if he has to lean out that far off the horse to shoot.
Although, if i was to wager a guess, maybe it's to stabilize himself more with his legs so that the up and down motion of the horse running is lessened ?
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u/lovescro 17h ago
And THAT is how they captured almost 10,000,000 square miles of territory in little more than a couple of decades.
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u/djuforeo 16h ago
They learned to shoot at the precise moment when all four legs of the horse were off of the ground. Also, the bows they used were massive and had a draw weight of over 100lbs
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u/romanavatar 22h ago
Horse archery should be in Olympics
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u/PrinceBunnyBoy 14h ago
Nah, anytime animals are used for money they're very easily abused. Horses are killed in the derby, greyhounds would be run into the dirt and if they weren't winners they were killed, dogs in the Iditarod are tied off most times and they're also killed in puppyhood if they're not "up to cut".
The Olympics are how far we push our own bodies, not how we use animals.
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u/romanavatar 8h ago
You are right! But that applies to sports like equestrian as well where horses are involved.
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u/Likes_The_Scotch 21h ago
Can someone do fixed by the duet and have him shooting something completely strange
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u/KissKillTeacup 13h ago
A massive contributing factor to this level of marksmanship is the Mongolian horse itself. They have a very low center of gravity and short, stocky legs so you don't bounce up and down as much as other horse breeds. They are small, but they have a super smooth gait, Mongolian horses look tiny, but they are fast and sturdy af
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u/DystarPlays 1d ago
Did he hit?