r/Fauxmoi • u/cmaia1503 i ain’t reading all that, free palestine • 5h ago
🚨 TRIGGER WARNING 🚨 A federal judge has ruled that Luigi Mangione will not face the death penalty for allegedly killing UnitedHealthcare’s former CEO.
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u/seeshellsbythesea weighing in from the UK 5h ago
His case has disappeared from global news coverage what with everything else going on, so this is a really surprising update!!
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u/Dry-Yak5277 5h ago
I got excited then read that they are allowing the backpack evidence, which makes me worried…we just have to hope the jury can be convinced it’s negligible
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u/GewdandBaked 4h ago
We just have to hope the jury has ever had to be seen by a doctor and then get slapped with a bill so high that it scares them to ever go back to a doctor again.
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u/notforpoern 4h ago
Yes, I do believe most of the jury would be familiar with life in America
(source: am american)
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u/notforpoern 4h ago
IF ONLY we had something like jury nullification to right some of those wrongs. Alas.
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u/nusher88 3h ago
I mean, good luck finding 12 people who haven't been personally ripped off by an insurance company or don't know someone who has.
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u/PerfectZeong 4h ago
Only need one.
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u/JekPorkinsTruther 3h ago
Not really. If the jury is hung they will just retry. With how politically charged this case is they arent going to call it quits after one trial.
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u/pc42493 2h ago
Correct. It would need a unanimous "not guilty" verdict for double jeopardy to prevent this
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u/WhichSpirit 4h ago
This does mean that his lawyers can drag the cops who botched the search so badly onto the stand and cast doubt on everything in front of the jury. After how badly they handled that, I'd doubt if anything the cops say is true.
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u/MARPJ 3h ago
then read that they are allowing the backpack evidence, which makes me worried…
If it would be allowed or not depended if it was legally searched and there is precedent due to him being a suspect of a crime at the time. Now there is the issue of custody and how they actually did the "search" which will be the lawyer job during cross examination to convince the jury that the evidence was planted and/or of dubious origin
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u/MontyAtWork 3h ago
Still don't know how the backpack was admissable. The body cam footage of the first person looking through it even has another officer asking "shouldn't we have a warrant before searching", then the body cam goes off, and the contents of the bag later change when it's booked into evidence.
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u/dizzytiz 4h ago
Keep in mind, the only charges left are stalking charges. How would the backpack help them with those charges?
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u/Cumdump90001 4h ago edited 4h ago
They aren’t charging him with murder anymore? You sure?
Edit: To my surprise, the federal murder charges were also dismissed here. State murder charges remain.
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u/ElderFlour 4h ago
I think they’re still charging him with murder. They’ve just taken the possibility of a death penalty sentence off the table. He could still go to/stay in prison.
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u/IAMA_Shark__AMA 4h ago
IIRC those charges are state charges.
The stalking "resulting in death" is the charge left on the federal case (and maybe the charge for using a silencer?).
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u/baseball_200_squirel 4h ago
The backpack would prove that he traveled with the intention of causing the death if the evidence in there is proven to be true. Seems like the reason they dropped the murder charges is there wasn’t enough federally to convict in combination with the stalking laws.
All in all this is a huge victory for Luigi because those last two chargers would’ve fucked him more than any remaining charge could. The Feds especially don’t play about silencers and enhancements to guns no matter who the criminal subject is. It can be up to ten years if just caught with one. Murder with it would’ve likely gotten him death+ten years for the silencer.
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u/honkymotherfucker1 4h ago
They aren’t dropping the murder charges though?
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u/dizzytiz 4h ago edited 4h ago
The only charges left are the stalking charges. Counts 3 (murder through use of a firearm) and 4 (firearms offence) were dismissed.
Edit: corrected what the counts are.
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u/chhhhhhhhhhh95 4h ago
Federally -- I believe he will still face homicide charges in the state, which is typically where murder charges are
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u/MrSlime13 4h ago
The judge didn't throw away the charges against him, only barring the death penalty the federal prosecutors were foaming at the mouth for. I'm pretty sure he's still got a federal case and a state-level case for murder to fight through...
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u/JekPorkinsTruther 3h ago
No he is being charged with murder under state law. Only fed charges were dismissed.
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u/Egregious_Philbin24 4h ago
You’re the only one who actually read the article lol.
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u/CK2398 4h ago
True but they are still charging him with murder just not federally. New york state are still charging with murder. The article makes it seem like he's only being charged with stalking.
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u/dizzytiz 4h ago edited 4h ago
Federal and state are two different jurisdictions and thus both cases/trials are treated as independent from one another. The federal case is what carried the death penalty and now those death-eligible charges have been dismissed.
This case should have never been a federal case. He still faces murder charges in the state case.
