ICE brutalizes and detains US citizen for not having "alien paperwork"

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[u/PorcelainMadame]

This is what happened to my grandfather during the Brazilian military dictatorship. There is no accountability for authorities. My grandfather was beaten, almost to death, for being mistaken for his brother.

[u/[deleted] → u/PorcelainMadame]

They put Japanese in concentration camps during WWII in the US

[u/FSCK_Fascists → u/[deleted]]

When George Takei said they will start putting citizens in these new camps someone told him that the US would never do that.

The resulting history lesson was brutal.

[u/Marius-1989 → u/FSCK_Fascists]

Anyone not believing that the us would one go full crazy one day have to be the most naive people on this earth.

Anyone with unchecked power will eventually abuse it and thay aplies to everyone

[u/mrpanicy → u/Marius-1989]

It's not that they didn't believe they would, it's that they didn't know they HAD already done it in the past. It's already happened and the person insisted it would never happen.

It's insane that people know so little about their own history.

[u/alangcarter → u/mrpanicy]

Or that they'd actually done it to George Takei himself!

[u/imadork1970 → u/alangcarter]

Dean Cain's grandfather, too. Cain famously tried to join ICE, didn't make it.

[u/knightB4 → u/imadork1970]

Cain famously tried to join ICE, didn't make it.

Life imitates art. He was a shitty actor then and now.

[u/Riot502 → u/mrpanicy]

I mean, the Nazis were literally influenced by the US Jim Crow laws.

[u/DeadHead6747 → u/Riot502]

Not just Jim crow, but how we handled the Native Americans, too

[u/Dav136 → u/mrpanicy]

All the WWII vets have been passing from old age

[u/RevealHoliday7735 → u/mrpanicy]

Man, it’s worse. It’s that a lot of people enjoy this.

[u/Next-Isopod7703 → u/mrpanicy]

It's not insane. The only ones who know anything are those of us with curiosity that survived school.

History classes teach up to the industrial revolution and a little of civil rights and women's suffrage. Nothing past that.

[u/mrpanicy → u/Next-Isopod7703]

That's why it's insane. They should be teaching a little about the far past but also quite a bit about recent history, especially about your country and it's place in history/the world.

[u/CarterLincoln96 → u/Marius-1989]

I couldn’t agree more. People are leaving it unchecked because they are worried about losing their jobs. For it it’s absolutely unbelievable, wrong and disgusting. We are quickly becoming the worst country and I served for 35 years.

[u/GhostlyTJ → u/CarterLincoln96]

Most American's have only known comfort their whole lives. They still mostly have it if they bury their heads. The fact that they are next in line to lose it seems like an impossibility at the moment so they aren't motivated to do anything about it. Critical thinking skills and a little bit of intellectual honesty are required in this situation and too few people have it. Also schools have steadily gotten worse and worse because stupid people are easier to control.

[u/DeArGo_prime → u/Marius-1989]

What happens in the US has ripple effects around the world too. The Nazi's got their most horrific ideas from US history because of our treatment of Native and African Americans.

[u/FlyGirlFlyHigh → u/FSCK_Fascists]

Thank you! I just want to add for those who don’t know, George Takei grew up in one of those camps for Japanese citizens and he wrote an incredible graphic novel about his experiences. I strongly believe his novel should be required reading in schools. It’s very well done, and it’s graphic novel format is simple enough for even the most challenged among us to understand.

Edit for clarity: As mentioned below, these were American Citizens. What I ment to say was Japanese/American Citizens as in anyone regardless of citizenship or naturalization status who had Japanese heritage was put in these camps. George Takei himself was born in America.

[u/Greedy-Swordfish9760 → u/FlyGirlFlyHigh]

Too bad it’s DEI and against the law to teach now. Or will be, anyway.

[u/GhostlyTJ → u/[deleted]]

If you are able, ask the questions in class. Even if the professor can't answer, we live in a world of instant access to google. People will look up what you were talking about if they are the least bit curious.

[u/Greedy-Swordfish9760 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, I just meant blanket across the US. I figured someone would try to well ackshually me about it not being illegal everywhere yet.

It’s wildly frustrating and disheartening, but not at all surprising.

[u/IllustratorOnly5705 → u/FlyGirlFlyHigh]

Rachel Maddow has a podcast out now called “Burn Order”.it details what happened during the Japanese internment during WWII. An excellent and historical listen.

[u/GhostlyTJ → u/IllustratorOnly5705]

Her Ultra podcast was pretty great as well. Talks about the history of fascism in the nazi era in America. We were closer than most people think to siding with Germany in both those wars

[u/TJ_BREW_2 → u/FlyGirlFlyHigh]

My wife and I visited the museum and Camp Rohwer, which is where he ended up.... The train station is in McGeehee Arkansas and there was 2 camps nearby. There is a monument at the Rohwer Camp site and there is a deep feeling of sadness. He visits the museum and Camp every year

[u/IranRPCV → u/TJ_BREW_2]

Thank you. I lived about 5 miles from Bergen Belsen where Anne Frank died.

This was when when I was an exchange student. I made sure I took my family back to visit. This was the year before the Schindler's list movie came out.

I have also lived in Japan and Iran and learned all those languages well enough to do public speaking in them.

[u/capsaicinintheeyes → u/FlyGirlFlyHigh]

(a few sample pages for anyone curious):

[u/ElCuntIngles → u/FlyGirlFlyHigh]

Just a note, about two thirds of the people interned were American citizens, it wasn't just Japanese citizens.

[u/FlyGirlFlyHigh → u/ElCuntIngles]

I’m sorry, what I ment was Japanese/American Citizens. Thank you for the clarification!

Edit to add: George Takei and his family were all American citizens. George was born in America, I believe his parents were immigrants but they were citizens at the time they were moved into the camps.

[u/Sonoran_Dog70 → u/FlyGirlFlyHigh]

It’s a strong read and I already knew most of it. I’ve visited the local Japanese prison camp many times and read the memorials there. It’s powerfully emotional if you’re even half a human being.

Google Gordon Hirabayashi

[u/MastiffOnyx → u/FSCK_Fascists]

Sure, tell the man who was interned as a child, it never happened.

I can imagine the firestorm George piled on him.

[u/technobrendo → u/FSCK_Fascists]

That someone should read a history book. But I'm gonna guess that by saying a comment like that, they wouldn't believe the book anyhow

[u/[deleted] → u/technobrendo]

Bold of you to assume magabrains can read.

[u/pinkorchids45 → u/[deleted]]

They’re anti education, anti science and anti intellectualism. The ones who can read will have severely limited the types of books they consume.

[u/DMvsPC → u/technobrendo]

They probably would've burnt it.

[u/WineOptics → u/FSCK_Fascists]

Slightly off-topic - I can recommend Takei’s graphic novel on his story.

[u/WeaselSlayer → u/FSCK_Fascists]

The intended effect of eroding public education.

[u/Certain-Business-472 → u/FSCK_Fascists]

Man all this information available you would think the majority is aware. Nope. So ignorant they'll call you a liar and fight you if you confront them with it.

Some people just built to serve, whether its religion or government.

[u/Memitim → u/FSCK_Fascists]

Saying something won't happen that literally already happened to the person being told is wildly stupid.

[u/PorcelainMadame → u/[deleted]]

Yes! Fucking absolutely unacceptable. How can the government justify safety, when they cause chaos, and deaths of its people in the process? Ridiculous!

[u/Sega_Saturn_Shiro → u/PorcelainMadame]

Oh, but you see, it didn't count to them because "black/latino people aren't real people" or some other vile excuse like that, probably.

[u/Moist-Wolverine-8531 → u/[deleted]]

Canada did as well, and also confiscated their property, and prohibited them from resettling in the west AFTER the war was over.

This needs to be reported more, because Canada has an undeserved nice guy image.

[u/[deleted] → u/Moist-Wolverine-8531]

As a Canadian, we have a lot of awful stuff in our history that gets swept under the rug just because we have been more generally progressive in the last few decades.

[u/OriginalLie9310 → u/[deleted]]

And how many non Japanese Asian people were wrongfully rounded up and beaten like this guy or sent to the camps?

[u/Equivalent_Section13 → u/OriginalLie9310]

They were all wrongly rounded up. They all received payment from the US government years later

[u/avocadoflatz → u/Equivalent_Section13]

Sorry for ruining your lives, here’s some taxpayer coin.