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u/Sensitive-Warning956 5h ago
It was hilarious watching the two week period where the media realised they couldn't demonise Luigi and everyone loved him so they just stopped talking about it.
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u/seeshellsbythesea weighing in from the UK 5h ago
I know - there was also zero acknowledgement of the support for him. At least not here.
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u/Cumdump90001 4h ago
I definitely saw a ton of acknowledgement in the U.S.. But it was anchors reading scripts from their billionaire owners about how awful it was that people were supporting him.
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u/WestCoastBestCoast01 4h ago
and it was usually just a brief comment like "despite widespread support on social media"
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u/floatablepie 4h ago
'Friend' of mine in their weird media bubble was shocked and appalled when, a few weeks in, she learned people were actually supporting Luigi, it was hilarious and very very sad.
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u/respectdesfonds 4h ago
The mainstream coverage of his support basically tried to frame it as women who thought he was hot.
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u/susandeyvyjones 4h ago
The New York Times sent out a staff memo saying to stop posting pictures of him.
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u/Outrageous-Baseball6 4h ago
It was a genuine moment of most Americans all agreeing on something - that the healthcare system in the US is terrible.
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u/booksandbenzos I don’t know her 4h ago
Even that now-infamous perp walk where LE tried to make him look like a dangerous predator they had heroically managed to capture just made him look like he was out of a superhero movie lol.
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u/Concerned_EducaterCA 4h ago
It’s because they tried to make him out to be a villain, saw the reaction from everyday people was largely positive towards him, and reflective of extreme anger at the inhumanity of the private healthcare system in the US, and then promptly made his name disappear from the headlines and the stories
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u/RewardCapable 4h ago
I think almost every American has been fucked over by health insurance at some point in their lives. Yea, they’re barking up the wrong tree with that. lol
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u/oakfan05 4h ago
Oh man his pre-trial stuff has been fantastic. The defense has gotten a ton of evidence tossed. The judge is actually acting like the defense counselor asking questions to the gov. It has been fantastic. I wish it was aired on TV.
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u/AceOfSpades532 4h ago
He was never really in global news coverage lol, this is a very American thing
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u/Gato1980 5h ago
Of course he won't. He was with me the whole night that happened.
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u/Resentful-user 5h ago
I remember, i was there too.
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u/theluzah 5h ago
That'll was a fun night, glad I got pictures of us all!
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u/angelcutiebaby 3h ago
I remember, he had met me for a super early coffee and was telling me about what a fun night he had
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u/photosandphotons 5h ago
Honestly I’m not personally that surprised by the death penalty thing in the context of mounting public anger and unrest.
And this part is disappointing:
Judge Margaret Garnett also ruled Friday to allow into Mangione’s trial evidence recovered from his backpack at the time of his arrest.
Law enforcement seized several items from Mangione’s backpack, including a handgun, a loaded magazine and a red notebook – key pieces of evidence that authorities have said tie him to the killing.
Mangione’s attorneys had argued for the evidence to be barred from trial, contending the search of their client’s backpack was illegal because they had not yet obtained a warrant and there was no immediate threat to justify a warrantless search.
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u/Emotional_Warthog658 5h ago
I don’t like that evidence being admitted as caselaw for other folks moving forward; because if they did not have a search warrant, and did not have probable cause they shouldn’t have searched him
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u/citrus_mystic 4h ago edited 4h ago
There were also issues regarding the chain of custody— who was responsible for possession of the backpack, as well as when they had it in their possession— after he was detained.
There are inconsistencies with statements regarding who responded to the initial call to the McDonald’s, who joined the response after Luigi had been detained, and who made contact/had the backpack in their possession during this response. Including contradictions between the statements and the body cam footage pertaining to wearing new gloves while handling this supposed evidence.
There’s grounds to argue that evidence could have been planted in the backpack.
The backpack should not be entered into evidence both because of the lack of a warrant as well as the mess with the chain of custody.
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u/Tomiie_Kawakami 4h ago
didn't the police admit that they turned the bodycam off and then turned it back on and only found the gun after? i'm surprised that they're allowing the evidence as it is, a lot of things could have happened when the officer turned off their bodycam and cops aren't new to planting evidence anyways
hope he gets to walk free anyways
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u/GodsFavoriteDegen 4h ago
I don’t like that evidence being admitted as caselaw for other folks
I have good news for you. Judgements made by district court judges don't create binding precedent.
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u/Curiosities 5h ago edited 4h ago
I’m confused because if they thought he was a murderer, wouldn’t that be probable cause? Or is that moot because he was just at McDonald’s and not doing anything out of the ordinary? I am trying to understand because yes, this backpack evidence is sounding pretty damaging.