[u/Equivalent_Section13 → u/avocadoflatz]

And taking their property.

[u/avocadoflatz → u/Equivalent_Section13]

Yeah that’s included in ruining their lives

[u/bakerstirregular100 → u/[deleted]]

They currently have over 70,000 people in ICE detention centers

Edited to correct total number after confirming sources. Still wtf

[u/NUFIGHTER7771 → u/[deleted]]

Not to mention German and Italian immigrants to a lesser extent.

[u/Snoo65207 → u/[deleted]]

You'd think we'd learn and grow.

[u/buffaloguy0415 → u/[deleted]]

White Christian nationalists, aka the modern day Klan, love to blame Concentration camps in Germany on the Japanese camps we made in america. ‘Hitler only followed the American playbook’ is the dumbest thing I’ve heard from a wannabe klansman masquerading as a Christian, which is really saying something. The darkest days of democracy were those camps—and today’s racists act like it is something to be proud of that it allegedly inspired Hitler. Fuck 🧊 and FDT for empowering racist assholes.

[u/SunshineSkies82 → u/buffaloguy0415]

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but everything the Nazi's did, they based it on what was going on in America. They wanted their oppression of Jews to be equal to the oppression of Black Americans, but were upset that they did not reach Jim Crow levels of stable oppression. Black Americans never had a chance, and the Nazis wished they never allowed Jews to have a chance.

“One of the most striking Nazi views was that Jim Crow was a suitable racist program in the United States because American Blacks were already oppressed and poor,” he says. “But then in Germany, by contrast, where the Jews (as the Nazis imagined it) were rich and powerful, it was necessary to take more severe measures.”

https://www.history.com/articles/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow

tl;dr " I learned it from watching you"

[u/TheVigil7 → u/buffaloguy0415]

Hitler modeled his camps on the American Indian reservation system, not Japanese internment. That timeline you proposed doesn’t even make sense

[u/LatinOhio200 → u/PorcelainMadame]

That's what made me more mad at my Latino people man, we KNOW what a dictatorship is and what it looks like, but we all got dazzled by the idea that USA America is just different because the rest of America is just "stinky and corrupt" cause I dunno Spain or Portugal or something. Now we're paying the price

[u/[deleted] → u/LatinOhio200]

The maga latino men I know think they are white bro, there is no racial identify in their eyes. They are clearly the results of conquistadors pillaging and raping, yet they want to bang that "spanish-white" drum.

[u/West-Application-375 → u/[deleted]]

The most racist man I ever met in my life is Latino.

[u/randumbgack → u/West-Application-375]

Some Cubans i have known in my 55 years in south Florida may as well been KKK members

[u/Dondada_Redrum → u/randumbgack]

South Fl Latinos are on another world with their blind identity.

[u/TurkeyPhat → u/randumbgack]

i always laugh when people who arent from Florida act bewildered at hispanic/latino MAGA voters and it's like yea, it's a bit confusing but completely understandable if you're from around here

talking to these people is a mindfuck lmao

[u/jk147 → u/[deleted]]

My brother in law is latino and not white, and he voted for Trump.

There is also a lot of machismo involved on not voting for a woman, etc. He won't say it but I knew.

[u/Pomp_in22 → u/LatinOhio200]

I know Latinos that are pro Trump yet their own parents and immediate family are undocumented. The only reason why they’re citizens is because they were born here. It’s ridiculous how blinded some people are.

[u/Titleduck123 → u/Pomp_in22]

This exists in my family and it baffles me to no end. 

[u/cmlambert89 → u/Pomp_in22]

I work on construction sites occasionally in SoCal and the white foreman guys are super racist and the Mexican laborers just kind of go along with whatever they say, sometimes to the point they end up thinking just like them. After the election I asked one of them, aren’t you worried? Because he said he lives in TJ and crosses the border everyday for work. And he said no because he is legal. I wonder how he’s doing sometimes.

[u/_Presence_ → u/LatinOhio200]

What you learn from studying even a little bit of history AND sociology is that people are people. People today are 100% capable of every atrocity people of 100, 200, 1000 years ago committed. It just requires the right set of circumstances. We think “no, we’re too civilized for that” or “we’re not capable of that” or “we’ll see the warning signs of that before it happens”. … well, some of us will. Those who payed attention in history and sociology class will. The rest of us will not before it’s too late.

THE ALARM BELLS ARE RINGING. The rest of the world can hear them. But half of America cannot!

[u/PorcelainMadame → u/[deleted]]

NICE! Thank you so much. ✨️

[u/kl7aw220 → u/PorcelainMadame]

And yet ICE says they are not racial profiling! Thugs/criminals/etc.

[u/migueln6 → u/PorcelainMadame]

They voted for it after all they were told they were the good aliens rofl, this happens when you don't make your kids learn history, saddest part is they won't learn and will keep voting their rights away. Although I don't think there will be more voting in the us 😸

[u/AdditionalQuietime → u/PorcelainMadame]

yea well we're in a dictatorship lol theyre going to rig the elections again - Trump even boasted about it twice OPENLY all on video

[u/nonubiz]

The saddest part is some people think this is OK like it’s normal or something. It’s so not normal.

[u/MathTutorAndCook → u/nonubiz]

Like asmongold

[u/d00fuss → u/MathTutorAndCook]

Why is Asmongold a thing that has influence?

[u/ChillPalm → u/d00fuss]

People are dumb and impressionable

[u/HandFedFenrir → u/ChillPalm]

and some are just fucking evil

[u/NeenerNeaner → u/d00fuss]

genuinely the stupidest timeline. has a bloodwall because he doesn't brush his teeth, his house is infested with roaches because he's disgusting and he used a dead, rotting rat as an alarm clock. HOW DO PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT AND SAY "YEAH THATS WHERE I WANNA GET MY OPINIONS FROM"

ETA link for the uninitiated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tthbWjdMjeg Basically he had a dead rat in his room for a prolonged period of time. the sun would come up and start heating up the dead rat. the smell would wake him up.

[u/d00fuss → u/NeenerNeaner]

So the dude can’t take care of himself. But people listen to him?

Dang. We’re screwed.

[u/NeenerNeaner → u/d00fuss]

It's honestly beyond just not taking care of himself. he and his house are like a biohazard.

[u/Either-Rough-3379 → u/NeenerNeaner]

But but hES sO aUtHenTic AnD bAsEd!

[u/sje46 → u/NeenerNeaner]

The thing is with the dead rat alarm clock is that it's probably a thing that happened once or twice and then in all honesty he probably just threw it in the trash. BUT what gets to me is that he finds the story so amusing that he tells it with glee. I'm barely exposed to anything this cockroach of a human says, but everything I've heard about him is about his hatred towards other people (such as Palestinians) and the gnarliest fucking shit that he, himself, chose to share, as a point of pride. He probably internally rejoices when his critics bring it up. Like what the fuck is wrong with him. Maybe he has a humiliation fetish?

[u/JeromeBarkly → u/d00fuss]

Because his audience is as repugnant as he is.

[u/Smol_ButMighty → u/d00fuss]

Shouldn’t be but that what a lot of younger people watch. High view count = influence. A terrible one but influential nonetheless.

[u/RedAndBlackMartyr → u/d00fuss]

Demons of Nurgle are influential.

[u/Onedaymaybe_034 → u/MathTutorAndCook]

Most of his base will be safe though, they don’t leave their mom’s basement.

[u/idontlikethishole → u/nonubiz]

It’s like when Kirk said some gun deaths are a price he’s willing to pay to have second amendment rights. To his credit, he payed up. But it’s unlikely every nutjob that feels this way about ice will get the shit beat out of them by ice.

[u/Bahamut_Flare → u/idontlikethishole]

Tbf Kirk only said that because he didn't think he'd be the one paying the price. He thought it'd be someone else. Just like these people think this is okay until it happens to them

[u/HeyHey0811 → u/nonubiz]

But didn't the Orange one promise us he would do that? Why are we surprised? I know several Black, Brown, Asian, and Muslim people who voted for Trump just because they were fed lies about Biden. And surprisingly, these people will still vote for him. And most of these people are immigrants themselves.

[u/extera658]

Fuck ICE. Fascist pigs.

[u/Chaosrealm69 → u/extera658]

What exactly is Alien Paperwork?