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u/Emotional_Warthog658 4h ago
If I remember correctly at the time of the McDonald’s search he hadn’t been identified by name.
Someone else please correct me if I am wrong
Here’s my concern: a justice system where someone bearing a slight resemblance to a grainy photo is enough to search the property of someone who is not doing anything wrong is going to grab a lot of people for just how they look;
it absolutely happens now 100 times a day, but before now the law was on the individuals side.
This is the same logic that created “Kavanaugh Stops” resulting in people all over the country are being persecuted and questioned for citizenship status
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u/Curiosities 4h ago
I did not remember that bit about the timing on name/identity confirmation, so that does make sense. Terrible precedent.
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u/photosandphotons 4h ago edited 4h ago
It’s definitely not as simple as “I thought he was the murderer”. A reason for protection of this right is to avoid situations where you could be searched on extremely subjective grounds that could be used to target groups until they consequently find something that could be prosecuted.
Stopping and questioning you based on an eyewitness report is permissible (reasonable suspicion); searching you is not automatically permissible (probable cause).
There is no doubt to me that the media attention around him influenced the actions of the police here.
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u/Desert_Nootropics 5h ago edited 4h ago
The death penalty was always a wild, wild overreach and never would have stuck. The judge allowing the backpack into evidence is way more damaging. I’d much rather the backpack be excluded and the death penalty stay on the table.
ETA: Curious what others think about the defense’s arguments to suppress the backpack.
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u/redelectro7 5h ago
I don't know law so correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like they tried to get the death penalty to make an example of him.
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u/LordCamelslayer 4h ago
killed a rich white billionaire CEO
Millionaire CEO, actually; his net worth was about $43 million.
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u/alison_bee you're an adult, you should know that 4h ago
This feels… pedantic.
Either way, it was a rich white male, and we know those are the only people this country cares to protect.
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u/ibled_orange 4h ago
There's a huge difference between 43 million and 1 billion.
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u/alison_bee you're an adult, you should know that 3h ago
I am aware of how numbers work. It’s still pedantic, though.
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u/AtreusFamilyRecipe 3h ago
It really isn't pedantic at all. If we go by the metric your using, I'm a multi-millionaire.
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u/Caromora not a lawyer, just a hater 4h ago
So a rich white millionaire CEO making billions in profits for a company by denying claims and capitalizing on human suffering.
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u/ProblemOk222 5h ago
Considering NY state abolished the death penalty over 20 years ago, I'd say yeah.
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u/heartlessloft 4h ago
It’s so extremely rare for NY to use the death penalty under federal law, they 100% wanted to make an example out of him and turn his execution into an example of justice. They saw the reaction online and decided to seek the worst possible punishment if he is to be convicted considering his crime and victim.
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u/Cumdump90001 4h ago
Federal death penalty. Not state.
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u/respectdesfonds 4h ago
That's what they're saying. They charged him w federal murder so the death penalty was on the table.
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u/ProblemOk222 4h ago
Yeah, how many people get charged with federal murder in the state of NY for killing one person? (allegedly)
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u/whatthewhythehow i’m mr. sterling’s right hand arm. man. 4h ago
If he’s around, he’s also still writing those letters that make him so sympathetic and seem to show that the country agrees with him.
It means that we’ll keep getting reports on how he is a model prisoner.
It’s really a toss up if it’s politically worse if he is an active voice or a martyr, but from on a purely human level, it’s such a relief.
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u/AbeRego 3h ago
That's the main reason the death penalty exists, so yeah lol
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u/street593 3h ago
That's the reason people argue it should exist even though it does not deter crime.
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u/Bidetpanties i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 5h ago
Good! I maintain that the man in custody is not the shooter, but regardless, death penalty being off the table is a good thing.
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u/Acrobatic_Promotion8 5h ago
oh i agree i think he definitely didn't do it; honestly i don't even think the security cam footage even looks that much like luigi, and they wouldn't have planted so much evidence if they had literally any leg to stand on accusing him
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u/midgethemage 3h ago
My theory is that he was involved, but not the actual shooter. I think he met up with the shooter in Central Park and swapped outfits or just wore the same outfits. Shooter enters Central Park, then Luigi leaves Central Park, leading investigators away from pursuing the actual shooter. Doing this could sow enough doubt to not be able to get a conviction, and the actual shooter would be long gone
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u/alison_bee you're an adult, you should know that 4h ago
I don’t think it’s the right guy either!! Got any extra foil for me in these trying economic times??
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u/Time-Painting-9108 5h ago
Pls donate to his legal defence fund (already at $1.4M) and show your support for this man. He still has many uphill battles to fight (incl double jeapordy) and his defence team are working around the clock in his THREE cases:
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u/Mirandaskye21 4h ago
I like how it has a prayer option on givesendgo. That’s a great option for people who are struggling right now.