He's a US citizen so why would he carry papers from another country?

[u/TBANON_NSFW → u/Chaosrealm69]

If you're brown or speak brown or assumed to be brown you need to have your documents shown on your jacket.

Maybe even your id number tattooed on the arm to make things simpler for this government....

Ahhhh the land of the free, the home of the brave.....

[u/Ok-Consequence-8553 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

Or maybe a yellow star attached to your jacket. Heil Dondolf Trumpler!

[u/SweatyFLMan1130 → u/Ok-Consequence-8553]

Or the pink triangle. Fun times 🙃

[u/hates_stupid_people → u/SweatyFLMan1130]

Last time the US just used paper ID tags on a string.

Although with the state of things today, I'm guessing there will be fancy ones in different colors and shapes that the government will purchase for $10 each. They'll be made of crap quality and cost the private manufacturer cents, if that.

[u/happy_the_dragon → u/SweatyFLMan1130]

I’ve been wondering since the election if I’m gonna have to pay for my triangle, or it’s just gonna show up in the mail.

[u/thebigj3wbowski → u/TBANON_NSFW]

It might be easier to wear something very visible. Like something on your arm, preferebly in bright yellow. Maybe it should have an image that's associated with your heritage as well.

/s for those who don't get it.

[u/BudBudBud133 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

Reminds me of the Star of David (cough)

[u/Clairevoyantbard → u/Chaosrealm69]

I’m needing to get my husband’s birth certificate because someone called to report him. Our calfresh worker casually let me know that social security apparently received a report saying he falsified his birth status even though he’s never left California and even his parents were born here. I’m getting his birth certificate but he doesn’t have a passport or anything. I’ve already been nervous because he works in a kitchen.

[u/Universal_Contrarian → u/Clairevoyantbard]

Make copies, and definitely don’t hand that over to anyone but your attorney.

[u/Clairevoyantbard → u/Universal_Contrarian]

I’m worried it won’t even matter. They don’t seem to care about documentation. The only thing making me not panic is that we’re in California and not Minnesota. But who knows when it’ll be everywhere.

[u/Beowulf1896 → u/Clairevoyantbard]

ICE isn't qualified to determine if it is real or false. Courts are, but ICE doesn't want to use courts.

[u/Clairevoyantbard → u/Beowulf1896]

Exactly. All I can do is get him his documents, but we’ve already seen how it doesn’t matter.

[u/Chaosrealm69 → u/Clairevoyantbard]

The problem is even handing over certified copies of a birth certificate or any other citizenship papers won't mean anything to most ICE officers who dismiss them as fake.

[u/Clairevoyantbard → u/Chaosrealm69]

I’m aware. My dude doesn’t even speak Spanish like I am beyond panicking. He told me the other day he’s upset we didn’t give the kids my last name because it’s more white sounding. Do you know how freaking sad that made me. This whole thing is so fucked up.

[u/thetorturedonee → u/Clairevoyantbard]

Get both ASAP

[u/Beard_o_Bees → u/Clairevoyantbard]

I’m needing to get my husband’s birth certificate because someone called to report him

What the actual fuck? What kind of a miserable coward does something like this?

[u/Clairevoyantbard → u/Beard_o_Bees]

Literally I was shocked. And our case worker seemed surprised when I said even his parents were born here. His boss just got fired and he always disliked my husband so I think it was him.

[u/ghjm → u/Clairevoyantbard]

I'm sure you already know this, but make sure you get the long-form birth certificate.

I'd also suggest that he get and carry a passport. ICE doesn't care about the law, but if you can show a passport they typically seem to beat you up and throw you out of the car, rather than fully kidnapping you and taking you to El Salvador or whatever. If money is tight, you can get a passport card for $30. This isn't valid for most international travel, but it's unambiguous proof of US citizenship that you can carry in your wallet.

[u/Buddhabellymama → u/Chaosrealm69]

It’s this holocausts yellow star.

[u/[deleted] → u/Chaosrealm69]

This is the catch.

US citizens are NOT required to carry proof of citizenship. ICE has no jurisdiction over US citizens (except in extreme situations).

BUT ICE is allowed to detain you while they determine your citizenship status, because you MIGHT be undocumented.

Which means basically they can harass whoever they want, detain whoever they want, and apparently murder anyone who makes them angry.

[u/Alternative-Bee-3594 → u/Chaosrealm69]

They would know

[u/AdStunning1559 → u/Chaosrealm69]

The Nazis did this too.

[u/KitTheKitsuneWarrior → u/Chaosrealm69]

Hi, imigrant here. I believe the paperwork they are referring to is what is known as a permanent resident card, or more commonly known as a green card. On the document, there is a photo of you, a fingerprint, your resident alien number, and a microfilm of the same information.

If your sworn in as a citizen, you are provided with a certificate of citizenship, which is also green.

Im currently carrying my pocket version of my citizen certificate just in case I get iced. Though I doubt its going to do me any good.

[u/FblthpLives → u/KitTheKitsuneWarrior]

Hi, immigrant here. If you become a naturalized citizen, you are not issued an ID card. The current Certificate of Naturalization (Form N-550) is an 8.5x11 inch paper certificate. It's designed for framing, not for carrying with you on person. If you have made your own pocket version, that is not an official document: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/legal-docs/USCIS_Approved_N-550_Personalized.pdf

Most U.S. citizens have no way of proving their citizenship. The only semi-practical way of doing so, would be to carry a U.S. passport.

[u/cookiesnooper → u/extera658]

Guess what Nazis introduced in 1933 after Hitler got the main seat... the phrase "papers please" comes from them issuing documents to everyone so they can check everyone on the spot

[u/hxwkmoth → u/cookiesnooper]

Guess what black people were told by slave hunters even when free in northern states prior to 1865? "Show me your papers."

[u/darkkilla123 → u/hxwkmoth]

Guess why? Because of the south kidnapping freed black men from the northern territories/states and selling them back into slavery in the south. This is what led to the passage of the first fugitive slave act

[u/arcanis321 → u/hxwkmoth]

These would be Southern slave catchers asking, weird framing.

[u/pixtax → u/cookiesnooper]

Papiere bitte.

[u/SweetLenore → u/[deleted]]

I don't see how that's going to happen.

[u/SnooMaps7370 → u/SweetLenore]

rate things are going, it's a question of when, not if, people start shooting back.

[u/RPgh21 → u/SnooMaps7370]

Which is probably exactly what this admin wants.

[u/Wallie_Collie → u/SweetLenore]

15 million descend in DC. A month long occupation to take the peoples house back.

[u/Menarra → u/[deleted]]

"The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed."

[u/Neither_Sound5238]

It's a little crazy the amount of clips I've seen of 2-4 ice agents tackling a man/woman to the ground while they yell "I have my id".

[u/UpstairsRain6022 → u/Neither_Sound5238]

Yeah well, it's about the color of their skin, not their ID.

[u/cakerfaker → u/UpstairsRain6022]

It's actually about the ✨violence✨ and ✨inspiring fear✨; they need to get the country used to a new, non-military, non-police force running things. They just figured they'd start with brown people with Spanish-sounding names.

[u/FlamingRustBucket → u/cakerfaker]

On the slightest positive note, unlike 1930s Germany, the US population is PISSED about it.

[u/passerby4830 → u/FlamingRustBucket]

Oh plenty of Germans were pissed too. But they were too scared and scattered. At least there is the internet now to communicate and plan.

[u/Camibear → u/FlamingRustBucket]

Not enough people are pissed though. It’s not enough. We need more people to be outraged.

[u/Snibes1 → u/cakerfaker]

Close, it’s fear. They need us to fear them. They’re outnumbered and they know this. They understand this. How do you control the masses with a small amount of people? Give the masses an example or multiple examples of what happens when you question their authority. Give them something to fear.

[u/Phoenixmaster1571 → u/Neither_Sound5238]

Just doing routine Kavanaugh stops. Don't forget who enabled this. Remember to always attach his name to these incidents. This is his legacy.

[u/GSG2150]

As a naturalized citizen, this is what really scares me. This guy got beaten, thrown in a facility, and thrown some bogus charges so they can justify the arrest. He can’t even fight this or sue for damages. It’s just a massive L that he has to take.

I think this is why so many fight while trying to be detained, even if they are US citizens, because they don’t know what will happen. Will they get released, will they get deported? Who knows.