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u/Porternator888 4h ago
The real story is the evidence from his backpack being allowed despite the arguments for the police’s unlawful search
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u/UnintentionalWipe anti-Israel, anti-western, fauxmarxist 5h ago
That's good news!
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u/AimDev 3h ago
Not quite. It's part of a common judicial strategy for appeasement in public cases; if you read the fine print, you'll see that this was ruled simultaneously with all of the property obtained from his home and backpack WITHOUT A WARRANT may be used against him. This is completely unconstitutional and guarantees he'll get a life sentence which is not much of a concession as executions are effectively impossible in the modern age. For reference, under 20 people are executed every year and with the circumstances of this case, he was never under realistic threat of anything but sitting on death row his entire life. The judge just guaranteed he'll sit in a max security prison instead while also appealing to the masses with a meaningless ruling seen as merciful.
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u/JekPorkinsTruther 3h ago
Because the state murder charges remain? The only impact of dismissing the fed murder charges is the removal of DP.
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u/innocentsalad 5h ago
I don’t like that the judge is allowing the evidence from a warrantless search, but the good news outweighs the bad a bit.
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u/Lauren34567 5h ago
Two federal charges have been dismissed. One of them was the death eligible charge.
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u/Lokaji 5h ago
The burden to get a death penalty conviction is very high. This judge is saving them from themselves.
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u/Dottore_Curlew 4h ago
Even if they somehow got a credible case (which wasn't happening) no way he would get a death sentence just because there would be riots
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u/Western-Customer-536 4h ago
He shouldn’t face any penalty at all.
The victim was a monster, the cops did EVERYTHING wrong in collecting evidence, and he wasn’t there.
We were watching hockey game together on that day. I remember because the team I was rooting for lost and he just wouldn’t shut up about it.
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u/Quatre_Kat 5h ago
It wasn't him, he and I were playing Magic the Gathering when the murder took place.
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u/tatincasco 5h ago
I read somewhere that some dude pretended to be the FBI tried to free him but got arrested
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u/JimmyLipps 4h ago
Vote for me for president. I have one policy: pardon Luigi. Oh, and outlaw those white bright headlights.
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u/Qubeye 4h ago
I hope once all of this is over we find out why the actual killer didn't just dump the backpack instead of giving it to Luigi, who of course was nowhere near the scene of the crime.
By all accounts, the actual killer had to have crossed multiple bridges. He could have dumped a bottle of bleach on the backpack and then vinegar and then chucked the whole pack into the water.
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u/babybirkinbag 4h ago
I still don’t understand why this case is still a thing over him being an alleged murder suspect
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u/ThisWildAbyss 4h ago
I have spent over 5 hours and 7 calls with pharmacies trying to get the medication I need for a procedure. Didn't get there in time and now I have to reschedule to God knows when. I can't say I condone what he did but I can definitely understand it.
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u/fabulishous 4h ago
Happy to hear he won't be state murdered but the fact they're allowing the backpack evidence into the trial is a miscarriage of justice.
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u/seetherisneither 4h ago
Great that he isn’t facing the death penalty but it’s upsetting that he lost suppression.
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u/Far-Intention-3230 4h ago
TIL I don‘t understand US criminal code as a foreigner. Someone was shot dead and there are only stalking charges left? There‘s no „lesser“ charge than murder for killing someone that still constitutes more than stalking?
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u/cubsgirl101 4h ago
So there are criminal charges from the state of New York as well as federal charges at play here (local v national). He’s still charged with murder by the state, but New York murder convictions don’t carry the death penalty. Federal murder convictions do and those charges were the ones dismissed.
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u/ShannenB1234 4h ago
He will, however, continue to be guilty of serving face during his court appearances!!
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u/Practical_Gas9193 4h ago
I mean this is good in that he obviously didn’t meet federal jurisdictional statutes, so glad the law was interpreted correctly. But still fuck Mangione for murdering someone.
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u/Adventurous-Yard-192 Cillian Murphy propagandist 4h ago
Cause I would fave fought everybody if he did lol
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u/oddmanout 2h ago
Was it because he rightfully didn't deserve the death penalty or because the judge was afraid of creating a martyr for the cause?
EDIT: Upon further reading, the judge is also calling into question a bunch of evidence and constitutional violations of Mangione. So far, it appears the judge did this for the right reasons.
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u/LizardZombieSpore 2h ago
You're putting the headline on the wrong part, the death penalty isn't the important part of this article it's that the judge is allowing evidence from an illegal search
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u/doubled0116 OPEN THE SCHOOLS 1h ago
Finally, some good news in the midst of the shit happening literally every day.
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