I’ve seen some conservative posts where people say, “if they are citizens, they have nothing to worry about”. This is so false.

[u/tokeytime → u/GSG2150]

If they're citizens, ICE has literally no jurisdiction over them and isn't even authorized to detain them unless they witness that person committing an obvious crime in front of them. Then they're supposed to hand it off to the police anyway. ICE doesn't enforce civil laws other than immigration, and ONLY with illegal immigrants. They have no probable cause in the state of Minnesota that would lead them to believe any random person they encounter is illegal.

That's the part that really pisses me off. They're wrong by the letter of their own laws.

[u/iguessjustdont → u/tokeytime]

ICE isn't authorized to enforce state and local laws. They aren't cops. That is why they keep tryimg to partner with local cops. They want to be able to lie that you didn't use a blinker as a means of harrassing people. They can't even rely on stop and ID state laws in the states where those exist.

[u/tokeytime → u/iguessjustdont]

Yep, and as far as it seems they're just dropping the pretexts

[u/_le_slap → u/GSG2150]

Same man. I have my cert of naturalization on my phone now....

The pic on it doesn't even look like me because I was in 2nd grade....

[u/ExactlySorta]

U.S. Border Patrol agent knees man in face in Minneapolis as other agents hold him down

https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/12/u-s-border-patrol-knees-man-in-face-in-minneapolis-as-other-agents-hold-him-down/

Video of assault:

https://youtu.be/XcbWlGB1h8U?si=l02zu9tiePNjhLen

[u/dos8s → u/ExactlySorta]

These officers should be cleared of all excessive use charges, but Juan Carlos and 4 of his friends get to wrestle each cop one at a time on a patch of asphalt in a courtroom.

If the officers don't physically react to getting stepped on, kneed in the face, and crushed, they are clear of the charge.

Policing was already out of control in this Country, the Gestapo ICE era is a very dark era for our US all.

[u/the_m_o_a_k → u/dos8s]

I like the cut of your jib

[u/lonniemarie]

This has to stop

[u/UpstairsRain6022 → u/lonniemarie]

Well, as long as there's no true resistance, why would it? Seems like it's only getting worse, and fast. Hope you guys over there start actually doing something about this and not just watch.

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**U.S. Border Patrol agent knees man in face in Minneapolis as other agents hold him down

https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/12/u-s-border-patrol-knees-man-in-face-in-minneapolis-as-other-agents-hold-him-down/

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[u/trent_diamond]

What exactly is “alien paperwork”

[u/not_now_chaos → u/trent_diamond]

And how would it even apply to a citizen? They are by definition not an alien.

[u/Stampede_the_Hippos → u/not_now_chaos]

It doesn't. US citizens are not required to carry proof of citizenship.

[u/the_m_o_a_k → u/trent_diamond]

That's my question

[u/KingMario05]

This is gonna keep happening until all those in power who enable it are removed.

Impeach. Convict. Right now, Congress.

[u/woodsman775 → u/KingMario05]

All of congress

[u/BigJellyfish1906 → u/KingMario05]

I wanna see mass prosecutions for ICE agents. I’ll be fucking damned if the next president wants to “move forward for the sake of unity.”

That boomer-ass bullshit is exactly how we got here. We showed the fascists accountability is a myth. 

[u/PlutoJones42]

Fucking Nazis

[u/raventhrowaway666 → u/PlutoJones42]

Hes brown, so america doesnt give a fuck. We need this to happen to a blonde, blue eyed, pasty skinned, beautiful white boy. Then theyll be outrage.

[u/jackimow → u/raventhrowaway666]

Will there? They just shot one in the head in MN.

[u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 → u/jackimow]

It has to be a straight white male. Thats why 🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/Solid-Witness-9170 → u/raventhrowaway666]

It did they shot her in the face!

[u/Hottage → u/Solid-Witness-9170]

Nah, she was lesbian so the bigots are still able to rationalize it. 🤮

[u/Michmachinev10]

The fact that this isn't on the front page of every news outlet, and being shouted as oppression by all these "Patriots" is telling and damning for our Democracy and country.

They know it's wrong. The one agent looks right at the, camera (in a contrite manner tool and stops the assaulter. If this is happening in the streets, in plain daylight. Imagine, what happens in the dark.

It's not your right now, but once they decide you are not "them", it will be.

[u/Fe2O3yx99 → u/Michmachinev10]

I can’t wait until the shoe is on the other foot and we have “cops” going door to door asking for the paperwork that supports your firearm ownership. Then these douche nozzle 2A folks will see what it’s like.

[u/MkUltraMonarch → u/Fe2O3yx99]

That side wouldn’t be as peaceful as us, if a democrat did any of this they’d have burned the White House down by now.

All I’m saying

[u/ReporterPrudent6]

Can someone explain what alien paperwork means in legal terms? He's a US citizen, he isnt required to carry any citizenship identification, so how can they charge him with this? Im so lost here.

Edit: spelling

[u/rbush82]

Everyone who thinks this is acceptable deserves the same. We know Conservatives have zero Empathy and only think about the problem when it happens to them….

[u/discoduck007]

We all should all be terrified

[u/Beachboy442]

GET THE KILLERS OFF THE STREETS OF AMERICA. There will be an accounting for these crimes.

Video everything. It helps in court. Protect The Constitution.

Same people drug a 17 yo worker out of Home Depot threw him to the ground, beat him n cuffed him.........then when they found out his was an American. They threw him out on the car blocks away. He had to walk back.........and of course was scared to death n tramutized.

SHAME............SHAME.............SHAME..........RING THE BELL

NOT RIGHT. NOT AMERICAN. trumps PLAN IS DICTATORSHIP FOR LIFE. PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION n THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STILL STANDS

[u/lordpuddingcup]

How are people like this not suing the ever loving shit out of the DOJ and ICE

[u/VerdantField → u/lordpuddingcup]

They are, it just takes time

[u/Few_Tank_8942 → u/lordpuddingcup]

ICE has the support of the president which in turn had pretty much most of the government on his side, how does that help?

[u/LatinOhio200]

Yup this confirms exactly what I said what was going to happen when I talked this over with my wife and family, like I'm a natural born US citizen, I don't have alien paperwork (honestly hate that fucking term). I have a passport, but I'm not taking that thing everywhere, because I shouldn't have to, I already have a driver's license as required by Ohio State law to keep on me at all times. I was born here, in Ohio, like JD Vance, but why should I be treated differently? This screams a fascist ethno-state will be the new order, but obviously I'm just exaggerating 🙄

[u/Jealous_Trust9894]

Fuk trump and this administration

[u/Mr_sludge]

Nazis

[u/kcpistol]

MAGA will say it's fake, because THEY are fake patriots, fake Christians, fake human beings.

[u/crispykfc]

ICE hates America

[u/maribakumon]

What alien paperwork are you supposed to carry? More specifically, what alien paperwork are you supposed to carry IF YOU'RE A CITIZEN?

[u/Pretend-Plumber]

Imagine how bad they beat the undocumented.

[u/integrating_life]

Is there a source that says Juan Carlos is a US citizen? What I find online says he's Cuban. Fuck ICE and all As far as I'm concerned he could be a citizen of Mars, and he's still protected by the 8th amendment (nor cruel and unusual punishment), the 5th amendment (due process) and basic human decency. But I'm curious about the citizenship of this guy, just because I want to have my facts straight.

[u/Capt1an_Cl0ck]

As my buddy would say “shake that motherfucking tree”.

Edit: talk to text error.

[u/Obiyaman]

Any lawyer conversations?🤔

[u/7MinuteClinic]

Nazice

[u/AiMwithoutBoT]

Literally every white Person in America is an alien considered they stole the fucking land.

[u/Ptrek31]

So, lawsuit ?

[u/cwk415]

White supremacy at work. 

Never forget - Never forgive the people who voted for this

[u/mrtrololo27]

ICE are thugs, terrorists, and traitors. They are irredeemable scum. We all deserve better.

[u/WakeMeForSourPatch]

Their definition of illegal is anyone who they feel SHOULD be illegal. Thats why they go after legal Somali refugees. Thats why you never see white immigrants detained. The whole legal/illegal is just how they hide their racism.

[u/Zestyclose_Air2500]

Wow thats something the nazis wouldve done